Topic: training
dolphin14's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:22 PM
Is it better to do cardio first and warm up and then go do weight training or vice versa or doesn't matter?

Quietman_2009's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:24 PM
back when I was doin such stuff I did the cardio first

if you're weight training to failure (push until you just can't) then you'll be too tired for the cardio


I found a easier regimen these days. I wear leg weights and wrist weights to bed at night

tanyaann's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:25 PM
Edited by tanyaann on Tue 12/08/09 08:26 PM
Always better to warm up first... but I heard that it's best to alternate between cardio and strength training.



When I work out... I usually do about 1/2 hour cardio, 1/2 hour or so weights, at least 1/2 hour cardio.

tanyaann's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:26 PM

back when I was doin such stuff I did the cardio first

if you're weight training to failure (push until you just can't) then you'll be too tired for the cardio


I found a easier regimen these days. I wear leg weights and wrist weights to bed at night



Is that so you don't fall out of bed? laugh :wink:

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:37 PM

Is it better to do cardio first and warm up and then go do weight training or vice versa or doesn't matter?
flowerforyou cardio,in my opinionflowerforyou

writer_gurl's photo
Tue 12/08/09 08:39 PM

Excersize?????????
surprised surprised surprised

Scott3895's photo
Tue 12/08/09 10:28 PM

Is it better to do cardio first and warm up and then go do weight training or vice versa or doesn't matter?



Depends on your goals, but 99% of the time I would recommend weights first then cardio, weights first will help deplete glycogen levels in your blood, that way when doing cardio your body will shift to fat burning mode quicker. Weights are very important for over all looks, that way you don't become skinny fat, and those extra muscles will help you burn more calories. Don't worry about getting too muscular 99% of women don't have the genetics for that, anyways.


Best way to do cardio is on an empty stomach in the morning, you will be the "MOST" carb depleted at this point and will also help set your metabolism run faster for the rest of the day.

dolphin14's photo
Wed 12/09/09 05:38 PM
gosh everything i have read says i should eat within a half hour of rising. I always have oatmeal in the morning before i work out.

dolphin14's photo
Wed 12/09/09 05:38 PM
gosh everything i have read says i should eat within a half hour of rising. I always have oatmeal in the morning before i work out.

Scott3895's photo
Wed 12/09/09 09:12 PM
Edited by Scott3895 on Wed 12/09/09 09:12 PM

gosh everything i have read says i should eat within a half hour of rising. I always have oatmeal in the morning before i work out.



They are not assuming you are going to do morning cardio, lol! Morning cardio on an empty stomach at a slow pace keeping your heart rate between 120-130 will cause a dramatic decrease in bodyfat. Trust me on this, my word is gold when it comes to training and dieting!

dolphin14's photo
Thu 12/10/09 08:04 PM
i can't go to the gym without eating. I'm there for 2-3 hours. too long without eating is not good

Scott3895's photo
Thu 12/10/09 09:48 PM

i can't go to the gym without eating. I'm there for 2-3 hours. too long without eating is not good





I didn't say go to the gym without eating did I ???? Nope! Pay attention please! Wake up, fasted stomach get on a treadmill with no food in your body. Why??? Ok, let me explain how your body uses energy and it's preference for energy. Your body runs on calories like a car runs on gas, your bodies preference for fuel is carbohydrate (Glucose). In the morning when you have not ate NOTHING, you are most carb depleted cause you have woke up on an empty stomach. Ok, now our body has no carbs, the second source of energy now will be what??? Fat! You guessed it! So let's take advantage of the fat burning process and get on a treadmill and start walking at a pace where we can still talk to the person next to us without gasping for air (Heart Rate 120-128 per minute) If you don't have a treadmill do a power walk outside, start with 35 minutes four times aw week andd gradually work your way up to 5-6 days 45 minute sessions, only increase cardio when weigh loss gets very slow. If you are still not losing, then your diet is not on track, plain and simple, nothing beats a good diet not even cardio. When you go to the gym someone your size should get about 25-30 grams of low glycemic carbs with 25-30 grams of protein, this will ensure proper energy for a great workout. When you lift weights it's an anaerobic excercise your body uses carbs for fuel, if no carbs in body, your body will break down muscle and turn it into sugar via neucleogenesis. So do your cardio in the morning if possible, wait an hour or two then hit the weights. You will be on a fast track to fat loss, sorry no paragraphs, free advice so deal with it. :)

AndrewAV's photo
Thu 12/10/09 11:59 PM


gosh everything i have read says i should eat within a half hour of rising. I always have oatmeal in the morning before i work out.



