Israel has the same kind of a government (ultra right wing) on power, pretty much like the neocons in USA under Bush. Pre-emptive wars and violent outbursts for military options, kill this and kill that, the right wing zealots taken over control.

Look at Netanyahu's speeches and his cronies, like a mirror image of the neoconservatives in USA, they make the rest of the people living in Israel look even worse.

The truth is they would be living in peace with there family relatives the Palestine . They went there an started killing the people who were there , the same ones who were there before they were ever there . They don't try to be good neighbors .
we wouldn't have to protect them or support them nor sit here and watch them killing the true owners .I mean they aren't really or allies the did steal the hydrogen bomb from us they are the reason for this war in Afghanistan

"Israel" as mentioned in the bible refers to the descendants of Abraham. The modern State of Israel was manufactured in 1947 (others have more detail elsewhere in the thread, I see). To conflate the modern Israeli State with biblical error is a terrible, but sadly common mistake. (Yahweh explicitly forbids the Jews from having a State due to their disobedience, hence the diaspora)

If the Israeli State is what prevents terrorism "big time", as you say, then why were there no terrorist attacks before the Israeli State existed?

It sounds like you've been reading/listening to far too much Zionist propaganda.

Why Support Israel? (it would certainly be easier not to...)

by Victor David Hanson

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson020402.shtml

"The answer is found in values — not in brainwashing or because of innate affinity for a particular race or creed. Israel is a democracy. Its opponents are not. Much misinformation abounds on this issue. Libya, Syria, and Iraq are dictatorships, far more brutal than even those in Egypt or Pakistan. But even "parliaments" in Iran, Morocco, Jordan, and on the West Bank are not truly and freely democratic. In all of them, candidates are either screened, preselected, or under coercion. Daily television and newspapers are subject to restrictions and censorship; "elected" leaders are not open to public audit and censure."

well we help israel cause we gave them land surrounded by muslims...ooops another american,thingy?

Israel, tells The American Presidents what to do, so says Israel...


Israel is infact and in truth, NO FRIEND to The USA or any other nation on this entire PLANET...


Israel is The New World Order, in the final process of Breaking The USA and starting World WAR THREE, and American TAX PAYERS Will have Funded 100% of it with Their Income TAX MONEY...

I get tired of people who don't bother to look up any facts whatsovever and instead just say stuff to promote their preconceived fantasies. Sometimes that is why I post stuff.

Israel is a fun topic because everybody is so opinionated and the history is pretty obvious and well documented and that makes it easy to blow holes in silly arguments. Plus, defending Israel is "unfashionable" - so this is an opportunity I cannot resist!

Israel's gross domestic product is above $200 Billion dollars/yr.
Annually. Although aid is certainly welcomed I'm sure, their economy is not based on it and they can certainly go it alone if they need to...bht we SHOULD help them. Because they are true allies and unlike the dictatorships, theocracies, and terrorist states that surround her, Israel is a great democratic, free press, secular, open society. For all their failings they have a right to live in peace and security in defensible borders and with Jerusalem as their undivided capital. The lack of peace in the region is not due to Israel. Israel has not initiated hostilities unprovoked in the entire modern history of the state. If her neighbors stopped attacking then there would be peace now and for the forseeable future - but that is not what the terrorists want.

Is he fantasizing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIr4lEIqTkM

If you believe this, then you should raise the funds for your "save Israel" project and leave the rest of us alone. The current mideast policy is both unconstitutional and immoral.

Norman Finkelstein? Yep.



His so-called scholarship is well known to be bunk.

The New York Times' review of his work described its premise as a "novel variation" of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the fraudulent essay concocted in the late nineteenth century by the Czarist secret police which purports to uncover a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Accordingly, the Times' reviewer described Finkelstein as "juvenile," "arrogant," and "stupid" (Aug. 6, 2000).

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=169&x_article=985

Old old old antisemitic news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

And then, what do you think of the illegal settlement building into Palestinian land?

Umm. Define "Palestinian Land". In my opinion no such well defined thing actually exists. That is one goal of the peace process - to define how the land will be partitioned and governed. Right now there are just lands which both Israel and others claim to be rightfully "theirs".

From my point of view the Israelis have never launched an offensive war and if the Palestinians would simply lay down their arms and live peacefully the conflict would be over tomorrow. Israel wound up with the West Bank and Gaza and other lands after the defensive 1967 war.

It is not reasonable to expect Israel to give up completely any security buffer or key military geography. On the other hand, they offered Arafat something like 95% of the West Bank and Gaza which was refused. In my opinion such an offer was refused because it did not serve the political motives of Arafat and Fatah. They did not have the best interests of the Palestinians in mind.

