Absolutely thats what I am saying. If the whole world is decieved they you have to see that mainstream religions are not the saints.

We do not want to believe that and make up all kinds of excuses why the 144000 a very specific number does not mean that.

The 13th Apostle just like the 13th tribe is the ones we see in rev 7 11 giving thier lives for Yahshua after they have found out who the 2 witnesses really were.


Thats why we see rev 14 and another group of people in Rev 15.

One is Royalty as in Marriage and the other are priests doing the work at the end.


The Mark is not something that can be seen as evil it will be seen as a believer and billions wear that mark everyday and believe it protects them.


So we are told to study to show yourself approved. Approved of what?

We are also told the path is wide that leads to destruction ( the billions who refuse to believe) and narrow is the way to eternal live.

As Yahshua son of nun entered the narrow path between 2 large hills/mountains on thier way to the promice land it is the same today for those who seek the promiced land.


As the Preacher said.."Thier is nothing New Under the Sun" blessings...Miles

Miles..... if the mainstream religion and/or their religious scriptures are part of the deception then why are you quoting for them as if they are not ...because wouldn't the deception include any and all religions and their religious scriptures including yours

the bible and/or other religious scriptures are quite logical...but it's the unspecifics that give in to deception such as the use of parables or making a claim that some of the stories are metaphoric

Yahshua/Jesus made it a point to only speak in parables and in his message he clearly intended to deceive the people and even have some believing that he was God ...asked if he was God all he had to do was say either yes or no but instead he used parable such as "God and I are one" ....

if he answered yes that he was God then it would have been simple for him to prove that he was indeed God but by using parables he didn't have to prove anything and could always use the excuse that his message was mis-interpeted

and that brings us back to the mark of the beast ....there are no specifics are to what it is but it is said to be knowingly used and anti-god ...the only anti-god when it comes to humans is when Adam and Eve were kicked out of Heaven because they choose knowledge over God ...technology/knowledge is the only thing that equates to anti-god because both replaces the need for God

at the end of his life he did declare he was the I AM that is part of Yahweh's name that Moses heard from the burning bush when he asked who should i say sent me.

I read from the same book as most chr-stians do. We have a bible that has alot of corrections in it but i do not need to read from it to understand where the miisunderstanding comes from.. If i am speaking with anyone it is much more understandable if i read from what they are reading from and show where the religious elite has taken custom and replaced the bible with it.


The bible to them is it must conform to the customs not the customs must conform to the bible to be true.

This is why Yahshua came the 1st time to take away the words that was against us. Man made customs. Same today.


No one and i mean no one can understand prophecy if they do not understand the Torah and live it. Yahshua was the living breathing Torah.

Doing away with it is directly from satan and his helpers or 666. They are the custom bearers that take the truth from the scriptures and turn thier miniisters into ministers of light who take a flock following them when they are blind and fall into the ditch.

Not that all thses billions of people are bad in any way they just do not know any better. They follow the customs of thier elders instead of letting the Holy Spirit guide them because it is prophecied that no man would say know Yahweh for they will all know of him.

thats where the 2 witnesses come in and for the whole world to hate the 2 who it is said are 2 lampstands that are before Yahweh's throne then you must have billions of people who has been decieved by satan.

The evangel by noway has been heard around the world and will not untill these 2 show up. It is a false one that has spread.

The only way to understand prophecy is to obey.. and to obey is saying who your Elohim really is. As Yahshua the son of Nun said..As for me and my house we will worship Yahweh.


Its not hard at all to see and understand what is going on if you give it a real hard look and study to shew yourself approved then all around you u will see the Beast system rising up.... Blessings.of Shalom...Miles

i have a tatoo of a pentacle..its sweet designed it myself....
as for the beast...there is no beast..just light and dark, life and death, love and indifferance...the beast is just a face humans made to explain away their short commings....the opposite of love is indifferance not hate..think on that and see if you can figure out why

...live spelled backwards is evil

a few years back when I was attending church regularly, our Sunday School class wanted to study Revelations

the Pastor of the Church said no

he said that Revelations is too metaphoric and ambiguous and we couldn't interpret it succesfully or realistically. He said actually no one can

so I wouldn't actually expect anyone in here to be able to either

sounds like the rest of the bible...open to various interpretations...and yes i have studied it at great length...as well as many other beliefs..knowledge is power....lol

Why because what it says is so foriegn? Yahshua said I am not of this world and it can be interpreted but customs make it impossible for those who do them..Shalom...Miles

Does anyone here read Hebrew?

This site may help with understanding the book of Revelation:
http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_Links.html

then you are suggesting "Blind Faith"...and that THE BEAST could only be "CHOICE" and those that do not make the choice of following Yahshua/Jesus and worshipping Yahweh will get the Mark ...this is the same as Christianity ..the mark is just what will identify those that will enter Hell....and again this is why there is no "Free Will" because with either choice you are forced to have to deal with threats.... you're damn if you do and damn if you don't

I can read some Hebrew. can use study lexicons and The Englishmans concordance is an excellent study help. Yet you do not have to read Hebrew to understand the scriptures.

The OT has been left alone noone cares about it so it has been preserved for us. The OT does not have to agree with the new. Its the oppisite. Yet blindly eveyone wants to say whatever they want because they got rid of the Basics and now call it just history.

I am glad or hope you can see that the NT was not written in Greek to begin with. The flow of sentences shows a Hebrew influence .just like When Yahshua said to forgive them when he was dying. They could not translate it write so they used the Hebrew. Shalom...Miles

Oh, but I do care about the OT, this has always been an issue with myself and most Christians. I understand how the scribes copied the scrolls and I'm confident that they are consistent through each copy. The Dead Sea Scrolls are evidence of that I believe.

