Topic: How Obamacare taxes the working class (article)
Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 12:35 PM
Uninsured!
LOL

Preexisting condition!

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 12:41 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 11/30/09 12:43 PM



I don't get why we need to spend $2 trillion dollars to replace a healthcare system that 86% of the people are happy with

instead of making a new system why not just spend a fraction of that to get the few uninsured people covered?


Where do you get that figure?
The 86%?

There aren't nearly that many in this country who even have health care. I'm sure the ones without aren't happy with the current situation quiet.


For that matter where do you come up with 2 trillion?

Exaggerating a little there aren't you?


And if 86% are insured and happy why are they begrudging the 14% who can't afford it from being insured?

Why are they that hateful, that trivial, and that little in compassion and humanity?

willing2's photo
Mon 11/30/09 12:49 PM
Like one poster put it, pork. When it gets filled with the excess congress and special interests want, it'll pass.
Most get paid well for their vote. The only one who won't take a bribe is Ron Paul.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 01:38 PM
When they kill the Public Option to satisfy the Insurance lobbiest you mean.

Republicans, The Anti-American Party. Deep in the Pockets.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 04:31 PM
Momma always said, "The road to hell was paved with good intentions."

I will always say, the only way to improve the quality of healthcare, and still keep it affordable, is to cut through red tape.

Efficiency is the only way we can achieve this.

So far, everything our government has started, has somehow proven to be inefficient. Before i let them screw up our healthcare even more, they must prove to me that they have our best interests at heart.

That means, everyone in congress goes on the same system, or they leave it the hell alone.

I'm not stupid enough to buy into an idea that one party is good and the other is evil.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 04:40 PM
I'm afraid you are fooling your self to think there isn't one worse than the other. I agree neither is ideal, but the worse by far is the Republican Party.
Too many coincidences, similarities among members, and pointers pointing to a larger entity of power than any member can overcome.
They are corrupt even onto themselves. Let one member step out of line and his political career is done. At least as far as the party is concerned.
I'm surprised that you can't see it for your self brother.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 04:42 PM
The right to health Care should never be determined by economic bearing.
It is every humans god given right.

willing2's photo
Mon 11/30/09 04:52 PM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 11/30/09 04:55 PM
Even for the Illegals.laugh laugh

Maybe we should provide health care for the whole world?

I really don't think the supper rich would be willing to foot the bill.

Just raise the limit on medicaid and medicare. Don't take a friggin' million pages to do that. The only jacka$$ that can't figure that out is Hussein.flowerforyou

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 04:55 PM

Even for the Illegals.laugh laugh


In their country?
Yes!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:09 PM

I'm afraid you are fooling your self to think there isn't one worse than the other. I agree neither is ideal, but the worse by far is the Republican Party.
Too many coincidences, similarities among members, and pointers pointing to a larger entity of power than any member can overcome.
They are corrupt even onto themselves. Let one member step out of line and his political career is done. At least as far as the party is concerned.
I'm surprised that you can't see it for your self brother.


I can see corruption in the republican party. I can see links to world-wide scandals that disgrace everything our founding father's have fought for.

But....

I can also see the same connections in the democratic party. Problem is, their corruption is a bit more subtle nowadays. As i said earlier, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

And they, too, have caused worldwide scandals which disgrace everything our founding father's fought for.

Call me an idealist... But i think freedom and independence comes before being "taken care of cradel to grave".

I think have good quality, affordable healthcare (for everyone) comes before having "free" or "cheap" healthcare for a few.

As i said, the only way, we will ever attain greatness, is to cut through red tape. If we have a government healthcare system, there is still a third party, providing no service aside from peace of mind, that needs to get paid. Someone has to pay the bill, and i don't think it's fair to leave that bill for the doctors and nurses to pay.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:10 PM

Even for the Illegals.laugh laugh

Maybe we should provide health care for the whole world?

I really don't think the supper rich would be willing to foot the bill.

Just raise the limit on medicaid and medicare. Don't take a friggin' million pages to do that. The only jacka$$ that can't figure that out is Hussein.flowerforyou


Eh....why not? We tax the whole world don't we???

Food for thought....:wink:

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Mon 11/30/09 05:13 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Mon 11/30/09 05:13 PM


I don't get why we need to spend $2 trillion dollars to replace a healthcare system that 86% of the people are happy with

instead of making a new system why not just spend a fraction of that to get the few uninsured people covered?


Where do you get that figure?
The 86%?

There aren't nearly that many in this country who even have health care. I'm sure the ones without aren't happy with the current situation quiet.





sorry, it was 83% not 86%

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:14 PM
I agree they're both sick and in need of treatment.
But,
Which leg do you choose to amputate first.
The one that already has Gangrene (Republican) or the one that might yet be saved. (Democrat)


Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:16 PM



I don't get why we need to spend $2 trillion dollars to replace a healthcare system that 86% of the people are happy with

instead of making a new system why not just spend a fraction of that to get the few uninsured people covered?


Where do you get that figure?
The 86%?

There aren't nearly that many in this country who even have health care. I'm sure the ones without aren't happy with the current situation quiet.





sorry, it was 83% not 86%


I'd say the question asked was of those who have health care.
That many Americans dont have health care.

Like I said before. The accuracy of a poll depends upon the question asked and who is asked/asking.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:17 PM

The right to health Care should never be determined by economic bearing.
It is every humans god given right.


This cannot be guarenteed without resorting to slavery, if that be the case.

In fact, rights, are simply guidelines of that the government, and the people, CAN'T do, not the other way around. They are restrictions put in place.


Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:20 PM
try this one then



More than eight in 10 Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday said they're satisfied with the quality of health care they receive.

-CNN

or this one


With the Obama administration's top domestic priority struggling in Congress, supporters and opponents of the health-care proposals are focusing on the constituency that both sides agree has become pivotal to the debate: the majority of Americans who have health insurance and are generally satisfied with their care.

Although polls have consistently shown that just over half of Americans think the health-care system is in need of reform, a substantial majority say they are satisfied with their own insurance and care.
-Washington Post

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:21 PM


The right to health Care should never be determined by economic bearing.
It is every humans god given right.


This cannot be guarenteed without resorting to slavery, if that be the case.

In fact, rights, are simply guidelines of that the government, and the people, CAN'T do, not the other way around. They are restrictions put in place.




I disagree.
Good Health care is everyones right.
Equally!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:22 PM

I agree they're both sick and in need of treatment.
But,
Which leg do you choose to amputate first.
The one that already has Gangrene (Republican) or the one that might yet be saved. (Democrat)





Democrats are beyond saving too...

Don't get me started with Woodrow, FDR,, the fact that the party started the Kukux clan, etc.

I say they are screwed, and should be done away with.

Problem is, the democrats will take from the poor to give to the rich, not through tax cuts, but by taxing everyone else (rich and poor), and giving it to billionaires.

I'm sorry, but i do have trouble seeing my having to give 60% of my income over to the government, so i can be "taken care of".

I would much rather take care of myself.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:23 PM



The right to health Care should never be determined by economic bearing.
It is every humans god given right.


This cannot be guarenteed without resorting to slavery, if that be the case.

In fact, rights, are simply guidelines of that the government, and the people, CAN'T do, not the other way around. They are restrictions put in place.




I disagree.
Good Health care is everyones right.
Equally!


You can't make it a garenteed right, unless you are willing to resort to slavery when there aren't enough doctors and nurses.

I suppose democrats were always in favor of slavery....:tongue:

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/30/09 05:24 PM
Even the military knows an Army cant function unless its healthy and well fed.
That's why even the Pvts get good health care.