Poppycock!

Reality confirms rising temps.

Because the planatary system is redistributing the H2O. The engine is altering the pattern for the next cycle. Tempetures will likely fluctuate well beyond expected norms in strange ways all over the planet...

so I say poppycORK.

Reality is far more complicated than a science based on false premises.

Have you ever read the study done when China shut down the Industries to clean the air before the Olympics?

If you can't find it I'll see if I can.

I read it once. It's pretty convincing scientific evidence.

Off course such a thing would cause local flucations... any place where a change occures creates a moving carbon footprint in the atmosphere...

Yet the earth adjusts faster than you think... and continues to plod on upon ITS own cycles...

and while people rush to and fro in their mad dash for better grants... The real truth eludes them... Though each has a part of the truth.

That's for the glory of China. Temporary shut downs won't help, i wonder how many were laid off from for months from factories for that. It was nothing but a publicity stunt by China, just like how they shot weather rockets into the sky to clear the storm clouds for the openings.

The olympic event fueled so much money, that the treasury of China didn't really loose a lot by having these polluting factories shut down, but the people did. The Olympics generate billions of dollars and so is why it's always a big fuss which country gets the next turn.

For them, it would be impossible to shut down their factories permanently, it would be a complete disaster for both the working Chinese and the cutbacks of production and global sales.

Did our 'climate scientists' bother to gather data on the damage caused by the build up to and holding of the olympics themselves... If not they wastd a perfect opportunity to test their theories in the real world...

I wonder if the 'footprint' of that olympics is still leaving signs of its passage.

They weren't planning on a permanent shut down.
They just didn't want the tourists to see how bad things really were. Also the Athletes!

It was a good time for scientist to study the effects on global temp and pollution on a grand scale. Going from one of the worst air qualities in the world to an almost complete 180.
The change was extreme. Once in a lifetime opportunity.

Bull. The reality confirms that the temps have been declining for over a decade.

That's why they had to falsify the data.

Yes they studied that too.

What?!!! We put a man on the moon when I was two years old, and when I was a kid we were using this thing called the Space Shuttle. Carl Sagan used science to predict the high surface temperatures on Venus in the early 1960's. It isn't like the 1970'ws were some sort of dark ages for science or humanities.


I'm not certain. Why? Because as much as people are saying that the data is telling us that we are going into global warming, back then the data was saying that we were heading into the next ice age.

Here is the global temperature anomality from 1880 to present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

Yeah, the data on face value is saying things are getting warmer, but back then the temperatures were saying it was getting cooler. It has nothing to do with the "bad being wrong due to inaccuracies" - it is that there is just a shift. Models are questionable at best because they're all based on assumptions that are programmed into them and the variation to them. I design components for cars, and if we had to use the accuracy from climate models, I'm not sure people would want to drive a car. And the causes for ice ages could be continental shifts, solar output, changes in the orbital path of our planet, and volcanoes - I saw today an article where humans were almost eradicated by a effects of a volcanic incident.

Also, though the focus has been on manipulations of small sets of data, the disturbing trend is the discrediting of scientists that pose alternative views. If it is disproving the theory, that is one thing. However, this got to the level of destroying careers for offering their view. Why? Part of the problem may be (a) professional jealousy and (b) frankly, follow the money. And note that there have been 4 set that we know ... maybe there are more - who knows.

That's the problem with what has happened here. At the very least, I have come to the conclusion of one of the climate warming supporters that has noted that at the very least the data will have to be reviewed and reanalyzed.

Now I agree that just making more pollution because you can probably isn't the best. But one of my problems with the conclusion is that it seems awfully simplistic for execution. We're just going to force China to stop polluting? The world can't even get Iran to stop developing nuclear technology. And what are you going to do if a country just doesn't want to listen? Are you going to invade them?

And this doesn't even touch the subject that we are in the middle of a global recession, so very few countries have the stomach to address the issue due to effects on economy. Everyone keeps promising more "green jobs," but it doesn't help that the UN shreaded the documentation that showed how much it really cost for them to go green. Many European countries has promised to meet certain environmental targets in the past but have not met them. I guess the US could go to Coperhagen, promise, and then not meet them so we can fit in.

You see where I'm coming from here? The thing is that I want to believe, but (a) there seems to be mercurial to non-existant disclosure being put forward and (b) no one has really explained how it is going to happen and be enforced. Thus I become skeptical.

Pretty close.
I'm what 7 yrs your senior.
I was born in Florida. My father worked at the Cape during the early years of the space program.
We moved here to WNC when I was 3. (1963)
We moved here so my dad could help build a satellite communication station. A Station, (one of many built around the globe) so NASA could stay in communication with the Space Capsules as the orbited the globe. They built the because there were no satellites at all.
We left here in 1973 and went to Washington. My dad worked at Goddard. He worked on one of the first satellites ever put in space by the US, and I'll guarantee you it wasn't put up there to watch the weather. The quality of photographs it took were not that good either. This was the beginning of the technology of satellites.
Later we moved to NM, but that was so he could work on defense contracts so I won't go into that.

Super Computers have been around for awhile. But, they were restricted to the Governments use. For the longest time they weren't available for civilian use because they were considered vital to National Security.
When I graduated HS in 1978, the Internet as we know it today was non-existent. It would be years before we even saw that in peoples house.
When they predicted the temp of Venus. They were looking up from earth, not down at it. Something they couldn't do to earth. Satellites did not come about until the early to mid 70 s. And those weren't studying climate change.

The first (successful) weather satellite was launched in 1960, and the Nimbus program (used for meteorological research and development) began launches in the mid 1960's.

Hey man,
I took your post to heart and looked it up.
You're right the first Nimbus was launched in 1964, but it was basically a prototype and only a first look at weather. Leading to the ability to make 3-5 day weather forecast possible for the first time.

They were refined over the following years, but it was not until Nimbus 7 (1978) that they were really able to make a contribution to the Ozone hole and climate change. That was because of data collected from Nimbus 7 over the period between 1978 and 1994.

Thanks for making me expand my knowledge.

I'm interested.
If you are so into science, how can you doubt the global warming science?

I dunno if the planet is warming or cooling

but you can be guarateed it's one or the other

the one thing the planet is NOT doing is sitting static and unchanging

It has always been changing. I'll agree with that, but it's the rate at which its changing now that is setting off the alarm bells.