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Topic: If you believe in something does that make it Real?
AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:14 PM
Does our belief make it so?

Or does IT SO make our belief?

What is reality to you?

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Mon 06/04/07 06:21 PM
This is going to be fun.

HangedMan's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:23 PM
If I believe in dragons does that make them real? Don't think so.

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Mon 06/04/07 06:25 PM
HangedMan,
Did you read in current events? An 8yo was recently mauled by a
dragon. Honest!

Differentkindofwench's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:25 PM
Have to go with it SO makes the belief. With most things, if I hadn't
experienced it - I would still be skeptical.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:27 PM
ahhhh AB..philosophy 101 laugh
I guess it makes it real to the person who believes it.

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Mon 06/04/07 06:30 PM
AB you know I've pondered this long and hard for a time now. I think and
feel that it makes our belief, that yes there is something out there far
greater than us or that we can even imagine, it is through this I have
come to the point I am now at.

HangedMan's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:30 PM
Yes but Komodo dragons aren't the kind I'm refering to. Now if it had
swooped down on the boy and toasted him with it's fiery breath that
would be a different story. :smile:

Jess642's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:31 PM
My reality is not your reality.

My thoughts and projections, experiences and beliefs are mine.

My potential for creating realities is as vast and untapped as the
universe...

It is as vast as my imagination, and they are my realities that I choose
to project.

I can create my reality.

herewego's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:37 PM
AB.. well, i believe it would depend on the person.. each person is
different in their beliefs and how they feel..

me personally.. i think it so makes my belief..

iRon's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:38 PM
I think it depends on the level or quality or open minded a person is.

1. To some their reality is the only reality and they are incapable of
understanding that we all have self realism and further more have the
right to our self reality.

2. Then there are those who have self reality and are secure in their
belief and have the ability to celebrate others realities.

3. Then there who just don't give a damn.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:38 PM
We all create our reality.

Where they meet is a bit hazy to me though (although Jess I would have
no problem shareing your reality. It is a beautifil one).

A person that is hellbent on changing my reality will allways make
ripples in it to some extent. But my reality is strong enough to
withstand their storms from time to time. It helps clear the air.

Would be nice to be able to 'create' those people out of my sight but I
have not progressed to that point yet.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:40 PM
Sorry Jess..I have to disagree..yes your thoughts and experiences our
yours and you have a unique reality then anyone else...but using your
Imagination to project your "reality" is Fantasy.

HangedMan's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:41 PM
Yes you can create your reality but does that mean it's right.
The insane often live in their own reality but we lock them up for
various reasons.
Hell, Charlie Manson has his own reality, but I wouldn't want to live in
it. Imagination is not real it is a creation of the mind. I can imagine
myself the richest man in the world but that does not make it so.

Jess642's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:41 PM
When the imagination is used to design ideas, and thoughts, and
projected into action, it becomes one's reality.

There are perceived threats, emotions, that can become reality, and yet
is originally only a seed in the imagination.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:42 PM
If you live within it is it fantasy to you?

We get input from all around us and then modify the world to be as we
believe it is.

Because I see things you do not does not make them unreal. Just makes
them not a part of your reality.

Jess642's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:44 PM
I will go further with an example...

To see something, and to examine it, then to imagine yourself doing it,
then working towards creating that into reality, your own reality.

I can create my realities through, (or from) my imagination...

My belief.

Duffy's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:47 PM
the only thing real is change and that is constant.:wink:

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:48 PM
Imagination vs. belief
Imagination differs fundamentally from belief because the subject
understands that what is personally invented by the mind does not
necessarily impact the course of action taken in the apparently shared
world while beliefs are part of what one holds as truths about both the
shared and personal worlds. The play of imagination, apart from the
obvious limitations (e.g. of avoiding explicit self-contradiction), is
conditioned only by the general trend of the mind at a given moment.
Belief, on the other hand, is immediately related to practical activity:
it is perfectly possible to imagine oneself a millionaire, but unless
one believes it one does not, therefore, act as such. Belief endeavours
to conform to the subjects experienced conditions or faith in the
possibility of those conditions; whereas imagination as such is
specifically free. The dividing line between imagination and belief
varies widely in different stages of technological development. Thus
someone from a primitive culture who is ill frames an ideal
reconstruction of the causes of his illness, and attributes it to the
hostile magic of an enemy based on faith and tradition rather than
science. In ignorance of the science of pathology the subject is
satisfied with this explanation, and actually believes in it, sometimes
to the point of death, due to what is known as the nocebo effect.

It follows that the learned distinction between imagination and belief
depends in practice on religion, tradition, and culture
So Jess you can Imagine yourself as a Millionare...but in reality...you
are not...there is a difference

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 06/04/07 06:48 PM
If there was a world or place where what you believed was exactally what
your reality was and you could shape that reality each moment how would
you take it?

With open arms and joy?

Or with fear?

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