Topic: Satan using music?
CowboyGH's photo
Sun 02/07/10 04:20 PM

Satan gets blamed for everything, rather then people taking responsibility for their own selves.

Personal responsibility never was a big thing for humans, if one looks at our past history.


yes i sorta agree. Devil CAN NOT forcebly make anyone do anything, he can only tempt. So it is still the individual's fault no matter. Although music about immoral actions are good tools for the devil to use to put people into a certain form of mind set.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 02/07/10 04:28 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 02/07/10 04:29 PM

assuming you believe in a devil who is the enemy of man and anything god creates,

wouldnt you expect him to use any form of music or art or anything at all to achieve his purpose of subverting and distorting God's work?


He does, just most people don't see certain things as bad as others or even bad at all. But people don't think all sins are equally wrong except denying the lord but they are. But yes he does use all music, country = alot of drinking and partying ...... Pop = sexually orientated alot of the time........ Rap = drugs, drinking, sexually explicet, and alot of immoral actions..... Rock = drinking partying just in a heavier not so mellow way.

And when you look deep into it all it all is related....... Drinking usually is the reason for alot of premarital sex expecially in the teens. And drinking can also lead to heavier drugs, people like the high of being drunk but want to see if they can find a stronger high so then they start experimenting with drugs. And when people are high they aren't thinking clearly so are prone to have sexual relations with people they don't even know let alone premarital.

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Sun 02/07/10 10:27 PM




I can agree that there are negative lyrics out there in all genre of music, yes even Christian music can be a negative influence on folks.




I know it affects me negatively...have you heard that washed out ripped off crap? Nothing original about it..SSDD.

The only decent Christian band was Kansas but Livgren eventually went over the rainbow...what a waste.


The one " Christian " band I actually like is a metal band called Alter Bridge.

Excellent music and the message isn't so " in your face " as to be obnoxious.


AlterBridge is a Christian band?! Really? Wow! Never really paid attention. LOL! Guess I need to pay attention to lyrics, and not the beat of the music! laugh


LMAO!!! Alter Bridge is just Creed with a much better vocalist.

They may have changed singers, but the message in the lyrics is the same.

Like I said, I like them because their message, while Christian, isn't completely in your face. Case in point...you never really noticed it.

Not to mention, the music just flat out rocks. lol

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Mon 02/08/10 12:14 AM





I can agree that there are negative lyrics out there in all genre of music, yes even Christian music can be a negative influence on folks.




I know it affects me negatively...have you heard that washed out ripped off crap? Nothing original about it..SSDD.

The only decent Christian band was Kansas but Livgren eventually went over the rainbow...what a waste.


The one " Christian " band I actually like is a metal band called Alter Bridge.

Excellent music and the message isn't so " in your face " as to be obnoxious.


AlterBridge is a Christian band?! Really? Wow! Never really paid attention. LOL! Guess I need to pay attention to lyrics, and not the beat of the music! laugh


LMAO!!! Alter Bridge is just Creed with a much better vocalist.

They may have changed singers, but the message in the lyrics is the same.

Like I said, I like them because their message, while Christian, isn't completely in your face. Case in point...you never really noticed it.

Not to mention, the music just flat out rocks. lol


Creed too?! Crap. Next it'll be Breaking Benjamin and Nickelback! LOL!

Seriously, I knew about Creed, and stuck with their Greatest Hits CD, haven't done anything since. But you're right, I've never paid attention to AlterBridge. LOL!

I like the driving beat. Yep, yep!

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Mon 02/08/10 01:54 AM
Edited by Thomas3474 on Mon 02/08/10 01:54 AM
I am glad someone started this post.There is no doubt that Satan speaks through certain types of music.The bible said that Satan was a musician and speaks through his music.Many people do not know there is a type of music called "Black metal".It was started in the late 70's and has evolved into a dark,underground,Satanic movement still alive and well today but mostly unheard of.Bands with names such as Venom,Cradle of filth,and Gorgoroth are the heavy hitters with a large unground following.There are hundreds more bands of a lessor nature such as Marylin manson,Cannibal corpse,Bile,and others but just as destructive as far as spiritual corruption goes.Anyone who thinks this type of music is harmless if dead wrong.Young or old,take a person who is easily influnced and listen to this type of music and you will see a noticeable difference in personality:Lack of respect for life,more aggresion,and a spiral of depression and hopelesnes.That music speaks of death,destruction,violence,and total lack of respect for life and morals.It's not surpising that listening to that type of music would make you a more aggresive and evil type of person.