They are not assuming you are going to do morning cardio, lol! Morning cardio on an empty stomach at a slow pace keeping your heart rate between 120-130 will cause a dramatic decrease in bodyfat. Trust me on this, my word is gold when it comes to training and dieting!


It depends on intensity though. i can't ride on an empty stomach. i normally wake, eat some cereal with a banana on it, get on the eliptical for 20 minutes to warm up and then stretch before my ride. But again, I've started riding so hard that I hit a wall about an hour in if I don't eat.

As for which first, I've always preferred riding early and then lifting in the early afternoon or evening. When I'm not in crazy cardio mode, I alternate days. then again, I'm not lifting for mass though, just to keep myself toned. If I did them together, my cardio wears out my body and I've nothing left to lift. If I do lifting first, I'm tired, but it's more because my arms are dead so i can still ride just fine if I eat before I head out.

CathyLyn's photo
Fri 12/11/09 11:16 AM
Edited by CathyLyn on Fri 12/11/09 11:22 AM
I am 56 and very serious:

I need advise on a couple of things. I would like it from a person that's very knowledgable, hopefully a personal trainer if there is one on here. Bring unemployed now I can no longer afford one.

First if all, I use to be 315# 2 years ago. I'm on a mission towards healthier life style, and a more physically fit person as a whole. I'm doing this for me. I am now 150#. My goal is 135#. I'm almost there. I've lost a whole entire person. That's the good thing. :-)

My problem is not losting weight at the moment, but more about how to get the excess skin back where it should be, firm and toned with a slight defintion (not bodybuilding physique). For instance: Underneath the upper arms, the swinging effect, when I wave or hold them up in movement. I have dimples all over my body, and my tummy just will not firm up regardless how many crunches (3 different kinds) I do. I know this is just goss and I am so self conscience about it. So I dress accordingly, to hide. I look good in my clothes. But.... I wouldn't dare wear a bathing suite at this point. This is probably too much info. lol But I'm seriously deseperate in getting the kind of body I want and maintain it.

I workout 3 to 4 times a week, cardio, weight training, walking, cycling, swimming in the summer months, follow Slim 6 and even Pro 90. I pay close attention to form and alternate muscle groups. I also eat clean, paying close attention to everything I put in my mouth. I log everything I eat so I will stay on track. I also drink lots of water to flush the impurities and to maintain hydration.

What else can I do? I'm at a loss.... Please can anyone help?

I'm in Houston, Texas and would like to have a workout buddy(s), maybe that will help as well.

Thank you in advance for your productive positive advise.

PS: I've had spinal surgery - cervical fusions at three levels (1994), and bad knees, so I can not run. Doctors only want me cycling and swimming. That just isn't getting it.... Due to medications taken in the past, in addition to recovery time from surgery, I have lost a great deal of muscle tissue.

Disclaimer: I will not hold anyone responsible for the advise freely given. I am an adult responsible for my own actions.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Fri 12/11/09 02:32 PM

Is it better to do cardio first and warm up and then go do weight training or vice versa or doesn't matter?


I do weights first. I never warm up for weight lifting, but to warm up for cardio, I do a few stretches, start slowly, and build up to full speed.

Scott3895's photo
Fri 12/11/09 09:17 PM

I am 56 and very serious:

I need advise on a couple of things. I would like it from a person that's very knowledgable, hopefully a personal trainer if there is one on here. Bring unemployed now I can no longer afford one.

First if all, I use to be 315# 2 years ago. I'm on a mission towards healthier life style, and a more physically fit person as a whole. I'm doing this for me. I am now 150#. My goal is 135#. I'm almost there. I've lost a whole entire person. That's the good thing. :-)

My problem is not losting weight at the moment, but more about how to get the excess skin back where it should be, firm and toned with a slight defintion (not bodybuilding physique). For instance: Underneath the upper arms, the swinging effect, when I wave or hold them up in movement. I have dimples all over my body, and my tummy just will not firm up regardless how many crunches (3 different kinds) I do. I know this is just goss and I am so self conscience about it. So I dress accordingly, to hide. I look good in my clothes. But.... I wouldn't dare wear a bathing suite at this point. This is probably too much info. lol But I'm seriously deseperate in getting the kind of body I want and maintain it.

