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And yet the Republicans continue to vote as a block against it. Why? What possible motivation could exist? Oh im sure it's mostly to block the democrats. And largely in part of insurance lobbyists. But some, do see the dangers and setbacks of this system, that would be harder to repair than the system we currently have. They tried to fix the current system already, it didn't work. This is where you are wrong. I saw no one cutting red tape....instead they tightened restrictions, and increased staff requirements. I see insurance being used more than ever before. I see medicare not affording their bill. If you can prove to me that they aggressively tackled any of these issues, than i am wrong... But until then, they made no effort to fix anything as far as i'm concerned, or the system by that matter. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Even the military knows an Army cant function unless its healthy and well fed. That's why even the Pvts get good health care. And you do have a point... But... You can't make it a right,, without drafting people into the field. The military doesnt draft drs. The military doesn't have 300 million patients do they? They dont have the hospital system or drs that exist in the private and public sector either. Also, the whole defense budget is small compared to the National budget. Actually the defense budget is about a third if i am not mistaken. The number of docs in the private sector are shrinking, and i highly doubt you will find anyone willing to go to college for 12 years, and collect over $200,000 of debt, just to make $50,000 a year... You said it before. Efficiency. Right now the medical schools are operated on an elitist basis. They are expensive and designed to be self exclusive. Medical degrees are like pedigrees. Father to son to son, etc. Many things could be done to eliminate the cost of medical school and the participation. Partially you are correct. But i know many where this isn't the case. Medical school is merely the cost of your university. Expensive, yes, but so is college. This doesn't not exclude little old me that grew up in a lower/middle class family. Student loans suck, bt we deal. In fact, i know many who got turned away from medical school, whose father's were docs. But here's a thought.... Did you know there is a government regulation limiting the amount of American doctors the U.S. can put out each year? And on a more productive note, how would you make the schooling more efficient? |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Mon 11/30/09 05:57 PM
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And yet the Republicans continue to vote as a block against it. Why? What possible motivation could exist? Oh im sure it's mostly to block the democrats. And largely in part of insurance lobbyists. But some, do see the dangers and setbacks of this system, that would be harder to repair than the system we currently have. They tried to fix the current system already, it didn't work. This is where you are wrong. I saw no one cutting red tape....instead they tightened restrictions, and increased staff requirements. I see insurance being used no more than ever before. I see medicare not affording their bill. If you can prove to me that they aggressively tackled any of these issues, than i am wrong... But until then, they made no effort to fix anything as far as i'm concerned, or the system by that matter. Okay so you don't agree with how they attempted to "fix" it. That doesn't mean that will not be exactly what they do again if we let them "fix" it again. We need the public option. We should be willing to do what it takes to have the public option. As the nation that we are we should be up with the top of the list on care for our citizens, all of our citizens, not just the rich ones. |
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Actually the defense budget is about a third if i am not mistaken.
Right now. Two wars. 21% Less than a quarter. |
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Even the military knows an Army cant function unless its healthy and well fed. That's why even the Pvts get good health care. And you do have a point... But... You can't make it a right,, without drafting people into the field. The military doesnt draft drs. The military doesn't have 300 million patients do they? They dont have the hospital system or drs that exist in the private and public sector either. Also, the whole defense budget is small compared to the National budget. Actually the defense budget is about a third if i am not mistaken. The number of docs in the private sector are shrinking, and i highly doubt you will find anyone willing to go to college for 12 years, and collect over $200,000 of debt, just to make $50,000 a year... You said it before. Efficiency. Right now the medical schools are operated on an elitist basis. They are expensive and designed to be self exclusive. Medical degrees are like pedigrees. Father to son to son, etc. Many things could be done to eliminate the cost of medical school and the participation. Partially you are correct. But i know many where this isn't the case. Medical school is merely the cost of your university. Expensive, yes, but so is college. This doesn't not exclude little old me that grew up in a lower/middle class family. Student loans suck, bt we deal. In fact, i know many who got turned away from medical school, whose father's were docs. But here's a thought.... Did you know there is a government regulation limiting the amount of American doctors the U.S. can put out each year? And on a more productive note, how would you make the schooling more efficient? Ahh Ha! The power of the AMA at work. |
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Too many Drs.= Too much competition.= Lower charges.= lower profits and wages.
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Have you ever heard of Hunter Adams?
He's a real man you know. He's real and his struggles to become a Dr. were real. |
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Even the military knows an Army cant function unless its healthy and well fed. That's why even the Pvts get good health care. And you do have a point... But... You can't make it a right,, without drafting people into the field. The military doesnt draft drs. The military doesn't have 300 million patients do they? They dont have the hospital system or drs that exist in the private and public sector either. Also, the whole defense budget is small compared to the National budget. Actually the defense budget is about a third if i am not mistaken. The number of docs in the private sector are shrinking, and i highly doubt you will find anyone willing to go to college for 12 years, and collect over $200,000 of debt, just to make $50,000 a year... You said it before. Efficiency. Right now the medical schools are operated on an elitist basis. They are expensive and designed to be self exclusive. Medical degrees are like pedigrees. Father to son to son, etc. Many things could be done to eliminate the cost of medical school and the participation. Partially you are correct. But i know many where this isn't the case. Medical school is merely the cost of your university. Expensive, yes, but so is college. This doesn't not exclude little old me that grew up in a lower/middle class family. Student loans suck, bt we deal. In fact, i know many who got turned away from medical school, whose father's were docs. But here's a thought.... Did you know there is a government regulation limiting the amount of American doctors the U.S. can put out each year? And on a more productive note, how would you make the schooling more efficient? Ahh Ha! The power of the AMA at work. Yes sir... I don't disagree... Lift the restriction, get more competition. The pharm industry extorts the system plenty too. Add's an extra 25% to total costs. |
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Actually the defense budget is about a third if i am not mistaken. Right now. Two wars. 21% Less than a quarter. Interesting.... |
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$50,000?
These are avgs. 
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$50,000? These are avgs. Where for? That looks like U.S. payscale... |
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Hey.
It's been good talking with you brother but I must go. See ya soon and remember. Follow Me! |
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Military docs are usually doing their resident programs... Or they are career military.
Not a bad deal though... I'm thinking about going that route. |
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$50,000? These are avgs. Where for? That looks like U.S. payscale... Sorry. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Doctor_of_Medicine_(MD)_Degrees/Salary |
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Hey. It's been good talking with you brother but I must go. See ya soon and remember. Follow Me! 
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Military docs are usually doing their resident programs... Or they are career military. Not a bad deal though... I'm thinking about going that route. I heard its recommended for surgeons. Where else can you hope to get that much surgical experience. |
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Peace!
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If you want a fair comparison look towards Japan and Europe. Socialized systems and better care than the US. There is no comparison there. We are entirely different nations leading entirely different lifestyles. THAT has everything to do with health. There is no other nation on earth like us so there is no way to say "well it worked for them..." |
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Re the OP..
Health care (I refuse to call it Obamacare... He has done less to deserve that then he has the Nobel Prize) anyway health care 'reform' as it is currently being debated will have to tax the crud out of everything... as will everything the government does from this point foward... Our government has reached a point of growth where it MUST tax at 40% or better in order to sustain its bloated self. the math is quite easy to do. The hard part is having the guts to put a stop to it feeding on us and SHRINK IT DOWN to the size it is supposed to be. |
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