Much like the rap world the people who listen to this music often take it to the extremes.Murder,hate,beatings,violence,and Chruch burnings have all been directly linked to both the people who are playing music in these bands and the people who listen to them.People who listen to black metal and death metal get a thrill out of watching people die in real life from pro-death websites such as Nothingtoxic and others.Christianity and Christians are looked upon like a disease that must be cured.

I know I am going to get the usual crap from the usual people in here saying I know this guy that listens to that music and he is a harmless,bunny petting,sunday school teacher and "I listen to Venom and I am not like that".But I say to you if that is the case Satan either has not taken a interest in you because you have nothing to offer him,or you are such a week spirited person there is nothing for Satan to gain by corrupting you.The people who get hit the hardest by Satans wrath are probably the back sliding Christians who go to these shows.Satan knows he has a great deal to gain by corrupting and turning the Christians away from God.You will find that many of the people who murdered others because "the music told them to" were usually people who lived in nice houses and had a normal life.The Columbine killers are a prime example and facts show the type of music they listened to had a direct influnce on why they did what they did.You can say what ever you want but I speak as someone who formally in that scene before I turned to Christ.I saw these things first hand.I saw hundreds of bands in a 15 year period sometimes going to shows 3 times a week.I saw many of the death and black metal bands and I can say without any doubt Satan was alive and well in that room.I felt like the people around me was ready to stick a dagger in my back at any moment.Like the whole room would be consumed by fire.

You can call it harmless but I say otherwise.Go to a Cradle of filth show sometime and talk to the people there.See how many of them are pro-life.So how many go to church on Sunday.Ask them how much they respect life and morals.The majority of them are drunk,stoned,and would gladly burn a church down if they could get away with it.These people who support these shows are the scum of the earth.They keep evil alive and are all examples of Satan in flesh.I have no respect for the people who support that type of music and have boycotted the theaters and clubs that allow them to play there.

A taste of the Black metal shows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSUmKubFIUY&feature=channel

MiddleEarthling's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:12 AM


assuming you believe in a devil who is the enemy of man and anything god creates,

wouldnt you expect him to use any form of music or art or anything at all to achieve his purpose of subverting and distorting God's work?


He does, just most people don't see certain things as bad as others or even bad at all. But people don't think all sins are equally wrong except denying the lord but they are. But yes he does use all music, country = alot of drinking and partying ...... Pop = sexually orientated alot of the time........ Rap = drugs, drinking, sexually explicet, and alot of immoral actions..... Rock = drinking partying just in a heavier not so mellow way.

And when you look deep into it all it all is related....... Drinking usually is the reason for alot of premarital sex expecially in the teens. And drinking can also lead to heavier drugs, people like the high of being drunk but want to see if they can find a stronger high so then they start experimenting with drugs. And when people are high they aren't thinking clearly so are prone to have sexual relations with people they don't even know let alone premarital.


Unreal bizarro, I completely agree...teen drinking is epidemic and I have an org addressing the situation. Unfortunately my meetings with the Governor and several reps here in Oklahoma have provided no resolve or even an acknowledgement of the epidemic.

And yes alcohol is the #1 gateway drug to other drugs.

I also met with the GOP senate "morals" leader and tied teen drinking in as a major factor in unwanted pergnancies that can lead to abortions as well at STD's being spread. Presently in the US 1 in 4 teen girls have an STD. He's not interested in helping.

A 2002 CDC report showed that about half of all teen pregnancies alcohol played a part in it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-03-11-std_N.htm

My question to you: Why are the religious leaders not demanding the alcohol industry curb their advertising and mark their products as "drugs"? Also, it's been decades since taxes on alcohol have been raised and here not a dime on tax revenues from sales of this drug goes towards prevention and treatment.









Dict8's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:13 AM
I think Tipper Gore is the Devil. Just sayin'....:tongue:

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:19 AM
I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.


MiddleEarthling's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:25 AM



assuming you believe in a devil who is the enemy of man and anything god creates,

wouldnt you expect him to use any form of music or art or anything at all to achieve his purpose of subverting and distorting God's work?


