I was thinking about this last night that I'm gonna write about this..I'm gonna try to put it into words, so I'll try.

As you know..this whole world is run by laws. Whatever you believe or don't believe, evidence shows, that every matter in this world is connected to various laws based on physics and chemistry.
The galaxy could not exist if the bonding force of the center (which is most likely a black hole) would not be attracting matter to keep a sort of a unity that gives the physical shape and movement of a galaxy.

It is also the same thing with solar systems. The bonding force (gravity) that is projected by the Sun (or a star in another planetary system) creates the aligments of the planets and a certain movement and reaction.

We can keep going down to sub-atomic level, of how the negatively charged neutrons spin around the positively charged proton at the center, forming what we know - an atom.

Everything follows certain rules in this universe that creates a perfect balance.

If you try to unbalance (planets or stars collide), it will create an unbalance, but only temporarily and the system itself balances itself out in a certain time.

So you ask yourself, what does all this have to do with "beleiving" and what is this doing in the religion section?

It has EVERYTHING to do with believing and while it has little to do with the usual religions (although they are based on the universe and creation, but with a simpler explanation), what you (if you aren't Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist, etc) should believe is, this.

-While the word "God" you'd think defines an old guy with a beard, forget that idea for a second, instead believe that "God" is an unconscious force, that keeps the balance level or re-balances what is unbalanced.

It's an equation, based on logic and universal laws.

But doesn't that only would work in the physical presence?

No, it works at all levels of life.

If you go with the big bang theory, that means, you believe, that there was something "One" and it broke into "many".

If everything was "one" at once and now many, that means,

you
me
him
her
that

..is essentially made of the same material. That's right, what can be found on Earth, can be found at other places, because it came from the same source. That's why there are gases like hydrogen, sulfur, lava rock - whatever can be found on other planets as well, since it came from the same "ancient matter".

I am a person who will not be surprised to find an exact copy of Earth one day, because of that. What would be surprising is NOT to find one, since it's obvious that all the materials present on this planet can be found everywhere.

You would never ask why there are so many galaxies look similar in shape and size, or stars seem to be the same and made of the same material, and yet you doubt that planets , rocks, and even living creatues and living beings can be very same, just like the stars or the planets.

It's because we are coming from the same "ingredients" that make this world and there are tons of evidence for this, if you read any science news or you actually went to school at one time of your life.


So what you should believe.

I think you need to believe, that just like the planets line up or how the galaxy spin, the balance is either at place or it's coming. And that also work spiritually within each humans. You must be balanced otherwise you wouldn't exist. Your soul is part of this universe, just like the rocks on the ground or the stars on the sky. Your soul is also "star material", your thinking and everything that comes in the "package" as you, the person.

If you feel weak, tired, or you are going through rough times, your best bet is to Believe, and what to believe, is that what we call 'bad things" are created by a temporary unbalanced period in our life but the equation will balance itself out, jut give it time.

"God" is the balance itself, but this god does not work miracles, although some things we see, seems as miracles, because we don't understand yet, we don't have the capability or not enough research done to understand it.
But again, this "God" I'm talking about cannot work on his own. You must do something on your part, because both side of the equation needs to be balanced, and you must do your own. Don't worry about the rest, because once you do your part, the other side of your "life equation" will balance it out.
But again, it is very important that you do your part. That means, that you aren't sitting and waiting for miracles, but actively pursuing to better your life and as the old saying says "Help yourself, and God will help you too".

I hope some will understand this an don't take it the wrong way.

insightful. although i had to laugh at the term "star material"; i understand that you mean we are all from one source and as such we are all connected in a way. it sounds to me like your scientific take on religion is indeed balanced (yes, in concurrence with the topic) and that rather than worshiping something tangible, that we can all worship on our own terms through silent appreciation of the fantastic world we live in. it also feels very modern, like a person of skepticism or one of no faith could at least have some understanding because you aren't asking us to believe in some magical being or some ludicrous chain of being etc. that many other religions boast. its all very plausible. good **** Atlantis75!

I might never got to the point actually, lol..what I meant, is not to take what I wrote as some sort of a dogma, but just another direction for those who are confused.

I beleive, everybody should believe of whatever he or she is comfortable to believe. There should be no pressure of what to believe or what not to believe.
It doesn't matter who or what, but whatever makes you feel good with the world.

Well, if you meant to post this in the Religion section I think you made a wrong turn at Mars.

Other than that I'm basically in agreement with the gist of what you've said.

This statement is a good way of thinking, but that is about it. This is a very worldly outlook on everything. Things of this world deteriats and dies, people need to have a spiritual outlook on everything. If there is no heaven, or some form of after life then our lives are pretty much pointless. In a worldly look at everything that meens the love you share(d) with someone will dissapear when you die, so why love in the first place? Because going on an average life span of 60 years that's not really all that long. So would you like to think that all your moments and memorys of those 60 years were worthless and they just vanish into thin air? I'm afraid to tell you differently and i pray that you find God. Hate to tell you brother but it's not truely a here today gone tomarrow kind of world. Our actions and thoughts will continue for eternity.

science has nothing to do with belief. no credible physicist "believes" in the big bang. he considers it a theory that is still being tested. belief requires faith. religions exist on faith. i've faith in nothing, therefor believe nothing. to believe is to know. nothing is knowable absolutely other than what i experience. the op makes no sense.

