From the New York Times Online

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The UN climate conference in Copenhagen today approved a deal to tackle global warming proposed by world leaders, after an accord Barack Obama brokered with China, India, Brazil and South Africa.

But the UN Secretary General today admitted the non-binding agreement at the conclusion of the conference was not "everything everyone had hoped for", as he confirmed a deal had finally been done.

Delegates have agreed to "take note" of the American-led Copenhagen Accord, despite criticism that there are no long-term targets to cut emissions and it is not a legally-binding treaty.

Obama had brokered the agreement with China, India, Brazil and South Africa to tackle global warming, which included a reference to keeping the global temperature rise to just 2C - but the plan does not specify greenhouse gas cuts needed to achieve the 2C goal.
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Prime minister Gordon Brown said the Accord was a "necessary first step" but those in opposition to it described it as "weak" and "meaningless" .

The document setting out the deal will specify a list of countries which agreed with it, as some of the 192 nations which have taken part in the talks are understood not to have accepted it.

In stormy overnight talks Sudan, Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia all denounced the plan after about 120 world leaders left following a summit yesterday.

Sudan’s delegate, Lumumba Di-Aping, said the accord would condemn Africa to many deaths from global warming and compared it with the Holocaust.

But this morning UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon said: "We have a deal" and described the agreement as an "important beginning" in the fight against climate change. It will allow a provision for $30 billion of climate aid for poorer countries over the next three years to become operational. There will also be a further $100 billion a year from 2020.

Mr Ban said: "The Copenhagen Accord may not be everything everyone had hoped for, but this decision...is an important beginning.”

Under the accord, countries will be able to set out their pledges for the action they plan to take to tackle climate change, in an appendix to the document, and will provide information to other nations on their progress.

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Read more at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6962533.ece
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Well there was no binding agreement after all. Ten billion dollars a year will be spent for a few years going up to one hundred billion dollars a year for a non-binding agreement than China largely torpedoed.

It should be noted that all the money proposed by Clinton and Obama will be spent (given away) but non of the binding results intended for the money are required. It should also be noted that China's ongoing rapid increase in production of Greenhouse gases pretty much make up for any reductions by the poor countries anyway.

Should we pay this kind of money for this kind of result?

The

quick answer = NO

its all a friggin wealth redistribution scam,the 'uncontrolled' coal fires in china ALONE most likely produce more ACTUAL toxic greenhouse gases than the industry of most countries combined.
That fact also combined with china being the worlds largest industrial infrastructure constanly pumping out pollutants

oh and co2 is poisonous and dangerous, give mother earth a break..please stop breathing.Last time i checked we had these awesome high tech machines that process co2,they are called 'trees'


these climate nazis cause me to desire violence,savage,savage violence..maybe the esrb or congress can step in to muzzle them before violence happens..oh too late..yea.......


man i wish i could be paid to lie and make up 'stuff'..that would be awesome


and all this practically on the heels of new and improved healthcare-taxes
oh yes its a great day to be an american,looking forward to my new red flag

as best as I can figure from all that I've heard from this conference

is that it turned into China and India refusing to allow monitoring of their emissions and demanding that the US and EU give them money

sounds to me like it just turned into a money grab

qft - exactly

The sad thing is that the money being offered (ten billion per years rapidly growing to 100 billion per year) is being provided ANYWAY. Even though China is cranking out coal plants at an incredible rate. All the poor nations have to do to get money is declare their INTENTIONS.

China promised to reduce Greenhouse Gases by approximately 40% but is buying up long term oil contracts as fast as possible and building coal fired power plants as fast as possible.

The cost of studying the problem was a drop in the bucket.

BTW, the US offered to share with the world all the recent advances in solar technology we have just created so the high tech jobs that would have been kept here will be gone.

I think, even though its a weak agreement and not much will come of it, it is prolly a pretty good incremental step

the climate change thing and management of wastes and emissions is getting more and nore implanted in the world, the people, and the governments conciousness

it took us a hundred years to get into this position and will take several years or decades to get out of it

so every incremental step forward is a bonus

I agree that some good came out of the conference. Some of the countries who are whacking rain forest to make crop and grazing land are taking money to stop. The sad part is that the actual goal of the conference was to reverse the production of CO2, which will occur to some degree in some nations. However, China has the ability to negate all of that and is well down that road.