I'm also aware that the NT wasn't written in Greek, that is why I asked if anyone could read Hebrew.
I came across something on the internet that scared me a little and I was hoping to get a second source of confirmation before I check for myself. If you could, please translate this verse.

Luke 10:18 (KJV)

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.


And the source used this passage (Satans words?) to determine the context or definition of "heaven".

Isaiah 14:14 (KJV)

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

I am not sure what you are talking about exactly here. Satan and his angels still go back and forth to heaven as seen in Jude and Job. He is not cast out for good untill the 2 winesses are done with thier testimony of spreading the Evangel through out the whole world which the world hates and so does satan.

When Satan does kill them then they are seen being called to heaven Satan goes after them again madder than heck. But Michael is sent to stop him and he and his angels/demons are banned forever more.

This is when we see him going after the assembly of 144000 saints but not really they were protected just as satan told Yahweh job has a hedge around him take it away and he will cuss u to your face.

The Ephriam Prophecy then comes into effect as his tribe is not numbered making him the 13th tribe to do great wonders of people coming to the father. Just as Barnabus was chosen the 12th apostle yet he became Pauls companion as Paul was Yahshua's chosen vessel ..The Apostles did not like this the same as Joseph did not like Ephriam getting the greater blessing.


Satan will call fire down from the heavens as did EliYah but it will be decieving. Lasers maybe who knows. So that passage is just refering to that.


In Isaiah hesays he is going to rise above the heavens. He has always believed through pride he could.

At the tower of babel Nimrod was trying this also before Yahweh scattered them. From other texts Satan who's name we see as lucifer is a lie. His name is Helel just as the other Angels.. El is a judge or the spirit world all the angels names end in El.


So Satan was at the tower of Babel trying to get Nimrod to do exactly as is quoted in Isaiah 14... Many other horendus acts were done thier but they are not in the canon but if true we better watch out because we are being desisized as we speak through the media making Evil good and good evil....Shalom...Miles

Please forgive me, I meant the Hebrew (Aramaic?) words .
I'll email you my question

*Edit - can't email you, I'm not female. It may be too far-fetched anyways.

Revelations 13:18
As Peter_Pan69 stated,in this scripture,it is written that the mark of the beast will be the number 666.It is also written that without this number,man will not be able to buy or sell,which means you can not go in a store to buy food or anything else you need.You can not sell anything to aquire money to buy.You can and will be put to death for not accepting this number,in whatever way the government chooses to force upon man.This will all take place once the New World Order is established.That is what the governments are working toward now in many ways that a lot of people do not recognise.

You should be able to email me now..i am interested in what u have to say.. u might find some writings i happen to know about that may make alot of sence for this day and age..Shalom...Miles

Mark of the Beast. It's Literal. St.John didn't see it in a dream. He was a witness to the events that would take place in a future in which we are now living. He was taken in Spirit and was showed all the things that are spelled out in Revelation.

Firstly, it's not John's Revelation as it is written in almost all the Bibles. It's the revelation of Jesus Christ of the things that will come to pass shortly (actually the exact translation is suddenly and not shortly).

The sequence of events, as many believe, will not occur in the order that they're appearing in the Revelation i.e., events in Rev.17 may occur first followed by events spellec out in Rev.14 and vice-versa.

Only with the help of the Holy Spirit can we able to comprehend not just Revelation but the entire Bible.

The first mark was a literal mark which was given to Kane by the Lord after he murdered his brother.

The Levite priests had tied around their foreheads the Words "Holy to the Lord" inscribed in Gold Tapestry which was a kind of Mark.

The Angels of the Lord mark the servants of the Lord in the end times to protect them against evil.

History repeats itself. The Lord will mark his followers so will the god of this world. But this mark will carry with it the fierce rage of God for whosoever accepts it will be thrown into the lake of fire in the afterlife.

The mark is not metaphorical, it's real, it's arrived and will sooner or later confront us. It's just a question of when. Mostly it'll be of a Verichip kind since it has an RF Transciever and can function perpetually powered by the electric current passing through a kind of vein which is found only in the right hand and forehead. It can send as well as receive information and that'll be the means of controlling the masses.

Nothing in the Bible is in there by accident but it is by intelligent design far beyond what our fallible human minds can comprehend. But the Holy Spirit is the revealer of God's Word. So take the help of the Holy Spirit in reading the Bible. He'll bring to light several verses and their meanings which were hitherto unknown or had missed our understanding.

THE MARK IS REAL, WE MUST NOT TAKE IT. But first it'll creep into the Society and will become an indispensable tool just as electricity is right now. We must be also alert in our spirit and must use discernment to recognize the mark, in whatever form it may come.

We can only be beheaded for not taking the Mark. But there's one thing to be happy about. We have the rest of eternity spread out before us and Jesus Christ Standing at the Gates of Heaven with His arms wide open ready to wipe our tears as we come out of the Great Tribulation into His Arms.

In Him
Madhusudhan.S

what you are describing is Human Nature and has been happenning since Adam and Eve was kicked out of the Garden ...because haven't you notice that one's color or nationality can seen as being the mark of the beast or a 666......even when you have the money and walked into a store they would not allow you to eat or buy there or/and some government even endorsed ethnic cleansing and of course all of this is due to God's Will and all part of his divine plan

this is why the purpose of the beast whether literal, metaphoric or a dream is to threaten and scare people into obedience..all those that do not obey blindly and without question will get the mark...this is why those that knowingly sin in front of the eyes of God will get this Mark