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Topic: Why are we helping Israel?
CatsLoveMe's photo
Mon 01/04/10 05:13 PM
Can anyone answer this? A new topic, and I question I've always wondered about. What does the U.S. really have to gain, militarily, economically, politically? It is staggering, the amount of money, taxpayer money, that the U.S. has been doling out in foreign aid to this little country. Read this link:

http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

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Mon 01/04/10 05:23 PM
The US helps Israel because the Jewish lobby, the neo cons, the Zionists have too much political, economical and media powers .

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Mon 01/04/10 05:29 PM
It could have something to do with the Jews who own most of our: banks, publishing houses, news media, movie studios, record companies, oil companies, manufacturing plants, ore deposits, etc. It may also have to do with: America claiming to be a Christian nation, Christ being King of Israel, and all non-Christians coming together to attack Israel in the last days.

Revelation,and other scriptures, make it clear that if you are Christian you are a spiritual Jew, and a supporter of Israel, and if you oppose Israel, you are aligned with the Anti-Christ, and are an enemy of Christ. Would you rather we send foreign aid to the Islamic nations which launch terror attacks against us? Israel stands up to the terrorists better than we do. They deserve some help for that. If Israel were no longer there, the terrorists would be on us full time. Even if Israel never existed, the Muslim extremists want to get Amereica's wealth,and to pay it back for the Catholic Crusades England, and Italy, launched millenia ago. America is largely Catholic, so hurting America hurts Catholicism. Islamic terrorists are out to harm America no matter what we do, or don't do, in regard to Israel. By helping Israel fight Islamic terror, we help ourselves.

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 01/04/10 05:30 PM
because we hate Palestinians?

RKISIT's photo
Mon 01/04/10 05:38 PM
we like israel so much we pay egypt not to attack them

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 01/04/10 05:45 PM
Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 01/04/10 06:34 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Mon 01/04/10 06:47 PM

Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.


ummmmmm...

no

the Jewish migration to Palestine began around the time of the French Revolution

by world war 1 the British were main champion of Israel/Palestine. The Israeli fought with the British against the Ottomans


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration 1917

in 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine and give half to the jews and half to the palestinians

the palestinians and the arab states refused that partition and the Arab ambassador to the UN said

We are now at war, a war in which no quarter will be asked and none will be given. It will be a battle of life and death and woe to the vanquished.
-Dr Izzat Tannous

the English then withdrew from the country and Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and Iraq all attacked the Jews and all were beaten

after that until 1967 France was the main defender and supplier of Israel. After Israel gave the Suez Canal back to Egypt, France withdrew their support and the US picked it up to defend against Soviet influence in the country

cashu's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:10 PM

It could have something to do with the Jews who own most of our: banks, publishing houses, news media, movie studios, record companies, oil companies, manufacturing plants, ore deposits, etc. It may also have to do with: America claiming to be a Christian nation, Christ being King of Israel, and all non-Christians coming together to attack Israel in the last days.

Revelation,and other scriptures, make it clear that if you are Christian you are a spiritual Jew, and a supporter of Israel, and if you oppose Israel, you are aligned with the Anti-Christ, and are an enemy of Christ. Would you rather we send foreign aid to the Islamic nations which launch terror attacks against us? Israel stands up to the terrorists better than we do. They deserve some help for that. If Israel were no longer there, the terrorists would be on us full time. Even if Israel never existed, the Muslim extremists want to get Amereica's wealth,and to pay it back for the Catholic Crusades England, and Italy, launched millenia ago. America is largely Catholic, so hurting America hurts Catholicism. Islamic terrorists are out to harm America no matter what we do, or don't do, in regard to Israel. By helping Israel fight Islamic terror, we help ourselves.
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I don't think so ... your history time line is a little off.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:12 PM


Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.


ummmmmm...

no

the Jewish migration to Palestine began around the time of the French Revolution

by world war 1 the British were main champion of Israel/Palestine. The Israeli fought with the British against the Ottomans


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration 1917

in 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine and give half to the jews and half to the palestinians

the palestinians and the arab states refused that partition and the Arab ambassador to the UN said

We are now at war, a war in which no quarter will be asked and none will be given. It will be a battle of life and death and woe to the vanquished.
-Dr Izzat Tannous

the English then withdrew from the country and Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and Iraq all attacked the Jews and all were beaten

after that until 1967 France was the main defender and supplier of Israel. After Israel gave the Suez Canal back to Egypt, France withdrew their support and the US picked it up to defend against Soviet influence in the country


LOL

That's skipping a lot of important facts!

cashu's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:12 PM

because we hate Palestinians?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I DON"T > They for the most part a lot nicer than there enemies .

cashu's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:14 PM

Can anyone answer this? A new topic, and I question I've always wondered about. What does the U.S. really have to gain, militarily, economically, politically? It is staggering, the amount of money, taxpayer money, that the U.S. has been doling out in foreign aid to this little country. Read this link:

http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm
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because they had no other place to go . there not liked any where .

cashu's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:31 PM
Edited by cashu on Mon 01/04/10 07:37 PM



Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go .