I workout 3 to 4 times a week, cardio, weight training, walking, cycling, swimming in the summer months, follow Slim 6 and even Pro 90. I pay close attention to form and alternate muscle groups. I also eat clean, paying close attention to everything I put in my mouth. I log everything I eat so I will stay on track. I also drink lots of water to flush the impurities and to maintain hydration.

What else can I do? I'm at a loss.... Please can anyone help?

I'm in Houston, Texas and would like to have a workout buddy(s), maybe that will help as well.

Thank you in advance for your productive positive advise.

PS: I've had spinal surgery - cervical fusions at three levels (1994), and bad knees, so I can not run. Doctors only want me cycling and swimming. That just isn't getting it.... Due to medications taken in the past, in addition to recovery time from surgery, I have lost a great deal of muscle tissue.

Disclaimer: I will not hold anyone responsible for the advise freely given. I am an adult responsible for my own actions.




I won't really be on here until Monday, Saturday Sunday very briefly if I have time I'll adjust something for the mean time what is your exact diet??



Stomach crunches WILL NOT GIVE YOU ABS, ABS ARE THE RESULT OF DIET AND AND LOW BODYFAT. (not yelling but trying to get it to imprint i your heads) No Those people you see on TV didn't get abs from doing 5000 situps a day, they got abs because they did situps and stuck to a low calorie diet which caused their stomach muscles to be displayed over little adipose (fat) tissue! (not yelling but trying to imprint it in your mind)


If your skin is excessively lose at your age, surgery is the only cure. No if's, ands, or butts about it.


What kind of meds are you taking?? I didn't read your whole post, cause if I did I wouldn't have time to respond, just looked over it briefly so I may have missed it. Are you diabetic? Do you need insulin? You can get to 135 by diet alone, cardio will make it happen faster, but if you can't run, learn to WALK!, Walking is more effective for fat loss anyways! Running is more effective for weight loss, big difference!






CathyLyn's photo
Sat 12/12/09 01:10 AM
Edited by CathyLyn on Sat 12/12/09 01:11 AM


I am 56 and very serious:

I need advise on a couple of things. I would like it from a person that's very knowledgable, hopefully a personal trainer if there is one on here. Bring unemployed now I can no longer afford one.

First if all, I use to be 315# 2 years ago. I'm on a mission towards healthier life style, and a more physically fit person as a whole. I'm doing this for me. I am now 150#. My goal is 135#. I'm almost there. I've lost a whole entire person. That's the good thing. :-)

My problem is not losting weight at the moment, but more about how to get the excess skin back where it should be, firm and toned with a slight defintion (not bodybuilding physique). For instance: Underneath the upper arms, the swinging effect, when I wave or hold them up in movement. I have dimples all over my body, and my tummy just will not firm up regardless how many crunches (3 different kinds) I do. I know this is just goss and I am so self conscience about it. So I dress accordingly, to hide. I look good in my clothes. But.... I wouldn't dare wear a bathing suite at this point. This is probably too much info. lol But I'm seriously deseperate in getting the kind of body I want and maintain it.

I workout 3 to 4 times a week, cardio, weight training, walking, cycling, swimming in the summer months, follow Slim 6 and even Pro 90. I pay close attention to form and alternate muscle groups. I also eat clean, paying close attention to everything I put in my mouth. I log everything I eat so I will stay on track. I also drink lots of water to flush the impurities and to maintain hydration.

What else can I do? I'm at a loss.... Please can anyone help?

I'm in Houston, Texas and would like to have a workout buddy(s), maybe that will help as well.

Thank you in advance for your productive positive advise.

PS: I've had spinal surgery - cervical fusions at three levels (1994), and bad knees, so I can not run. Doctors only want me cycling and swimming. That just isn't getting it.... Due to medications taken in the past, in addition to recovery time from surgery, I have lost a great deal of muscle tissue.

Disclaimer: I will not hold anyone responsible for the advise freely given. I am an adult responsible for my own actions.




I won't really be on here until Monday, Saturday Sunday very briefly if I have time I'll adjust something for the mean time what is your exact diet??



