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Tue 02/02/10 06:29 PM



Obama's One-Dollar Promise to Women

Tuesday 02 February 2010

by: Dick Meister, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis

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(Photo: Sarah Elizabeth Foster)

One of the most important promises made by President Obama in his State of the Union address has been largely overlooked: his promise to crack down on violations of equal pay laws, so that women get equal pay for an equal day's work.

The need for that is great. Despite the 47-year-old law that promises women equal pay, their earnings remain well below men's pay. They average only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men, even though their work is obviously every bit as valuable to employers and society at large as the work of men.

The pay discrepancy is even greater for women of color. African-American women earn 63 cents and Latinas 52 cents for every dollar earned by men.

It's estimated that if women were granted equal pay, they could earn as much as $2 million more over the whole of their working lives. It's also estimated that if women were paid equally, the number of families living in poverty could be reduced by as much as half. Women's earnings are needed by most families, and in many cases, women are their family's only breadwinner.

Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.

President Obama already has signed a bill that should help narrow the male-female pay gap. It was, in fact, the very first bill he signed after taking office, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act. It's named for a retired tire plant supervisor in Alabama, who discovered, after nearly 20 years on the job, that she was being paid less than male supervisors.

Ms. Ledbetter sued for discrimination under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the law requires workers to sue no later than 180 days after their discriminatory pay rate was set, even if, like Ms. Ledbetter, they don't discover the pay discrimination until years later. As the result of the decision, hundreds of pay discrimination cases were thrown out of court. Shortly after the Supreme Court acted, the House passed a bill that would have overturned the court's outrageous decision. But Senate Republicans, claiming the bill would lead to a flood of unfounded suits against employers, blocked a vote, and President Bush vowed to veto the bill if it ever crossed his desk.

The bill that finally reached Obama's desk for signing provides that the 180-day time limit for filing lawsuits under the Civil Rights Act doesn't begin to run until the last discriminatory act by an employer.

What's most needed now is enactment of the Paycheck Fairness Act that's been pending for a dozen years. The bill made it through the House last year, but was blocked by Senate Republicans. Obama, who voted for the bill as a senator, is certain to sign the new bill if it's not kept from him by a Republican filibuster in the Senate.

The Fairness Act would close loopholes in the 1963 Equal Pay Act that have made it relatively easy for employers to pay women less than their male co-workers holding the same jobs. The law would empower women to negotiate with employers for equal pay; prohibit retaliation against workers who share salary information with co-workers; strengthen government outreach, education and enforcement; and generally make the law much stronger.

There's no doubting President Obama's firm support for the act. As he said, "We won't truly have an economy that puts the needs of the middle class first until we ensure that when it comes to pay and benefits at work, women are treated like the equal partners they are."

http://www.truthout.org/obamas-one-dollar-promise-women56597

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cashu's photo
Tue 02/02/10 07:01 PM
Well, if he does that it well embarrass him because maids work harder than politicals do . So I guess we well have to pay the maid a quarter of a million a year from this day forwards .
Well, I for one the minute he does that I want an indoor air conditioned office job .. I'll do everything except the blow jobs .or back up to cells .

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Tue 02/02/10 08:16 PM




Obama's One-Dollar Promise to Women

Tuesday 02 February 2010

by: Dick Meister, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis

photo
(Photo: Sarah Elizabeth Foster)

One of the most important promises made by President Obama in his State of the Union address has been largely overlooked: his promise to crack down on violations of equal pay laws, so that women get equal pay for an equal day's work.

The need for that is great. Despite the 47-year-old law that promises women equal pay, their earnings remain well below men's pay. They average only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men, even though their work is obviously every bit as valuable to employers and society at large as the work of men.

The pay discrepancy is even greater for women of color. African-American women earn 63 cents and Latinas 52 cents for every dollar earned by men.

It's estimated that if women were granted equal pay, they could earn as much as $2 million more over the whole of their working lives. It's also estimated that if women were paid equally, the number of families living in poverty could be reduced by as much as half. Women's earnings are needed by most families, and in many cases, women are their family's only breadwinner.

Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.

President Obama already has signed a bill that should help narrow the male-female pay gap. It was, in fact, the very first bill he signed after taking office, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act. It's named for a retired tire plant supervisor in Alabama, who discovered, after nearly 20 years on the job, that she was being paid less than male supervisors.

Ms. Ledbetter sued for discrimination under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the law requires workers to sue no later than 180 days after their discriminatory pay rate was set, even if, like Ms. Ledbetter, they don't discover the pay discrimination until years later. As the result of the decision, hundreds of pay discrimination cases were thrown out of court. Shortly after the Supreme Court acted, the House passed a bill that would have overturned the court's outrageous decision. But Senate Republicans, claiming the bill would lead to a flood of unfounded suits against employers, blocked a vote, and President Bush vowed to veto the bill if it ever crossed his desk.

