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Topic: America in 2050
msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 11:44 AM
The latest news about what america will 'look' around the year 2050
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"The United States has 308 million people today; two-thirds are non-Hispanic whites.

The total population should climb to 399 million by 2050, under the new projection, with whites making up 49.9 percent of the population. Blacks will make up 12.2 percent, virtually unchanged from today. Hispanics, currently 15 percent of the population, will rise to 28 percent in 2050.

Asians are expected to increase from 4.4 percent of the population to 6 percent.

The point when minority children become the majority is expected to have a similar delay of roughly eight years, moving from 2023 to 2031.

The population 85 and older is projected to more than triple by 2050, to 18.6 million.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-to-have-white-minority-by-2050-14600778.html#ixzz0aAJ5NDNY
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My question,,because the term minority was brought up in another thread....Is anyone concerned about becoming a minority or majority in the future? How do you think the demographic changes will change government, society, culture...etc....

Note, that I am not JUST referring to race in my question about demographics, how do you think the increase in senior citizen population might affect how we do things in our country/culture?

Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:04 PM
Well,
first of all your article doesn't show a real change.
Whites will still be a majority and Blacks will remain unchanged.

The only group the article projects to change a great deal are Hispanics.
I'm sure that's assuming the illegal immigration problem isn't solved and that the Hispanics don't learn some kind of self-control.
Breeding like rabbits isn't helping anyone and has to be financially draining on them.
Unless of course they expect tax-payers to foot the bill for raising their children. In that case it will be a financial drain on everyone.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:09 PM
look at San Antonio and you'll see the face of the future of America

Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:11 PM

look at San Antonio and you'll see the face of the future of America



Meaning?

The Alamo?

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:15 PM

Well,
first of all your article doesn't show a real change.
Whites will still be a majority and Blacks will remain unchanged.

The only group the article projects to change a great deal are Hispanics.
I'm sure that's assuming the illegal immigration problem isn't solved and that the Hispanics don't learn some kind of self-control.
Breeding like rabbits isn't helping anyone and has to be financially draining on them.
Unless of course they expect tax-payers to foot the bill for raising their children. In that case it will be a financial drain on everyone.


Fanta, let me first say that although I dont agree with you on MANY things,,lol,, I respect your thorough follow through and fearlessness in debating issus.

As far as change, I dont know, from roughly 70 percent of the population to just 49 percent seems quite a change. I mean in terms of a high school grade, thats the difference between barely passing and failing miserably..lol. I personally find it interesting how race even works itself into our culture. My whole life my mom was considered and considers herself black, but these days she could choose to call herself 'mixed'.

It is because the definitions of race are so inconsistent and culturally based, that I find this change in demographics to be an issue of interest. I tend to believe, the definitions will merely change again, before the majority give up their majority status.

I also find it interesting that we will have so many more senior citizens,, those who did what they were 'supposed to' who will find the companies they have worked for not able to hold up their end of the deal in their retirement. That mixed with a society that ever increasingly finds responsibility towards anyoen beside self a foreign concept causes me concern and fear for what might happen to this demographic of our society.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:15 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 12/19/09 12:32 PM
meaning San Antonio, the 7th largest city in America, bigger than Dallas or San Diego,

is a happy almagamation of hispanic and anglo culture.

the tide of immigration from latin america will never stop.

and america, being the great melting pot, will assimilate them into our culture and become a not really hispanic dominated but a hispanic accomodated culture

and San Antonio is already there

Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:40 PM

meaning San Antonio, the 7th largest city in America, bigger than Dallas or San Diego,

is a happy almagamation of hispanic and anglo culture.

the tide of immigration from latin america will never stop.

and america being the great melting pot will assimilate them into our culture and become a not really hispanic dominated but a hispanic accomodated culture

and San Antonio is already there


The tide of immigration from latin america will never stop.

Why not?
It's a fairly new cultural trend. It has only been inabled by Gov turning their heads and allowing it to happen.