When Israel did voluntarily withdraw from Gaza it only resulted in more attacks from the newly formed Hamastan - another disaster for the Palestinians. If this area had remained peaceful there would be no war there and gradually trade would resume.

So...hmmm. Settlement building? Israel is not doing any large scale settlement building or colonization and hasn't for a very long time. Sure there are a few scattered outposts and apartment building in and around Jerusalem but I don't see that as widespread colonization. They want to have Jerusalem which is their age old capital to remain their capital with full access to historic sites. Israel currently allows full access to these sites which was not the case previously under Jordanian rule before the 1967 war. So I think that settlement building claims are just another lame bargaining pretext.

My attitude is shut up and put down your missiles already and live your lives.

And in my opinion there is no such a thing as Jewish nationality. There is Jewish religion, but no nationality.
It didn't exist 60 years ago. The oldest possible "Israeli" cannot be older than 60 years old, because there was no Israel before 1948. There were Jews living there originally before the creation of Israel, but they are few far between. They were "Israelites" the remnants of the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel. (Separate kingdoms).
Most Jews living in Israel are immigrants from other nations. The last biggest move was after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1988-1992. Before that, it was WWII, and today most of them come from USA.

On the other hand, Palestine existed for a very long time, the name "Palestine" comes from "The land of Philistines" many times mentioned in ancient Egyptian texts and writings even Herodotus mentioned it several times as the district of Syria.

So basically, Jewish immigrants from other lands came up with the idea of "re creating" a state called "Israel" based on religious texts and claiming to own a territory on the Middle East. All of these Jewish people and their families going back hundreds or even a thousand years, lived and born in other nations and the only thing that connects them to Israel is their religion.

To be fair, neither Middle-Eastern Muslim people, who aren't natives to Palestine could claim this territory based on religion, just because the Koran says that "Mohamed entered into the heavens on the sacred rock" they have a legitimate claim to the land. Neither Christians, who claim that Jesus was crucified there and flew up to the heaven.

If you ask me, these are fairy tales and does nothing else, but incite hate and break out wars, and create extremists.

For a comparison, I can say that "I'm an Orthodox Christian" and I want Istanbul to be renamed back to Constantinople, because once it was the Byzantine Empire and it was Orthodox Christian, not Muslim and I will gather all the followers of Orthodox house and I will turn Istanbul back to an "Orthodox Christian land" and pull a wall up if I have to to keep out the invaders.

Saudi Arabia is NOT a democracy, and we're allies with them. So I don't buy the logic that we are helping Israel because they are a "democracy." And as someone earlier stated, I think a lot of the animosity against the U.S. from Middle Eastern states is both the existence of the Israeli state, and the U.S. support and intervention of Israel.

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if you have read the story or watch the movies about it JESUS knew they were going to kill him so with that knowledge he could of been out of town before they grabbed him or if he knew it and the rules made him stay to die . how could you blame the Jews . they just voted the way god. god allows us freedom of choice you know ..
I concur the Jews are not Jews their Hebrews . Jerusalem is where the got the name Jew . they were in the process of pushing out the canaanites who were there for thousands of years before the Hebrews stumbled in from the desert .
they took the or it was given to they by others . from the city that they lived in at the time . but the city was there before them .
No one owes them any thing .

if you don't know about the Jewish nation then I recommend you read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

and the Bible...



"Israel" is among the earliest archaeologically documented countries going back at least 3000 years....

from the above citation:

"The first independent confirmation of the biblical record is the Mesha Stele which dates back to the early 9th century BCE with the rise of Omri, King of Israel. All earlier dates are extrapolations and conjecture. In November 2008, however, archaeologists from Hebrew University discovered a 3000-year-old ostracon with five lines of Hebrew text written in Proto-Canaanite script at the Elah Fortress at Khirbet Qeiyafa. Carbon-14 dating puts this ostracon at the time of King David and the United Kingdom, and the location is in the area where, according to the Bible, David slew Goliath.[5][6]; although the ostracon itself doesn't actually mention these events."

From the vantage point of your Tug Boat, you can not see the Aircraft Carrier that is about to run you down...

Wickypedia is for chit, research The Oregon of Bulshivik Russian Jew and their history, or you can also find it by Henery Markow on Jeff Rense, but if and when you do find it...

You will see that the palestinians are the only true jews in all of Israel, and the Europeans have been killing them for over 60 years now...

oh yeah. fer sure. tha reel histerians.