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Topic: religion versus fiction??
DrRob's photo
Fri 02/12/10 04:54 PM
i just got thru reading the entire chronicles of Narnia
which left me wondering about how closely it parrallels certain religious scriptures.

i came away from the series with a very good feeling,hard to explain.

have you read these,and what was your opinion-s?
thanks in advance.

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Fri 02/12/10 05:00 PM
Edited by Wolf19 on Fri 02/12/10 05:01 PM
just thought they were great books:thumbsup:

and my favorite among them was"the magicians nephew":smile:

lonetar25's photo
Fri 02/12/10 05:13 PM
religion v fiction. hmmmmmm

if i belive strongly enough in the plot

and i convince 100 other people to belive it too... respected people, docters, engineers etc.

then surely any film/book/cartoon can become a religion?

i read a book, it had what I think, were good moral messages. infact i could say that i want to live my life in a new way, purely because of this book and its messages.

the book is called "peter and the wolf" and i am a follower of the teachings in the script.
you may find that you interperate the book differently from me. but it is my opinion that anyone who does not belive that peter and the wolf are the creators of earth and the universe and everything. then they will not be allowed into the members only bar. instead, they will be sent to starbucks.... a non functioning starbucks with no exit.. and poo on the walls... and in all the cups

but to be honest, god wrote the narnia chronicles BEFORE he wrote the bible one.

or was it c.s.lewis

Quietman_2009's photo
Fri 02/12/10 05:16 PM
a REALLY good book that is relevant to this

Lord of Light by Zelazny

based on the Hindu heiarchy

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 02/12/10 06:24 PM

religion v fiction. hmmmmmm

if i belive strongly enough in the plot

and i convince 100 other people to belive it too... respected people, docters, engineers etc.

then surely any film/book/cartoon can become a religion?

i read a book, it had what I think, were good moral messages. infact i could say that i want to live my life in a new way, purely because of this book and its messages.

the book is called "peter and the wolf" and i am a follower of the teachings in the script.
you may find that you interperate the book differently from me. but it is my opinion that anyone who does not belive that peter and the wolf are the creators of earth and the universe and everything. then they will not be allowed into the members only bar. instead, they will be sent to starbucks.... a non functioning starbucks with no exit.. and poo on the walls... and in all the cups

but to be honest, god wrote the narnia chronicles BEFORE he wrote the bible one.

or was it c.s.lewis


Q- "What is the difference between a Trekkie and a Bible fanatic?
Some people memorize the Bible as best as they can.

Some people memorize Star Trek trivia as best as they can.

Both "Bible and Star Trek" were written by man's hand."

(one) A


"Actually Gene Roddenberry was a very spiritual man, so you could argue that Star Trek was just as divinely inspired as the Bible.

To carry on from Babs' wonderful list:

- All but the most delusional of Trekkies know that it is a work of fiction, but don't see it as any less valid for it.

- Trekkies always want to be challenged and learn; Bible thumpers need constant reassurance that their ingrained ideas are "right."

- Trek stories are much more believable.

- Trekkies get to wear way better clothes."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070410203146AA9m2Iz

Aries151's photo
Fri 02/12/10 06:36 PM


- Trek stories are much more believable.



Except when they kept going back in time and met themselves, God I started to really get tired of that.

lonetar25's photo
Fri 02/12/10 06:53 PM
my point is that its all down to perseption.

i think a socioty with basic moral unspoken rules is a good idea for a happy exsistance.

dont kill people, be as helpfull as you can. AND now granny is dead, she isnt rotting in the ground, shes playing tennis with shakespear, in heaven.

all good things to think,feel,do

and different groups may add things to their "rule list".. dont copulate until your married.... get circumsised at 13...

but who deserves/owns the right to bring children into the world and make them belive that they must do these things. sure, they must follow the basic rules, but not the new rules made by people who chose to make rules that are extreme, but not extreme to them.

new rules are to be added by each individual, to suit their choice of lifestyle.

so i belive everyone has their own religion. i dont use cocaine as it doesnt make for a good sane person. i dont not use it cos you said so. its my moral belife and choice.

but "Bob" loves cocaine, and he sais that its the best way to live your life.

thats his rite to choose. as it is mine to choose not to.
but is it his right to bring his children up to think cocaine is a good life choice.

no, he should follow our races basic "rule list" and his child should be educated in all aspects of how to choose their own moral list for life.

all of this is pointless, as our race is soon going to outgrow this planet and we will swarm out to space to bleed everyother planet dry.. or we will die out

the problem is, some people are sooo stupid, they cant acknowledge that its just a book, there is no proof. if you choose to belive it, fine. just dont lose your freaking mind and start beliveing in everything. a man walking on water didnt happen, its just a good story to display a moral. enjoy the story, spend time thinking about its meaning to you. just dont tell me you belive with your highly evolved brain, that a dude called jesus, whos dad is a builder of life, walked on water and healed the blind.
because i will never see you as a sane person again

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 02/12/10 07:49 PM



- Trek stories are much more believable.



Except when they kept going back in time and met themselves, God I started to really get tired of that.


But are you sure?laugh


DrRob's photo
Fri 02/12/10 07:54 PM
hrmmm...

markumX's photo
Sat 02/13/10 02:18 AM
i never saw the Christian connection in the series. Superman's more of a parallel than narnia.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Sat 02/13/10 06:32 AM

It's too bad The Wizard of Oz didn't become a religion...imagine it being okay to run through poppy fields and get wasted...but no they use the "water into wine" thing to justify being dope (alcohol) heads...oops.



Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 02/13/10 06:35 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 02/13/10 06:36 AM
I never really sw the religious coinnection of Narnia either

another good one is Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality series

each book covers a incarnation of Death, Gaia, Time, God, and the Devil

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 02/13/10 09:10 AM

i just got thru reading the entire chronicles of Narnia
which left me wondering about how closely it parrallels certain religious scriptures.

i came away from the series with a very good feeling,hard to explain.

have you read these,and what was your opinion-s?
thanks in advance.


Yes, I see the connection. They're great books.

causality's photo
Sat 02/13/10 10:54 AM
Edited by causality on Sat 02/13/10 10:54 AM
I thought Narnia was known to many as Christian-slanted in both story and meaning. I loved Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality series.

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Sat 02/13/10 10:59 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/13/10 11:00 AM


religion v fiction. hmmmmmm

if i belive strongly enough in the plot

and i convince 100 other people to belive it too... respected people, docters, engineers etc.

then surely any film/book/cartoon can become a religion?

i read a book, it had what I think, were good moral messages. infact i could say that i want to live my life in a new way, purely because of this book and its messages.

the book is called "peter and the wolf" and i am a follower of the teachings in the script.
you may find that you interperate the book differently from me. but it is my opinion that anyone who does not belive that peter and the wolf are the creators of earth and the universe and everything. then they will not be allowed into the members only bar. instead, they will be sent to starbucks.... a non functioning starbucks with no exit.. and poo on the walls... and in all the cups

but to be honest, god wrote the narnia chronicles BEFORE he wrote the bible one.

or was it c.s.lewis


Q- "What is the difference between a Trekkie and a Bible fanatic?
Some people memorize the Bible as best as they can.

Some people memorize Star Trek trivia as best as they can.

Both "Bible and Star Trek" were written by man's hand."

(one) A


"Actually Gene Roddenberry was a very spiritual man, so you could argue that Star Trek was just as divinely inspired as the Bible.

To carry on from Babs' wonderful list:

- All but the most delusional of Trekkies know that it is a work of fiction, but don't see it as any less valid for it.

- Trekkies always want to be challenged and learn; Bible thumpers need constant reassurance that their ingrained ideas are "right."

- Trek stories are much more believable.

- Trekkies get to wear way better clothes."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070410203146AA9m2Iz



one was written as and aknowledged to be a fiction, later acted out by persons we can be pretty sure are just as human as you and I and residing on Earth

The other was written and acknowledged to be historical, lived and documented by real people living during the period.

Seriously though, how do we learn in our formal education, if not by repetition of 'facts' written in books that people agree to? It means one of three things,,

1. All books are fictions that people have agreed upon(except the writer themself who may have personally experienced the 'facts').

2. All books are created from some place of truth, that people can relate to and agree upon.

or

3. Some books, either by knowledge of the author and their intent or by self declaration of the author,, are fictitious. And others ( in absence of verification by author) may be fictitious or factual.

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Sat 02/13/10 01:59 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sat 02/13/10 02:02 PM

i never saw the Christian connection in the series. Superman's more of a parallel than narnia.


Yes it is. how about Smallville? Written by 2 Jewish men.

Clark is from the House of EL.. Which is what G-d is translated from. He is always for whats right nomatter who you are.. He has great Power which he keeps mainly to himself as he knows what kind of folloowing he would have on earth... Always fighting The House of Zod... The House of ZadoK? who knows. But Yahshua did not come as king to overthrow and rule but sent here as a Babe for Human Parents of real Morals to Raise chosen by his father years before.


Yea they are writing a story about Yahshua with a twist..I believe at least...Shalom....Miles


P.s. Can you see the Face in the picture?

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/13/10 02:11 PM
as far as the OP....I would imagine you can find correlations to just about anything you want. From what I have read, Lewis didn't intend to make correlations to a religion in his books. He, also, didn't discourage it if someone wanted to make correlations to whatever they wanted

EquusDancer's photo
Sat 02/13/10 02:14 PM
Yeppers, I see Narnia in relation to the Scottish myth of the Winter Goddess Cailleach. You can interpret it any way you want.

DrRob's photo
Sat 02/13/10 05:42 PM
Edited by DrRob on Sat 02/13/10 05:54 PM
thanks for the comments..not exactly what i expected..especially as its obvious some of the commentors have never read the narnia series..and yet still manage to make a decision/comment based on that..but o well.
sigh.

and so ends my one and only venture into the religion forum.
thanks again.

***************************Afterword************************
Although Lewis did not consider them allegorical, and did not set out to incorporate Christian themes in Wardrobe, he was not hesitant to point them out after the fact. In one of his last letters, written in March 1961, Lewis writes:

Since Narnia is a world of Talking Beasts, I thought He [Christ] would become a Talking Beast there, as He became a man here. I pictured Him becoming a lion there because (a) the lion is supposed to be the king of beasts; (b) Christ is called "The Lion of Judah" in the Bible; (c) I'd been having strange dreams about lions when I began writing the work. The whole series works out like this.
The Magician's Nephew tells the Creation and how evil entered Narnia.
The Lion etc the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
Prince Caspian restoration of the true religion after corruption.
The Horse and His Boy the calling and conversion of a heathen.
The Voyage of the "Dawn Treader" the spiritual life (especially in Reepicheep).
The Silver Chair the continuing war with the powers of darkness
The Last Battle the coming of the Antichrist (the Ape). the end of the world and the Last Judgement.[3]

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Sun 02/14/10 06:06 PM

Yeppers, I see Narnia in relation to the Scottish myth of the Winter Goddess Cailleach. You can interpret it any way you want.


Yeah, I once read an article that questioned whether the books are based on Christianity or Paganism. So many correlations to both.

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