I graduated HS in Southern NM. (Alamogordo)
In 1978, even that close to the border we didn't have an illegal immigration problem. What little there was was actively curtailed by the border patrols. Even the Mexican-American population got involved in the apprehension of illegals and enforcement of our laws against it. Something most still do, as my many Mexican-American friends will attest to.

On the East Coast as late as the mid 80s, we hardly saw Hispanics except at harvest time. These were legal migrant workers though. Provided by the Farms a place to live during their stay and by a cooperative farming community a free medical clinic.

The problems with illegal immigration on the scale we see it today started with the Gov cooperation and can end with them enforcing the laws they were meant to uphold.


Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:41 PM
If not. I predict more States and citizen participation in maintaining those laws.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:43 PM
I didnt say illegal immigration

just immigration (both I guess)

but all of south america and central america and mexico is hispanic and growing and it is naturally spreading demographically north

it kinda freaks out some of the older anglo hispaniphobe types but its gonna happen

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:48 PM
Well, If I wanted to live the spanish culture, I would go to Spain. But I understand the debate. I think it is an area of interest for many because so many immigrants have come to the US and assimilated into one common culture, and it appears that those coming from the south have etched out a way to avoid this and to even, economically speaking, force americans to assimilate to them instead.

I enjoy the many cultures present in America, but it does get a bit more frustrating to look around and see so many people shut out because they demand decent wages that others dont or because they have lived in a monolingual society that out of the blue has started to require a second language to etch a decent living in so many good paying positions.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:51 PM

whites making up 49.9 percent of the population. Blacks will make up 12.2 percent, virtually unchanged from today. Hispanics, currently 15 percent of the population, will rise to 28 percent in 2050.

Asians are expected to increase from 4.4 percent of the population to 6 percent.



Hispanics = +13%, this can be stopped.
Blacks = +0%
Asian = +1.6%
Total = +14.6%

White (2050) = 49.9%
Total increase of others = 14.6%

White (today) = 64.5%

Not 70%


Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:53 PM
Your little study also leaves out quite a few other races of people.
Don't ya think?

Why is that?

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:53 PM


whites making up 49.9 percent of the population. Blacks will make up 12.2 percent, virtually unchanged from today. Hispanics, currently 15 percent of the population, will rise to 28 percent in 2050.

Asians are expected to increase from 4.4 percent of the population to 6 percent.



Hispanics = +13%, this can be stopped.
Blacks = +0%
Asian = +1.6%
Total = +14.6%

White (2050) = 49.9%
Total increase of others = 14.6%

White (today) = 64.5%

Not 70%




but even if you look at that, that is as much decline in one demographic as there is an increase in ALL the other demographics combined...

cottonelle's photo
Sat 12/19/09 12:56 PM
wait a minute! i thought the world was going to end in 2012? i`m so confusedtears

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:00 PM

Your little study also leaves out quite a few other races of people.
Don't ya think?

Why is that?


Good Question,, you would have to inquire at the Belfast Telegraph, who were the ones to publish the article.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:03 PM
ohhhhhh this was a Irish study?


the only people for whom Freud said Psychotherapy was of no use?

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:05 PM

ohhhhhh this was a Irish study?


the only people for whom Freud said Psychotherapy was of no use?



haaa, oh my

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:06 PM
I'm full blooded irish descended paternally and maternally

so I can say that

Fanta46's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:08 PM
Maybe we are jumping to conclusions here.
Let me slow down a bit.

The CIA Factbook lists the US,

Ethnic groups:
white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean persons of Spanish/Hispanic/Latino origin including those of Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Dominican Republic, Spanish, and Central or South American origin living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.); about 15.1% of the total US population is Hispanic


Now, I believe our current legal immigration allows for 17.7% annually
The largest in the world as a fact.

I've been told by a few Europeans that it is extremely hard for them to gain legal immigration here.
I read somewhere that this is because their countries don't want to lose educated talent from their countries. The US cooperates with this by severely restricting legal immigration from Europe.

I guess considering all this it only reasons that indeed the White Majority in the US will decline.

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/19/09 01:08 PM
kewl, my daughter is half Welsh.


I think, last I checked with her dad, the two groups were drinking buddies or something,,lol

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