The bill that finally reached Obama's desk for signing provides that the 180-day time limit for filing lawsuits under the Civil Rights Act doesn't begin to run until the last discriminatory act by an employer.

What's most needed now is enactment of the Paycheck Fairness Act that's been pending for a dozen years. The bill made it through the House last year, but was blocked by Senate Republicans. Obama, who voted for the bill as a senator, is certain to sign the new bill if it's not kept from him by a Republican filibuster in the Senate.

The Fairness Act would close loopholes in the 1963 Equal Pay Act that have made it relatively easy for employers to pay women less than their male co-workers holding the same jobs. The law would empower women to negotiate with employers for equal pay; prohibit retaliation against workers who share salary information with co-workers; strengthen government outreach, education and enforcement; and generally make the law much stronger.

There's no doubting President Obama's firm support for the act. As he said, "We won't truly have an economy that puts the needs of the middle class first until we ensure that when it comes to pay and benefits at work, women are treated like the equal partners they are."

http://www.truthout.org/obamas-one-dollar-promise-women56597

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YAY...

Quietman_2009's photo
Tue 02/02/10 08:24 PM
how many male chauvenist pigs does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Quietman_2009's photo
Tue 02/02/10 08:25 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Tue 02/02/10 08:25 PM
none


wimmin can cook in the dark

TJN's photo
Tue 02/02/10 08:32 PM
Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.



I don't know about physicians, surgeons, professors, and lawyers. But aren't nurses and school teachers under union contracts? So I would think their pay is equal to men in the same field.

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Wed 02/03/10 01:53 PM

Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.



I don't know about physicians, surgeons, professors, and lawyers. But aren't nurses and school teachers under union contracts? So I would think their pay is equal to men in the same field.



Yeah, I wonder where the writer pulled that stat from.

I can only speak from experience. It would be impossible to pay men and women differently, if the wage is determined by the union.

However, a starting wage can be negotiated, individually, like any profession. If a man or woman negotiates a better STARTING wage for themselves, that does not mean the employer is obligated to offer the next person a comparable wage, male or female.

Future wage increases, set by the union, would be equal, across the board.

I have experienced both sides to this.



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Wed 02/03/10 02:18 PM


Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.



I don't know about physicians, surgeons, professors, and lawyers. But aren't nurses and school teachers under union contracts? So I would think their pay is equal to men in the same field.



Yeah, I wonder where the writer pulled that stat from.

I can only speak from experience. It would be impossible to pay men and women differently, if the wage is determined by the union.

However, a starting wage can be negotiated, individually, like any profession. If a man or woman negotiates a better STARTING wage for themselves, that does not mean the employer is obligated to offer the next person a comparable wage, male or female.

Future wage increases, set by the union, would be equal, across the board.

I have experienced both sides to this.





As far as my research goes, being that I am getting my degree in education. Teachers are paid on a GRADE , each grade having a range that exists before the next GRADE. This means there is a minimum and a maximum and not a blanket EQUAL pay.

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Wed 02/03/10 04:59 PM



Even women doing the same work as men, or work that's as valuable to employers as that of their male counterparts, almost always are paid less. It's as bad for women in the professions as for others. For instance, female nurses, physicians, surgeons, professors, schoolteachers and lawyers earn as much as 30 percent less than men in their fields.



I don't know about physicians, surgeons, professors, and lawyers. But aren't nurses and school teachers under union contracts? So I would think their pay is equal to men in the same field.



Yeah, I wonder where the writer pulled that stat from.

I can only speak from experience. It would be impossible to pay men and women differently, if the wage is determined by the union.

However, a starting wage can be negotiated, individually, like any profession. If a man or woman negotiates a better STARTING wage for themselves, that does not mean the employer is obligated to offer the next person a comparable wage, male or female.

Future wage increases, set by the union, would be equal, across the board.

I have experienced both sides to this.





As far as my research goes, being that I am getting my degree in education. Teachers are paid on a GRADE , each grade having a range that exists before the next GRADE. This means there is a minimum and a maximum and not a blanket EQUAL pay.

So what is thae stwrting pay? is it the same and then increases over a certain period of time?

In the NALC we call them steps. So yes someone will be making more than others but it's because of the time they have been working. There are women making more than me in my PO. Is that fair?

Dragoness's photo
Wed 02/03/10 05:13 PM
Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.

TJN's photo
Wed 02/03/10 05:28 PM

Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.


Ok so why don't thes women sue the companies if they can prove it?

If two people are going for the same position, Say the starting salary is 50,000/neg for the job. They both get hired one negotiated to make 60,000 the other 55,000 is that fair?

InvictusV's photo
Wed 02/03/10 05:37 PM

Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.


LOL... this sounds so familiar..

Dragoness's photo
Wed 02/03/10 05:42 PM


Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.


Ok so why don't thes women sue the companies if they can prove it?

