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Topic: Democrats put health care bill on brink of passage
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Wed 12/23/09 03:36 PM
WASHINGTON – Democrats pushed sweeping health care legislation to the brink of Senate passage Wednesday, crushing a year-end Republican filibuster against President Barack Obama's call to remake the nation's health care system.

The 60-39 vote marked the third time in as many days Democrats have posted a supermajority needed to advance the legislation. Final passage, set for about dawn on Thursday, was a certainty, and will clear the way for talks with the House on a final compromise. Those negotiations likely will stretch into February.

The Senate has met for 24 consecutive days to debate the legislation, the second-longest such stretch in history, and Democrats held a celebratory press conference.

"We stand at on the doorstep of history," said Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who painstakingly pieced together the bill — and the now-controversial deals with wavering lawmakers that made its passage possible.

The measure would extend coverage to an estimated 31 million who lack it, while banning the insurance industry from denying benefits or charging higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. The Congressional Budget Office predicts the bill will reduce deficits by $130 billion over the next 10 years, an estimate that assumes lawmakers carry through on hundreds of billions of dollars in planned cuts to insurance companies and doctors, hospitals and others who treat Medicare patients.

Obama has also said he wants legislation that slows the rate of growth in medical spending nationwide, but the CBO said it has not determined whether that is the case with the bill.

Unlike the House, the Senate measure omits a government-run insurance option, which liberals favored to apply pressure on private insurers but Democratic moderates opposed as an unwarranted federal intrusion into the health care system.

In an interview with PBS, Obama signaled he will sign a bill even if it lacks the provision.

"Would I like one of those options to be the public option? Yes. Do I think that it makes sense, as some have argued, that, without the public option, we dump all these other extraordinary reforms and we say to the 30 million people who don't have coverage, `You know, sorry. We didn't get exactly what we wanted?' I don't think that makes sense."

Outnumbered Senate Republicans stubbornly played out a losing hand. They launched several last-minute attacks that Democrats swatted aside, then rejected calls to move the final vote up a day in deference to a snowstorm that threatened to prevent lawmakers from reaching home on Christmas Eve.

"Tomorrow the Senate will vote on a bill that makes a bad situation worse," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. "This bill slid rapidly down the slippery slope to more and more government control of health care."

Even before the bill passed, it was spinning off legal controversies at a remarkable rate.

Republican attorneys general in seven states discussed a court challenge to part of the bill that singles out Nebraska for special treatment, a concession made by the White House and Reid to lock in the state's Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson as the 60th vote for the legislation.

Under the provision, the federal government will permanently pick up the state's entire cost for an expansion of Medicaid, while paying the full tab for the other 49 states for only three years.

Nelson, who has strongly defended the provision, told reporters, "The governor said take care of it. I did." Asked whether the governor, Republican Dave Heineman, had said he didn't want the money, Nelson replied, "He hasn't said it to me."

That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.

Senate Republicans also laid out two other avenues for a court challenge.

Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., argued the measure was unconstitutional, saying Congress lacks authority to require Americans to purchase insurance. Democrats defeated his attempt to derail the bill, 60-39, but other critics of the bill were already speaking of a court challenge based on the same point.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, who is running for governor, said the bill improperly usurps the authority of the states to regulate insurance. She lost in a Senate vote, but that argument, too, is ripe for a court challenge.

In one concession to the season and the weather, Republicans agreed to move up the vote on final passage by one hour, to 7 am. Thursday. When Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., asked if they were willing to push up the vote even more, a hush fell over the Senate chamber before the Republican leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, indicated they were not prepared to do so.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091223/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_
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Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 04:22 PM
That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


How many Republican Govs pushed for special favors?

no photo
Wed 12/23/09 05:09 PM
This is the tale telling line that stands out in the article -

"Even before the bill passed, it was spinning off legal controversies at a remarkable rate"

there is no doubt that the deal made with Nebraska is not in the best interest of all the people in all the states.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 05:20 PM
That's because as a duped Republican follower you fail to get passed the parts that fit the Rhetoric.

You fail to even notice this,


Nelson, who has strongly defended the provision, told reporters, "The governor said take care of it. I did." Asked whether the governor, Republican Dave Heineman, had said he didn't want the money, Nelson replied, "He hasn't said it to me."




Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 05:22 PM

That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Let the Republican Party fall!

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Wed 12/23/09 05:27 PM

That's because as a duped Republican follower you fail to get passed the parts that fit the Rhetoric.

You fail to even notice this,


Nelson, who has strongly defended the provision, told reporters, "The governor said take care of it. I did." Asked whether the governor, Republican Dave Heineman, had said he didn't want the money, Nelson replied, "He hasn't said it to me."






Once again you are wrong... I notice that....it makes no difference as to my post... read my post.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 05:50 PM

That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


How many Republican Govs pushed for special favors?


LMAO

Chazster's photo
Wed 12/23/09 07:13 PM
Wow, you quote yourself? How lame... just like this bill. Congress knows it too because they are exempt.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 07:46 PM


That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


How many Republican Govs pushed for special favors?


LMAO


LMAO

Only when the blind fail to admit the truth!

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 07:47 PM
The best way to learn is through repetition.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 07:48 PM
So,
How many Republican Govs pushed for special favors?

and,
How long before the Republicans quit lying or reach melt-down?

no photo
Wed 12/23/09 09:18 PM

The best way to learn is through repetition.


\Not me, I don't repeat mistakes.

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Wed 12/23/09 09:21 PM

The best way to learn is through repetition.


Yep. Because it's well known that even the biggest lies, if repeated often enough, come to be seen as truth.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/23/09 10:42 PM


The best way to learn is through repetition.


Yep. Because it's well known that even the biggest lies, if repeated often enough, come to be seen as truth.


What's good for the Republican is good for the Independent!

Don't you just love it?:wink:

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Thu 12/24/09 04:07 AM
I hope they all get snowed in and can't make it home for the holidays!
Why you ask?
Because they are pushing through a bill that none of them have read. I afraid of what will be discovered in this bill as time goes by.
I hope they stop playing politics when merging the 2 bills together. But for some strange reason I believe the political game has just begun!

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Thu 12/24/09 12:13 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Thu 12/24/09 12:13 PM


That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Let the Republican Party fall!


Great, give all the power to the corrupt democrats. At least now the corrupt parties appear to have the illusion of fighting eachother.

On the positive side, at least people might think about the issues instead of the parties. Hmmm.... Maybe we should do that now instead of devoting our time to attacking another party... Biased = ignorance.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/24/09 02:08 PM
I'm attacking a domestic enemy!

The Republican, Anti-American Party!

The biggest domestic threat this country has faced since the American Revolution!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 12/24/09 07:20 PM

I'm attacking a domestic enemy!

The Republican, Anti-American Party!

The biggest domestic threat this country has faced since the American Revolution!


rofl

What what is it you think "America" Stands for? I guess i can see why you where a sheep would side withthe wolves to take on the lion...

But the wolves are a threat too my friend. Go ahead and blind yourself with color, and choose sides. The only way you will be informative to people is to stop the petty party bashing and start educating them on how things work, and how certain proposals could endanger or help us.

Ignorance has always been our biggest enemy my friend. Always, to mankind, and since long before the revolution. drinker Merry christmas my brother!

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Thu 12/24/09 07:52 PM



That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Let the Republican Party fall!


Great, give all the power to the corrupt democrats. At least now the corrupt parties appear to have the illusion of fighting eachother.

On the positive side, at least people might think about the issues instead of the parties. Hmmm.... Maybe we should do that now instead of devoting our time to attacking another party... Biased = ignorance.


There are 7 Political Parties in the US.

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Thu 12/24/09 08:22 PM




That underscored the potential political dilemma facing Republicans in Washington who oppose additional funding that governors of their own party may want.


"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Let the Republican Party fall!


Great, give all the power to the corrupt democrats. At least now the corrupt parties appear to have the illusion of fighting eachother.

On the positive side, at least people might think about the issues instead of the parties. Hmmm.... Maybe we should do that now instead of devoting our time to attacking another party... Biased = ignorance.


There are 7 Political Parties in the US.


unfortunately, only 2 matters for like 99.9% of the people, and those fight each other while the rest of the country go unemployed.

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