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Sun 01/17/10 01:11 PM
You also did not use quotation marks...I think it's obvious the dishonesty here.


Dude. Seriously.

For one thing, mistakes happen. When it was pointed out that she used something from a website, she immediately admitted to having done a copy and paste.

There was no intention as " dishonesty " because she didn't claim the remarks to be her own.

There is no reason to continue berating her for something she has already admitted was a mistake on her part.

You really need to back off.


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Sun 01/17/10 01:13 PM






Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that.

Even a child could understand this one.....





actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding



Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation.

Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years.

Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies.




In case anyone would like to reference the material the previous poster stole from it's at:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/14/unions-exemption/



thank you, although I was copying and pasting and not stealing, I neglected to post the link


You also did not use quotation marks...I think it's obvious the dishonesty here.

To keep on topic, Bill pays dues to have represntations to protect him and act in his best interest. I still think this is an acceptable compromise. Bill pays his dues.


How is that Johnny's fault? No, this is no way a compromise....it is a giveaway to unions at the expense of non union workers.

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Sun 01/17/10 01:14 PM

You also did not use quotation marks...I think it's obvious the dishonesty here.


Dude. Seriously.

For one thing, mistakes happen. When it was pointed out that she used something from a website, she immediately admitted to having done a copy and paste.

There was no intention as " dishonesty " because she didn't claim the remarks to be her own.

There is no reason to continue berating her for something she has already admitted was a mistake on her part.

You really need to back off.




flowerforyou :banana:

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Sun 01/17/10 01:20 PM
Just for the record....I am a Union member.

Our contract does not provide for Health Care. The company is only required to " offer " it with no payment toward it made by them.

There are 16 people, out of several hundred, that are exceptions because the company does pay half of their health care plan.

Other than that, they aren't even required to shop for the best deal to offer the rest of us.

The last time I got the paperwork for the " offer " the cost was 600+ a month for a single person.

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