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:33 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Mon 01/04/10 07:34 PM




Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.


ummmmmm...

no

the Jewish migration to Palestine began around the time of the French RevolutionWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
they lived there for 212 years but the country was not there's it belonged to the canites and Jews migrated the and overwhelmed them . there real name is Hebrews not Jews . they took that from the city that was there when they got there. Jerusalem . we protected them because they had nothing . but they had done this to others before this . they robbed the Sumerian's the Babylonian the same way . when you invite them into your home sooner or later you hone well be theirs .

by world war 1 the British were main champion of Israel/Palestine. The Israeli fought with the British against the Ottomans


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration 1917

in 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine and give half to the jews and half to the palestinians

the palestinians and the arab states refused that partition and the Arab ambassador to the UN said

We are now at war, a war in which no quarter will be asked and none will be given. It will be a battle of life and death and woe to the vanquished.
-Dr Izzat Tannous

the English then withdrew from the country and Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and Iraq all attacked the Jews and all were beaten

after that until 1967 France was the main defender and supplier of Israel. After Israel gave the Suez Canal back to Egypt, France withdrew their support and the US picked it up to defend against Soviet influence in the country


LOL

That's skipping a lot of important facts!



yeah I did

the point wasnt to synopsize the whole history but just to refute the idea that the US created Israel so the jews would have a place to go

CatsLoveMe's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:38 PM

It could have something to do with the Jews who own most of our: banks, publishing houses, news media, movie studios, record companies, oil companies, manufacturing plants, ore deposits, etc. It may also have to do with: America claiming to be a Christian nation, Christ being King of Israel, and all non-Christians coming together to attack Israel in the last days.

Revelation,and other scriptures, make it clear that if you are Christian you are a spiritual Jew, and a supporter of Israel, and if you oppose Israel, you are aligned with the Anti-Christ, and are an enemy of Christ. Would you rather we send foreign aid to the Islamic nations which launch terror attacks against us? Israel stands up to the terrorists better than we do. They deserve some help for that. If Israel were no longer there, the terrorists would be on us full time. Even if Israel never existed, the Muslim extremists want to get Amereica's wealth,and to pay it back for the Catholic Crusades England, and Italy, launched millenia ago. America is largely Catholic, so hurting America hurts Catholicism. Islamic terrorists are out to harm America no matter what we do, or don't do, in regard to Israel. By helping Israel fight Islamic terror, we help ourselves.



Whoa, does any scholar Christian not have a problem with this assertion? Remember the whole Jews vs Gentiles controversy from Matthew through Romans? Seems to me, God and Jesus are just a wee bit pissed off at the Jews. How arrogant and lost they have become, as it was then so is it now. And Israel is the chosen people? Who said that, some rogue monk in the 6th century? Part of the reason why there is so much turmoil in the Middle East is the U.S.' interference in matters that don't concern us, buying Saudi oil, and feeling sorry for the Jews after the holocaust. We brought our own conflict upon us by siding with Israel while at the same time befriending the Saudi government, even though most Saudi nationals hate the U.S.A. The sooner we divorce this tragic and toxic relationship with Israel, the sooner we can make peace with the Middle East. Probably the silver bullet to ending the conflict and having a target painted on our backs. Israel is insignificant on the war on terror. They are more a hinderance than a help, but then that's just my opinion. Forgive my not being PC, but I tell it like it is.

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Mon 01/04/10 08:41 PM
Jesus was a Jew

CatsLoveMe's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:42 PM





Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.


ummmmmm...

no

the Jewish migration to Palestine began around the time of the French RevolutionWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
they lived there for 212 years but the country was not there's it belonged to the canites and Jews migrated the and overwhelmed them . there real name is Hebrews not Jews . they took that from the city that was there when they got there. Jerusalem . we protected them because they had nothing . but they had done this to others before this . they robbed the Sumerian's the Babylonian the same way . when you invite them into your home sooner or later you hone well be theirs .

by world war 1 the British were main champion of Israel/Palestine. The Israeli fought with the British against the Ottomans


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration 1917

in 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine and give half to the jews and half to the palestinians

the palestinians and the arab states refused that partition and the Arab ambassador to the UN said

We are now at war, a war in which no quarter will be asked and none will be given. It will be a battle of life and death and woe to the vanquished.
-Dr Izzat Tannous

the English then withdrew from the country and Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and Iraq all attacked the Jews and all were beaten

after that until 1967 France was the main defender and supplier of Israel. After Israel gave the Suez Canal back to Egypt, France withdrew their support and the US picked it up to defend against Soviet influence in the country


LOL

That's skipping a lot of important facts!



yeah I did

the point wasnt to synopsize the whole history but just to refute the idea that the US created Israel so the jews would have a place to go


Brigham Young found a place for the Mormons in NY to go, why does the United States have to find a sanctuary for the Hebrews to go? Why does it have to be us? Why not the Aussies, or the Russians, the Greeks, or the Italians? Why us? Israel has sucked the blood from America long enough. It's time for her to sink or swim.