He does, just most people don't see certain things as bad as others or even bad at all. But people don't think all sins are equally wrong except denying the lord but they are. But yes he does use all music, country = alot of drinking and partying ...... Pop = sexually orientated alot of the time........ Rap = drugs, drinking, sexually explicet, and alot of immoral actions..... Rock = drinking partying just in a heavier not so mellow way.

And when you look deep into it all it all is related....... Drinking usually is the reason for alot of premarital sex expecially in the teens. And drinking can also lead to heavier drugs, people like the high of being drunk but want to see if they can find a stronger high so then they start experimenting with drugs. And when people are high they aren't thinking clearly so are prone to have sexual relations with people they don't even know let alone premarital.


Unreal bizarro, I completely agree...teen drinking is epidemic and I have an org addressing the situation. Unfortunately my meetings with the Governor and several reps here in Oklahoma have provided no resolve or even an acknowledgement of the epidemic.

And yes alcohol is the #1 gateway drug to other drugs.

I also met with the GOP senate "morals" leader and tied teen drinking in as a major factor in unwanted pergnancies that can lead to abortions as well at STD's being spread. Presently in the US 1 in 4 teen girls have an STD. He's not interested in helping.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-03-11-std_N.htm

Another 2002 CDC report (now washed) showed that about half of all teen pregnancies alcohol played a part in it.

My question to you: Why are the religious leaders not demanding the alcohol industry curb their advertising and mark their products as "drugs"? Also, it's been decades since taxes on alcohol have been raised and here not a dime on tax revenues from sales of this drug goes towards prevention and treatment.


CowboyGH's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:55 AM

I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.




God and Satan is just as real as you and I.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:57 AM


I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.




God and Satan is just as real as you and I.


Not.

Dict8's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:57 AM
Ya'll need to get laid, like...real soon! laugh :tongue:

Dict8's photo
Mon 02/08/10 11:59 AM
...and lighten up...Jeezus! :tongue:

no photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:23 PM

I am glad someone started this post.There is no doubt that Satan speaks through certain types of music.The bible said that Satan was a musician and speaks through his music.Many people do not know there is a type of music called "Black metal".It was started in the late 70's and has evolved into a dark,underground,Satanic movement still alive and well today but mostly unheard of.Bands with names such as Venom,Cradle of filth,and Gorgoroth are the heavy hitters with a large unground following.There are hundreds more bands of a lessor nature such as Marylin manson,Cannibal corpse,Bile,and others but just as destructive as far as spiritual corruption goes.Anyone who thinks this type of music is harmless if dead wrong.Young or old,take a person who is easily influnced and listen to this type of music and you will see a noticeable difference in personality:Lack of respect for life,more aggresion,and a spiral of depression and hopelesnes.That music speaks of death,destruction,violence,and total lack of respect for life and morals.It's not surpising that listening to that type of music would make you a more aggresive and evil type of person.



Much like the rap world the people who listen to this music often take it to the extremes.Murder,hate,beatings,violence,and Chruch burnings have all been directly linked to both the people who are playing music in these bands and the people who listen to them.People who listen to black metal and death metal get a thrill out of watching people die in real life from pro-death websites such as Nothingtoxic and others.Christianity and Christians are looked upon like a disease that must be cured.

I know I am going to get the usual crap from the usual people in here saying I know this guy that listens to that music and he is a harmless,bunny petting,sunday school teacher and "I listen to Venom and I am not like that".But I say to you if that is the case Satan either has not taken a interest in you because you have nothing to offer him,or you are such a week spirited person there is nothing for Satan to gain by corrupting you.The people who get hit the hardest by Satans wrath are probably the back sliding Christians who go to these shows.Satan knows he has a great deal to gain by corrupting and turning the Christians away from God.You will find that many of the people who murdered others because "the music told them to" were usually people who lived in nice houses and had a normal life.The Columbine killers are a prime example and facts show the type of music they listened to had a direct influnce on why they did what they did.You can say what ever you want but I speak as someone who formally in that scene before I turned to Christ.I saw these things first hand.I saw hundreds of bands in a 15 year period sometimes going to shows 3 times a week.I saw many of the death and black metal bands and I can say without any doubt Satan was alive and well in that room.I felt like the people around me was ready to stick a dagger in my back at any moment.Like the whole room would be consumed by fire.

