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since this is in the religion forum and framing it as a Christian point of view, everyone is a sinner and no one gets into Heaven based on their actions in life but in the Grace and forgiveness of a compassionate God very true statement, none of us decide we get to enter heaven no matter how we live our lives. It's all up to the compassion and forgiveness of our great God and his abundant love for us all. |
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You know how you can tell when a politician is lying? When their lips are moving. When I am kissing my lips are always moving......does this make me a politician ?........  .
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Edited by
tohyup
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Tue 11/10/09 03:20 PM
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double post .
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Judging others is a human thing.
Thinking we know better is a human thing. Blaming everyone else is a human thing. Complaining is a human thing. All should be perfect except me is a human thing. Unless you change how humans are it will always exist. |
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since this is in the religion forum and framing it as a Christian point of view, everyone is a sinner and no one gets into Heaven based on their actions in life but in the Grace and forgiveness of a compassionate God you bring up the Clinton thing. He was not persecuted just for having an affair but for breaking the law in trying to cover up the affair just like Nixon didn't break in to Watergate but broke the law in covering it up I understand why he was persecuted, my point was only does that offense mean he shouldnt be acknowledged for ANY accomplishments...? |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/10/09 06:17 PM
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since this is in the religion forum and framing it as a Christian point of view, everyone is a sinner and no one gets into Heaven based on their actions in life but in the Grace and forgiveness of a compassionate God you bring up the Clinton thing. He was not persecuted just for having an affair but for breaking the law in trying to cover up the affair just like Nixon didn't break in to Watergate but broke the law in covering it up I understand why he was persecuted, my point was only does that offense mean he shouldnt be acknowledged for ANY accomplishments...? no not at all it just has to be considered as a part of the whole fer instance he did exactly the right thing in Bosnia. Ignored the UN and went straight to NATO to bypass Russia's political obfuscations and the dotcom bubble and the resulting affluence for the country was a direct result of a President keeping his hands off the economy and letting it do its thing so on an overall rating he was an okay President but was too involved in his own personal life and neglected the country but there were lots worse Presidents |
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since this is in the religion forum and framing it as a Christian point of view, everyone is a sinner and no one gets into Heaven based on their actions in life but in the Grace and forgiveness of a compassionate God you bring up the Clinton thing. He was not persecuted just for having an affair but for breaking the law in trying to cover up the affair just like Nixon didn't break in to Watergate but broke the law in covering it up Nixon did a lot of bad things, not just "covering it up". Clinton did break the law in covering up his affair. However, I would submit that what he did was his own personal business and I can understand why he didn't want the world to know it. I do not condone what he did, but the world would've been better served if he hadn't been put in the position of having to cover it up. Personally, I couldn't have cared less who he was having sex with. It wouldn't have bothered me if he hosted 12 man circle jerks w/ his cabinet every Saturday afternoon. And quite frankly, I would've had a great deal more respect for him if, after the affair came out, he just said something like, "Yeah. I f'ed the b*tch. Kennedy had Monroe. So what? I'm the president. Consider it a perk of the job." |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Sat 11/14/09 04:18 AM
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I see a growing trend to hold politicians and entertainers to some high moral compass. I believe in striving to be our best but is it unpopular to accept that everyone is going to fall short? For example, if I say I think Clinton did a good job as president, I get many rebuttals from people who insist otherwise based upon him being an adulterer. A popular newscaster recently said it was 'wrong' to listen to Chris Brown music because of his conviction for assault. What if I just like his music, must he be free from sin in order for it to be ok for someone to enjoy what he produces? These are such confusing times because it seems as if people have fewer and fewer moral boundaries for themselves yet are quick to condemn other PEOPLE for theirs. Notice the emphasis on condemning people and not sin. It is sad to see people not caring about the difference between the two anymore. There are men who are wonderful fathers but awful spouses,,should their children refuse to acknowledge their contribution to their life because they failed in another area? I just dont get it... seems to me what you don't get is that we each have our own moral compass. what is and is not a sin to you often differs with what others call sin. using your example of clinton as president, i think he was a lousy president. he lied to his employers. we the people paid his salary. i consider such dishonesty a gross failing as regards my moral compass and would fire any employee of mine who would stoop so low. if you want to contribute to the lifestyle and wealth of chris brown because your moral standard allows you to reward someone who would harm humanity and deprive another of their personal liberty then knock yourself out. the son of a biatch gets nothing from me. my ethical outlook does not allow such you see. i here jeffry dahmer's book is entertaining. why not buy it and contribute to his estate. i'm sure he'd look up from hell and thank you for helping provide for his family. |
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