Physicists and scientists are not automatons they are human. They have beliefs. Although they are open to well supported countering belief systems many yes many believe in the big bang theory. Scientists have many beliefs and trying to say they do not is just silly.

Without beliefs there would be no science. If I believe differently than someone else I am going to create an experiment to support my beliefs. Differing belief systems is what drives science to question each other.

Ditto that Abra

Truly!

I've been a scientist my entire life and I get sick of hearing these yo-yos speaking on my behalf. And they even get so arrogant about it as to say things like "no credible scientist, or no scientist worth his salt", etc., in an attempt to discredit any scientists who don't agree with their personal opinions and agendas.

It's disgusting.

Like you say, "Physicists and scientists are not automatons they are human."

Truly! I've been a spiritual person my entire life. I have beliefs, faiths, hopes, and dreams just like artists do. That doesn't affect my ability to do scientific work. I'm fully aware of the difference between performing a scientific experiment and worshiping the Moon Goddess. I don't confuse the two in the slightest.

Besides science is the study of nature. What would be closer to my spirituality than to study nature herself? Nature is my God, in spite of the fact that many people may not understand the nuances of my spiritual views. The first think they would need to understand is Taoism, and then they would need to understand the Celtic Qabalah in terms of consciousnesses, and then they'd need to understand how spiritual archetypes work. Then they might have a chance of intellectually grasping the fundamentals of my beliefs and faiths, which are not in any way in conflict with working in the field of science. Science is just a career. It's not a religion or a philosophy.

In fact, to even suggest what scientists believe is as silly as suggesting what a cab driver believes. Science is just a job. It's not a religion or a philosophy. It's a career.

we simply disagree as to what science is all about and how scientists think.

How scientists think? You mean, how you think.

Like I say, you don't speak for me, and I've been a scientist thoughtout my entire working life. I'm retired now.

I don't agree with you, and neither does Max Planck, a very famous and well-established quantum physicist:

"Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith'." - Max Planck

So I guess you don't speak for Max Planck either. Or perhaps you don't feel that he was a "credible" scientist?

I wouldn't dare be so bold as to claim to know how all scientists think. Scientists are humans, they all think differently.

You should be very careful when you starting claiming to know how other people think. You don't speak for me, and you clearly don't speak for Max Planck either. I'm sure there are a lot of scientists who would not agree with your personal views on how you think scientists should think.

Kind of sad that nobody has caught that it's electrons that are the negatively charged particles in an atom. Neutrons stay in the middle with the protons.

tells you how much we actually listen eh?

At least one of us did catch it but decided that it was not important enough to make a big issue out of, since it was only being used as an illustration and was not the point of the post.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It doesn't change the spirit of the message one iota. It was just a minor technicality that wasn't important to the theme.

I agree. Scientific method is not by any means based on faith.
long story short, You start with a hypothosis witch goes through a period of rigorous testing and if it makes it it becomes a thoery (which means a proven explenation of a fact. not a fact its self)

But that doesnt mean a scientist cant belive in anything. I am not a scientist, yet any ways, physics and i have big plans together, but i for one believe in the existence of the graviton. As of now, we cant prove that the graviton exist. its is a personal belief, but i wont argue either way because theres no proof yet. If it turns out im wrong, than im wrong.

I belive in God, more or less, although i see that whole thing completely different than most. The origonal Author comes pretty close.
My point is, i can agree that science has nothing to with faith, but somethings we just do not know. Some we will never know, ad least as far as forming a valid theory goes. And i thinks its perfectly acceptable for a scientist or a mechanic to belive, or have faith in something.


Science does not make facts, it explains observed facts. Not to imply you said otherwise, i just want to put that out there

The notion of “God” has been passed to us from the primordial times, when people – still being clueless and unsure of themselves – have noticed the regularity:
*** sometimes, if you desire something intensely, it comes true! *** Apparently, some scholars (shamans) have even devised a way of making those supplications most effective – directing them to some all-powerful (almighty) wish-exercising spirit – thus coining the term “GOD”! For example:
When they’ve learned climbing the trees, the supplications’ changed to finding the tree that’s full of fruits… etc.etc.etc.

In the modern times – in spite of our inherent similarities – the greatest difficulty facing the person IS the clash of the opposing wishes (i.e. supplications):
everybody desires something… And everyone – despite of his/er level of the intellectual sophistication – is confident in his/er method of getting their wishes materialized IS the optimal one! (like some of the ignorant people, “who don’t trust anybody”, have the audacity of claiming they understand the scientific method! and seem to probably pride themselves of knowing what's to be done...)

Atlantis, being from Hungary, you might be familiar with the expression:


In other words, you can believe whatever you wish, as long as it doesn’t clash with the beliefs of the others -- the more equal people! * * *

Though its comforting to know my distant star-double avoided the draggery! (I hope)

as the title of the topic says I want you to believe in something...

I do, i believe in the one thing that matters, I believe in...

myself

Frankly, I usually take the touble of reading the initial post before responding to the ambiguous topic!

most people seek hope, filling that niche can be double edged, but then again i see no other alternative.