I wonder if China is getting any of the money?

yep

in fact they demanded it

I know they demanded it but they didn't agree to verification of their "reduction" efforts either. That was a big issue.

yeah Hillary said something about that yesterday but I was distracted and didnt catch it

I think they agree to "consider" monitoring and verification

and Obama struck a pretty stern and unyielding position which I though was kinda cool. all these third world governments and china thought he was gonna be a pushover

but he told em "we'll do this much and that's all you'll get so don't ask"

Personally, I think China should be paying into the fund, not taking money out it. I haven't seen how the the pie is actually cut yet.

The list of who is doing what and for how much should come out pretty soon.

I suspect that the whole global warming scam is not about global warming at all, its just an excuse to pay off China with more American dollars, because if China drops the American dollar altogether and cashes it in, it would completely crash our economy because the truth would be revealed that there is no gold backing any of our money and on the world market it is not worth much, if anything. Its extortion in my opinion. China says give us more money or pay your notes. If we can't pay our notes (Federal reserve notes are I.O.U.'s) then they will come to collect by demanding ownership of the collateral . Do you know what the collateral is?

Its us and all we own.

Maybe. I just think they are being a horse's a$$ because they know they can get away with it. I don't think they have any intention of using less coal or oil, or anything else for that matter that isn't in their financial best interest. I think plans for changing the world's use of energy are helpful, getting off the oil teat is even more helpful, but "Money for Nothing" is not a good plan.

Like I said, its probably extortion. Its not "money for nothing."

If we give them money they will continue to hold and use the American dollar and not try to collect on the notes, hence we can keep our head above water for a little bit longer. If they dump the dollar, its complete ruin for us.

Nothing unites residents of the global village better than a common problem!!!

Seems like a clever plan of repaying the US debts with the technological innovations (rather than with cash)...


Though, I think, most of the US commitments must be implemented in terms of the technology distribution, rather than actual cash (which might easily be used for other endaevors, not related to the task at hand...) Such a distribution would surely put all of the participating countries in a total dependance of the US...

* Finally, the world domination can be achieved by the peaceful means -- without any addression!!! (not that I complain!)

Though, some of the South American countries don't seem to take the problem seriously. And they must be dealt with accordingly:
Sudan, Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia (all of whom have denounced the plan) should be left to their own devices, when the time comes...(i.e. no assistance should be offered to Cuba, for instance, when it will be swallowed by the ocean!)

Actually, your post is a good example of just how ingrained are the politics. Cuba has been against anything the US is for since Castro took over. Chavez is crazy and hates the US and uses Venezuela's oil as a weapon (I understand much of it is going to be shipped to China). Nicaragua was at war with Honduras with the US on Honduras' side. I don't know what is Bolivia's problem but it probably had something to with the US trying to overthrow the country.

Most countries have some kind of "angle" to get something. Some get a reduction in the world's production of CO2 which is a good thing and some just get money.

By the way, Have you heard:

... the magnetic north pole has moved 1100 km from the time scientists first located it in 1831. Then, in 1904, the pole began shifting northeastward at a steady pace of about 15 kilometres a year.
In 1989, it sped up again, and, in 2007, scientists confirmed the pole is moving toward Siberia at 55 to 60 kilometres a year

(No wonder, they keep their prison camps in Siberia...)

Yeah, that is one of the main reasons Aeronautical charts are changed every six months. Planes navigate by magnetic compass headings (at least the little ones do). Survey crews have to use the compass to survey so the "deviation" has to be reset constantly. Here in Houston the compass headings have changed by two degrees over the past few decades.

Joe, can you foresee some of the remifications of such changes as the poles' shofting besides Planes navigation?

the biggest impact of a pole shift is the disruption of earths electromagnetic/gravitic field

the electromagnetic field focuses solar rays to the poles (aurora) and if that is disrupted then everybody gets a really bad sunburn