Stomach crunches WILL NOT GIVE YOU ABS, ABS ARE THE RESULT OF DIET AND AND LOW BODYFAT. (not yelling but trying to get it to imprint i your heads) No Those people you see on TV didn't get abs from doing 5000 situps a day, they got abs because they did situps and stuck to a low calorie diet which caused their stomach muscles to be displayed over little adipose (fat) tissue! (not yelling but trying to imprint it in your mind)


If your skin is excessively lose at your age, surgery is the only cure. No if's, ands, or butts about it.


What kind of meds are you taking?? I didn't read your whole post, cause if I did I wouldn't have time to respond, just looked over it briefly so I may have missed it. Are you diabetic? Do you need insulin? You can get to 135 by diet alone, cardio will make it happen faster, but if you can't run, learn to WALK!, Walking is more effective for fat loss anyways! Running is more effective for weight loss, big difference!


I am not currently taking any meds or diabetic and surgery (snip and tuck) isn't an option for me. I've been following the South Beach Diet.

Scott3895's photo
Sat 12/12/09 06:29 AM



I am 56 and very serious:

I need advise on a couple of things. I would like it from a person that's very knowledgable, hopefully a personal trainer if there is one on here. Bring unemployed now I can no longer afford one.

First if all, I use to be 315# 2 years ago. I'm on a mission towards healthier life style, and a more physically fit person as a whole. I'm doing this for me. I am now 150#. My goal is 135#. I'm almost there. I've lost a whole entire person. That's the good thing. :-)

My problem is not losting weight at the moment, but more about how to get the excess skin back where it should be, firm and toned with a slight defintion (not bodybuilding physique). For instance: Underneath the upper arms, the swinging effect, when I wave or hold them up in movement. I have dimples all over my body, and my tummy just will not firm up regardless how many crunches (3 different kinds) I do. I know this is just goss and I am so self conscience about it. So I dress accordingly, to hide. I look good in my clothes. But.... I wouldn't dare wear a bathing suite at this point. This is probably too much info. lol But I'm seriously deseperate in getting the kind of body I want and maintain it.

I workout 3 to 4 times a week, cardio, weight training, walking, cycling, swimming in the summer months, follow Slim 6 and even Pro 90. I pay close attention to form and alternate muscle groups. I also eat clean, paying close attention to everything I put in my mouth. I log everything I eat so I will stay on track. I also drink lots of water to flush the impurities and to maintain hydration.

What else can I do? I'm at a loss.... Please can anyone help?

I'm in Houston, Texas and would like to have a workout buddy(s), maybe that will help as well.

Thank you in advance for your productive positive advise.

PS: I've had spinal surgery - cervical fusions at three levels (1994), and bad knees, so I can not run. Doctors only want me cycling and swimming. That just isn't getting it.... Due to medications taken in the past, in addition to recovery time from surgery, I have lost a great deal of muscle tissue.

Disclaimer: I will not hold anyone responsible for the advise freely given. I am an adult responsible for my own actions.




I won't really be on here until Monday, Saturday Sunday very briefly if I have time I'll adjust something for the mean time what is your exact diet??



Stomach crunches WILL NOT GIVE YOU ABS, ABS ARE THE RESULT OF DIET AND AND LOW BODYFAT. (not yelling but trying to get it to imprint i your heads) No Those people you see on TV didn't get abs from doing 5000 situps a day, they got abs because they did situps and stuck to a low calorie diet which caused their stomach muscles to be displayed over little adipose (fat) tissue! (not yelling but trying to imprint it in your mind)


If your skin is excessively lose at your age, surgery is the only cure. No if's, ands, or butts about it.


What kind of meds are you taking?? I didn't read your whole post, cause if I did I wouldn't have time to respond, just looked over it briefly so I may have missed it. Are you diabetic? Do you need insulin? You can get to 135 by diet alone, cardio will make it happen faster, but if you can't run, learn to WALK!, Walking is more effective for fat loss anyways! Running is more effective for weight loss, big difference!


I am not currently taking any meds or diabetic and surgery (snip and tuck) isn't an option for me. I've been following the South Beach Diet.



I don't know the premesis of the South Beach diet, I don't do cookie cutter type diets. So please give me an example of what you eat.

CathyLyn's photo
Sat 12/12/09 10:41 AM
Edited by CathyLyn on Sat 12/12/09 10:58 AM
Breakfast: 6 egg whites cooked in raw veggies, onion, bell pepper, tomato, skim white cheese, 1 slice candian bacon, cup of green tea plain, 2 glasses of tap water.