CatsLoveMe's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:45 PM

Jesus was a Jew


Yes he was, he was also called the King of the Jews. The very people who hated his teachings, followers, and his legacy. The very same Jews that sided with the Romans and had Jesus executed and many of his followers. I honestly don't see why Israel deserves one penny from U.S. foreign aid.

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Mon 01/04/10 08:48 PM
Because there are lots of really hot Israeli chics? smokin

(Most likely because we don't want to see a nuclear Jericho effect because they are probably the baddest m*****f****rs in the Valley Death albeit small.)

CatsLoveMe's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:54 PM
From the article:

"Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries."

"Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen."

"The U.S. supports Israel's dominance so it can serve as "a surrogate for American interests in this vital strategic region." "Israel has helped defeat radical nationalist movements" and has been a "testing ground for U.S. made weaponry." Moreover, the intelligence agencies of both countries have "collaborated," and "Israel has funneled U.S. arms to third countries that the U.S. [could] not send arms to directly,…Iike South Africa, like the Contras, Guatemala under the military junta, [and] Iran." Zunes cited an Israeli analyst who said: "'It's like Israel has just become another federal agency when it's convenient to use and you want something done quietly."' Although the strategic relationship between the United States and the Gulf Arab states in the region has been strengthening in recent years, these states "do not have the political stability, the technological sophistication, [or] the number of higher-trained armed forces personnel" as does Israel."

"Among them are Hadassah, the Zionist women's organization, which organizes a steady stream of American Jewish visitors to Israel; the American Jewish Congress, which mobilizes support for Israel among members of the traditionally left-of-center Jewish mainstream; and the American Jewish Committee, which plays the same role within the growing middle-of-the-road and right-of-center Jewish community. The American Jewish Committee also publishes Commentary,one of the Israel lobby's principal national publications."

WTF! Do you not see the conspiracy here? We are Israel's love slave.

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Mon 01/04/10 09:00 PM






Because after World war two the Jews didn't have many places to go and it was largely up to the United states to find a new home for them.After the United nations decided that Isreal would be their new home it was up to the United states to protect them.We have been protecting them and giving them money ever since then and we probably always will.Isreal is also our friend and ally in Wars.Even if we didn't like Isreal it would make sense just to use the country as a military back up in case of a major war in the Middle east.


ummmmmm...

no

the Jewish migration to Palestine began around the time of the French RevolutionWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
they lived there for 212 years but the country was not there's it belonged to the canites and Jews migrated the and overwhelmed them . there real name is Hebrews not Jews . they took that from the city that was there when they got there. Jerusalem . we protected them because they had nothing . but they had done this to others before this . they robbed the Sumerian's the Babylonian the same way . when you invite them into your home sooner or later you hone well be theirs .

by world war 1 the British were main champion of Israel/Palestine. The Israeli fought with the British against the Ottomans


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration 1917

in 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine and give half to the jews and half to the palestinians

the palestinians and the arab states refused that partition and the Arab ambassador to the UN said

We are now at war, a war in which no quarter will be asked and none will be given. It will be a battle of life and death and woe to the vanquished.
-Dr Izzat Tannous

the English then withdrew from the country and Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and Iraq all attacked the Jews and all were beaten

after that until 1967 France was the main defender and supplier of Israel. After Israel gave the Suez Canal back to Egypt, France withdrew their support and the US picked it up to defend against Soviet influence in the country


LOL

That's skipping a lot of important facts!



yeah I did

the point wasnt to synopsize the whole history but just to refute the idea that the US created Israel so the jews would have a place to go


Brigham Young found a place for the Mormons in NY to go, why does the United States have to find a sanctuary for the Hebrews to go? Why does it have to be us? Why not the Aussies, or the Russians, the Greeks, or the Italians? Why us? Israel has sucked the blood from America long enough. It's time for her to sink or swim.


Christian influence is responsible for the Zionist movement.
It would never have been possible without the power and wealth of Western Govs.

Even so it didn't really pick up steam until after WWII. By the time of the UN Mandate Palestine was still 70% Arab and 30% Jew.
Western Powers through the UN decided it was best to divide Palestine into two countries.
Giving the Palestinians, 70% of the pop., 30% of the land, and the Jews (Israel), 30% of the pop., 70% of the land.
If anyone thinks that wasn't biased, they'll never see bias.
Esp. since before the Zionist movement Palestine had almost no Jews in it.

You can bounce around history with your timeline all you want, but the fact remains.
Israel is an illegal State formed by terror and lead by terrorists.

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