If two people are going for the same position, Say the starting salary is 50,000/neg for the job. They both get hired one negotiated to make 60,000 the other 55,000 is that fair?


Negotiating is irrelevant.

With the same education and experience the statistics show women are making less when getting hired.

So the negotiating is already in the tally of the stats. You can bet women are negotiating too.

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Wed 02/03/10 06:21 PM



Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.


Ok so why don't thes women sue the companies if they can prove it?

If two people are going for the same position, Say the starting salary is 50,000/neg for the job. They both get hired one negotiated to make 60,000 the other 55,000 is that fair?


Negotiating is irrelevant.

With the same education and experience the statistics show women are making less when getting hired.

So the negotiating is already in the tally of the stats. You can bet women are negotiating too.


How is it irrelevant if salaries are negotiable?
Couldn't it be that women aren't negotiating for as high a starting salary then men are?

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Fri 02/05/10 08:12 AM
I am all for women's rights and love to beat up on men when the opportunity arises, however, when hired (men/women) they are asked and offered a starting salary. Those that accept it, great, those that negotiate better pay, great.

Why should (men/women alike) not know their own worth and because another is making more money than they are expect to be paid the same???

JMO

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Fri 02/05/10 08:17 AM

I am all for women's rights and love to beat up on men when the opportunity arises, however, when hired (men/women) they are asked and offered a starting salary. Those that accept it, great, those that negotiate better pay, great.

Why should (men/women alike) not know their own worth and because another is making more money than they are expect to be paid the same???

JMO



True.

As I stated above. I've experienced both sides to this. Negotiated a starting wage and learned later I got screwed, compared to other employees (ALL women).

Let's just say, the next time I negotiated a starting wage, I had learned my lesson.

That is life. I didn't piss and moan about my situation, the first time. I did something about it. (left the company)

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Fri 02/05/10 08:20 AM




Obviously people are not getting the problem here.

Women are getting hired at less pay then men who have the same education and experience. With all being equal they are not making as much.

So steps and raises aren't relevant.


Ok so why don't thes women sue the companies if they can prove it?

If two people are going for the same position, Say the starting salary is 50,000/neg for the job. They both get hired one negotiated to make 60,000 the other 55,000 is that fair?


Negotiating is irrelevant.

With the same education and experience the statistics show women are making less when getting hired.

So the negotiating is already in the tally of the stats. You can bet women are negotiating too.


How is it irrelevant if salaries are negotiable?
Couldn't it be that women aren't negotiating for as high a starting salary then men are?


Its possible, anything is. Seems more likely to me though, that most educated women know as well as an educated man how to negotiate, but just are simply not OFFERED as much as the men in the same position. With economy being what it has for so long, I doubt good jobs are being passed over in hopes that another one is waiting around the corner so most people are taking what they are offered (within reason) with hopes of positive reviews and raises in the future.

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Fri 02/05/10 08:23 AM


I am all for women's rights and love to beat up on men when the opportunity arises, however, when hired (men/women) they are asked and offered a starting salary. Those that accept it, great, those that negotiate better pay, great.

Why should (men/women alike) not know their own worth and because another is making more money than they are expect to be paid the same???

JMO



True.

As I stated above. I've experienced both sides to this. Negotiated a starting wage and learned later I got screwed, compared to other employees (ALL women).

Let's just say, the next time I negotiated a starting wage, I had learned my lesson.

That is life. I didn't piss and moan about my situation, the first time. I did something about it. (left the company)


I'm with you, we all want a bargain, employers and consumers a like. We want the best for the least amount of money possible. Treat job interviews the same. Take a stand, know what you are willing to work for, and take responsibility that you and you alone accepted that position for that wage. Don't sit there and expect to make more because someone else is making more. (just saying)

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Fri 02/05/10 12:16 PM
What I have seen over the years that this discussion has been going on its all jobs that they are talking about . They say that a general office worker is equal to a union plumber and should have the same pay . Because they say the 2 jobs require the same amount of skill . I don't know about that . But if that becomes law then I well move in doors and keep my union dues and enjoy the clean conditions , the climate controlled conditions . the coffee machines . And I can go on and on like this . I wouldn't have to carry heavy loads . Nothing heavier than a piece of paper please .
OK you convinced me . But like I said already . Obama is the one that's going to be mad . Because the truth is I haven't known any women who can't do his job better .

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Fri 02/05/10 12:26 PM
There is a code of practice on equal pay that employers are expected to follow , which they have access to in order to aid them. My understanding is that those who can be shown to NOT be administering equal pay under those codes, are then in violation and appropriate legal measures may be taken. Many employers dont bother to concern themself with the codes though and just pay whatever they can get away with,,which is pretty ethically abhorrent in my opinion.

I might find a babysitter who would be willing to watch three kids for 3 or 4 dollars and hour,,but my ethics would never allow me to rip someone off that way just because they may be ignorant of their real value.

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