Topic: Do you ever feel snubbed by religion?
ArtGurl's photo
Tue 06/05/07 12:27 PM
Bored...

So I go back to an earlier sentiment ... you cannot control another...
we don't always get to choose what happens to us but we do have a say in
what we do with it.

"But AG be honest. People can type responses or say words they
know will anger people.

Examples- any deragatory words (N-word) any disrespectful statements
that pass judgement on believers "dogma, fanatics, fake christians" "

Yes people can and do say whatever they want in whatever fashion they
want. Do you suppose that says more about the person it is being said
about or the person doing the saying?

I tend to think the latter...so again I ask ... what does that 'really'
have to do with you ... other than showing you a place deep in you that
you may not have seen?

That doesn't mean you don't stand up for yourself ... that is speaking
your truth. But speaking your truth does not have to be entirely
reactionary. If you take the emotional charge away, your responses are
much different.

This is just about living an authentic life .. about breaking down the
masks and filters. It is about letting go of who you are not to reveal
that which you have always been.

Using your example of the N word. I do not like the word and have never
used the word. It seems to be used a lot though in hip-hop music and
in people's daily lives who follow that culture ... and is not seen as
derogatory ...

so it would seem that it is not the 'word' necessarily that causes
offense but who is using it ... and the 'who' seems to change the
context. So you see, even that comes from our own filters and belief
systems.

It all comes back to us. We are but mirrors for one another to reflect
back pieces of ourselves. Some of it we like...some of it we don't.

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Tue 06/05/07 12:32 PM
"Yes people can and do say whatever they want in whatever fashion they
want. Do you suppose that says more about the person it is being said
about or the person doing the saying?"

Just a minute ago you asked Wonderman who was being more judgemental. I
like your post but by reading your post when it comes to your friends
it's okay but for everyone else noway the message is "stop being
offended" laugh

As for the N-word I'm not even going to go there. I disagree with that
word among other African Americans and in hip hop. You can't make a hate
word into a positive, that's why it's so ignorant.

I'm not even going there...

ttyl

wonderman37's photo
Tue 06/05/07 12:35 PM
EXACTLY YOU SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO
SWITCH IT AROUND YOU ACT PATHEIC NOW AG

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Tue 06/05/07 12:36 PM
watch it wonderman. ohwell As humans with flaws it is so easy to get
emotional and hurt. Believer or NOT we all make mistakes.

wonderman37's photo
Tue 06/05/07 12:38 PM
YOU RIGHT BORED I TAKE BACK THE PATHEIC BUT NOTHING ELSE

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 06/05/07 12:52 PM
laugh laugh laugh

can you spell 'child'!

Children of religion are fed on ritual and dogma and never learn
anything else.

Religion is the orginized practice of faith using rituals developed by
man.

there are many people of faith that do not 'practice' religion.

there are many religions that hide behind the facade of faith.

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Tue 06/05/07 01:00 PM
laugh laugh thank you AB for further proving my point. He will be
the first one to debate but can type anything that could be offensive to
others laugh

How smart do you look? :wink:

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Tue 06/05/07 01:01 PM
I said something about how i disagree with the term "religion"

Either you can't read or you skipped it

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:02 PM
Wow that is amazing! Such anger.

I am curious how Invisible became part of our conversation - I was
making general statements about perception and offering other viewpoints
for the purpose of dialogue.

Wonderman - I just responded to your comment to me...

As I said to you my view is that people push my buttons to show me they
exist. My interpretation of your view by your post is that lying
hypocrites push your buttons. One points the finger at myself the other
points the finger outside of myself.

From a purely perception standpoint ... no specifics attached ... a
purely philosophical discussion ... I was asking you which of our
positions seemed more tolerant to you.

Invisible was not even in my realm of consciousness in my posts. You
brought a lot of history with you into this discussion that is outside
of me and have held me to blame for your reactions?

I have switched nothing around. My position is solid.

Pathetic? Once again that is your own interpretation. I guess you
don't like the reflection in this mirror. ohwell

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Tue 06/05/07 01:04 PM
"Invisible was not even in my realm of consciousness in my posts. You
brought a lot of history with you into this discussion that is outside
of me and have held me to blame for your reactions?"

I'm sorry I did not mean to blame you because that is NOT the case.

My point is that you corrected me for responding to her but yet you
didn't say JACK to her. Friends help friends I see.

I would like to get along with everyone but I see it's either impossible
here or people just don't want to

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:05 PM
Anger comes from within and is self fullfilling.

You make yourself angry by how you feel about what some else says.

If you let it effect you it will.

If you do not it won't.

No one can make you angry but you.

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Tue 06/05/07 01:07 PM
I partially agree with that AB. I see now you took no accountability in
what you just did laugh how humble.

You're known to spit wisdom on these post but yet you do the opposite at
times.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:10 PM
What are you talking about?

can I say HUH?

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:11 PM
Bored it was never my intention to 'correct' you ... that is not my
place. My intention was to offer other viewpoints for you and others to
consider or not.

My motivation was to help by offering the idea that it is possible to
release emotional attachment and therefore live a more peaceful and less
reactionary life.

It was not meant as a statement about anything in particular but rather
a catalyst perhaps to open a more philosophical dialogue.

flowerforyou

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:13 PM
Artgurl wrote:
“From a purely perception standpoint ... no specifics attached ... a
purely philosophical discussion ...”

You’re trying to talk to these people like as if they can actually carry
on an impartial conversation?

You’ve made my day Sherrie!

I’ll be savoring this gentle belly laugh on and off for the rest of the
day. Thanks.

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Tue 06/05/07 01:14 PM
flowerforyou I appreciate that AG.

I just felt your post should be directed to EVERYONE, including your
friends because it is so helpful and powerful. People are intentionally
rude at times when angered- yes that is a FACT.

So regardless of who the user is, I think we all need to consider your
post and the message you gave. Don't let what is within act out on
others. laugh Man we wouldn't have half the drama and anger between
users.

Also, as being a human being with flaws we all make mistakes. So better
communication can help

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Tue 06/05/07 01:15 PM
That's my point AG

See the difference you post in here respectful but yet ABRA, and AB
chose not to.

There is an accountability that triggers a domino effect of anger and
hatred towards users. That is my point*

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 06/05/07 01:21 PM
Pleas specifiy where I have not been respectful.

I have attacked no one. I have whined at or about no one.

I have stated my opinion calmly.

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Tue 06/05/07 01:21 PM
That's EXACTLY why I agree with your message and partially disagree.

Yes it is our anger inside that causes us to act the way we do BUT it is
those who provoke others who trigger it.

If everyone (including the offended and the provoker) took your advice,
tension could be prevented. That is why I emphasize carrying the message
home also to your friend and fellow users.:wink:

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Tue 06/05/07 01:24 PM
Ab well first, you have smileys that are laughing which clearly shows
mockery

Then your words,

"can you spell 'child'!
Children of religion are fed on ritual and dogma and never learn
anything else."

What is anything else? You use dogma and religion simply because you
may not agree with my views. Not only did I respond to your usage of
the word "religion" earlier in the thread, but you continue to do it.