3 hrs later 4 raw celery stalks, with 1 Tsp peanut butter glass of tap water

lunch: Romain lettuce wrap hummus spread, tuna, tomatoe,

3 hrs later: 1 pakg of cheese and peanutbutter crackers. glass of green tea plain, and glass of water

Dinner: raw veggie salad (cucumber, yellow and green quash, bell pepper, tomatoe, celery, purple onion, 2 Tbsp feta cheese, 1 Tbsp of oil and vinger

2 hours later: grapefruit, glass of water.

Sometimes I have a homemade fresh fruit smooth with whey protien powder, glass of water and maybe a black coffee. to replace an early meal. breakfast or lunch.

If I use it, it's seasalt and fresh cracked pepper. 1 Tbsp Balamic vingar and 1 tsp brown mustard. (snacks): For that sweet tooth urge, sometimes I treat myself to homemade surgarfree tapioka or jello and homemade lemon ice, and sometimes a grab a handful of raw almonds

If I endulge in a glass of wine, it's red (not dessert) and only one glass half-full.

oh so thats what South Beach Diets are called. I didn't kow, I started this on my own without guidance... How should I be eating and what should I eat then? Most of what I eat is baked, boiled or broiled without skin, fish, chicken, no beef. and no more than 3 oz, once in a while I treat myself to a couple of slices of roastbeef. not to often. And I usually eat alot of raw and steamed veggies. I put lemon or lime fresh queezed juice on my foods and water.


CathyLyn's photo
Wed 12/23/09 07:15 PM
Scott since it's the Fall Season

I haven't been doing much of anything the last month. I haven't been seeing any difference in what I was doing... I would like for you to working up a routine. I usually workout first thing in the morning around 6am..... depending on my work schedule which is a flex. I never know from week to week when I will be working. So I plan as soon as I get my work schedule.

6:o am stretches, 6:15am 15 min cardio Epillical alternating speeds really fast then average, then really fast as I can go for 1 min or 2, 6:30am muscel group for the day (alternate every other day) in between workout days, I walk or cycle 4 to 8 miles increasing a little each time depending on weather.

Upper body:
25# dumbell. arms, I don't know the names of the exercises.

mondays:
push ups 1 min, not too good on this one. I do 1 at a time, I can not do 2 continueous yet.

holding out: 25pulse, 25flexes, dumbells for a 1 mins each. Up, out and straightforward and back reach arcoss both sides positions

25 pulls downs with stretch bands 1 min.
25 pull ups and holds 1 min.
stretch

back next to chair seat, hands on seat, lift body up with arms, 3 of 25 is goal, I can only do 1 at a time. and I do wall pushes, 3 of 25, I can complete these.

Wednesdays:
middle, back, abs (core).

3 different types:

1) on back legs up, hands under butt. push feet up as high as I can lifting butt off floor and hold 1 min. each set x 3 of 25

2) raise shoulders up off floor, touching knees with elbows, crisscross manner. 3 of 25

3) holding legs up off of floor 3 inches for 1 min, while raising and holding shoulders off floor,3 of 25


get on forearms, and toes, nothing touching no belly, no knees, and hold for 1 min, 3 of 25

laying on stomach: rearching out lifting chest (ribcage) off floor while lifting legs up and holding, 1 min 3 of 25

stretch


Fridays:

Legs: lunging steps 100 feet there and back.

1)lifting knees high while holding hands out straight in front, hitting palm of hands, 100 feet there and back.

2)Soldier walk 100 feet there and back.

3) down on floor, holding body up, with forearm on the side,and one leg slightly bent, the other lifting slow and hold 1 min out in front and back, 3 of 25 alternate legs.

4) jumping jacks, 3 of 25

5)down on all fours: lift legs back and up 3 of 25

6) run in place or 100 feet there and back on toes with knees bent.

Tuesdays: weather permitting I walk the neighborhood 4 to 8 miles.

Thursdays, I cycle 4 to 8 miles

Saturdays: mow and acer of yard with push mower and weedeat all the way around perimeter and objects, ditches. 4 to 5 hours constant taking 5 min break every hour. Rolling 4 feet in diameter and 2 to 4 foot in length tree trunks to the road, 175 feet I try to get at least 8 out each saturday. If I can't roll because they may not be round, I pull with dolly.

That's about it... for the fall season.

Thanks Scott, Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a great start to the New Year towards the end results you choose.\