You can call it harmless but I say otherwise.Go to a Cradle of filth show sometime and talk to the people there.See how many of them are pro-life.So how many go to church on Sunday.Ask them how much they respect life and morals.The majority of them are drunk,stoned,and would gladly burn a church down if they could get away with it.These people who support these shows are the scum of the earth.They keep evil alive and are all examples of Satan in flesh.I have no respect for the people who support that type of music and have boycotted the theaters and clubs that allow them to play there.

A taste of the Black metal shows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSUmKubFIUY&feature=channel


I can't believe I'm being so anal,so please excuse me. Black metal as we know it orginated in the lates 80s /early 90s and bands like Cannibal Corpse are Death metal, not black metal...

phew! had to get that our of my system...now to actually be serious...

I like what you said though I don't quite agree. I particularly don't like the way you throw people in to one bowl.
Based on your statements I get a thrill out of watching people die on some strange website I'd never even heard of. I don't deny that there are many bands that have a vile message (and I make apoint of avoiding them). I am also very aware of many bands that don't take themselves seriously and/or use lyrics as a way of getting a reaction out of an often placid population.

I think that you've made a good point by mentioning that lots of other musical genres have questionable content, but I none the less urge you to not judge people based on music. Everyone is very different.

I have over the years been to shows where people have been drunk though not stoned. Stoned and fast paced music don't mix well. :wink: I've been to shows where this has not been the case.

I guess I'm just saying that everyone functions differently. Personally I fin music with shallow, fluffy content agitates me much more than music that gets to the point (be it about social issues, zombies, fantasy whatever) and has a good heavy riff to it. It's a matter of taste and (with the exception of blatantly and seriously satanic bands) doesn't make someone more or less of a believer. It doesn't draw them away from God just because it sounds rough/different.

There is a large Christian community in the Metal music scene.Just open your eyes and try not to make assumptions. Most people are willing to at least listen to what you have to say (even if they don't believe/agree if you treat them with respect rather than approaching them with the "Me Christian! You dumb Satanist" attitude. Try it, you may be pleasantly surprised flowerforyou

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Mon 02/08/10 06:15 PM
I remember listening to Ozzy in the early 80's and being criticized for it cuz' he was "evil", right? But ever read the lyrics on the Blizzard Of Ozz album? They're downright POSITIVE. ...and I was in Walgreens pickin' up a prescription the other day...and it was playin on the PA...and famililies were shopping with their kids skipping around in the aisles...:tongue:

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Mon 02/08/10 07:39 PM



I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.




God and Satan is just as real as you and I.


Not.


what's not about that? you meen to tell me i've been lied to and you're not real?

no photo
Tue 02/09/10 07:57 PM




I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.




God and Satan is just as real as you and I.


Not.


what's not about that? you meen to tell me i've been lied to and you're not real?


YES COWBOY!!!

If you honest to goodness confuse the 'existence in faith' of your god and your satan, with the 'manifest existence' of human beings in your life, ... YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TOO BIG TIME!!!

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Tue 02/09/10 08:03 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Tue 02/09/10 08:03 PM


I guess god is the devil too since he supposedly uses music and all that for his word to everyone too.

How about music represents the many facets of humans from the negative nature to the positive and everything inbetween.

Since there is no god and devil to be skerred of. We need to point our attention where it should be on people and why they do what they do under the influence of themselves and other humans.




God and Satan is just as real as you and I.


I'm not even sure I am real. how do I know about you?



by the way, here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpNoniDH6IY

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Tue 02/09/10 09:38 PM
Satan does not have to do much.. e are already screwed up as it is Shalom..Mileshappy

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Tue 02/09/10 10:03 PM

I remember listening to Ozzy in the early 80's and being criticized for it cuz' he was "evil", right? But ever read the lyrics on the Blizzard Of Ozz album? They're downright POSITIVE. ...and I was in Walgreens pickin' up a prescription the other day...and it was playin on the PA...and famililies were shopping with their kids skipping around in the aisles...:tongue:


OMG!!! I was a metalhead....still am actually...and I took a LOT of crap for listening to Ozzy and Dio and a bunch of other bands.

Especially when Ozzy released The Ultimate Sin album.

Just the title made the pastor at the church go apoplectic.

Even though the title song was about the fact that Ozzy considered nuclear weapons to be the " ultimate sin ".

* shakes head *