I loved old fashioned ways. I want my door to be opened and to be
treated like and lady with with respect. I would love to have long hair
also though I don't deem it necessary to be a lady but it just won't
grow but to a certain point.

southerncharm, you should move! I've lived from Massachusetts down to
Texas and everywhere in between....I've found alot of places that are
exactly like where you live, but there are places that have good
people....try the small towns or the genuine south...

Nope.

I will be the party pooper.

I can open my own doors, and even open it for you...I sported no hair,
bald for a year...by choice..as a shave for a cure, with cancer
fundraising.

I can fix my own car, lug my own heavy stuff, and mow my own lawns.

What I can't do I pay contractors to do, or labour exchange for it.

I feel respect has nothing to do with gender.

I will even mow your lawns, fix your car, pull out a chair for you.

I find old fashioned ways, slightly devaluing, and an almost entrapment,
in separating us into categories.

Women are not frail, blow away in the wind beings, women have such a
strong and reslient nature, and are usually the ones still standing in
any crisis.

I agree wiyh everything that has been said-------Women are on the
rise[Womens Lib].

Jess642,

I have to reply that I open doors for men and treat them with the same
respect. My point is that there is too much disrespect for women that
too often makes the world unnecessarily threatening for them. If my 78
year old mother were to have a flat tire I would hope she encounters
someone like me who would help her without an agenda. I want my 17 year
old daughter to find the same courtesy from men. While I respect your
independence and find it refreshing, it is never demeaning to be polite.

Jess

So could my wife. I do not do these things because I think I am in
anyway better than a lady. I do it out of respect for my fellow human
being, I even hold a door for a man. Respect & manners is not a sex
thing, just the decent thing to do for ANYONE. I am sure you feel the
same on that point.

BTW, life is fragile for all of us and needs to be respected. I am a
large man and not afraid in most situations but I'm smart enough to know
there are those who could cause me harm no matter what belief in myself
I may have. My friend used to have a small dog who would take on dogs
five times his size and chase them down the block. He did it for years
until one day he met a large dog who ignored the yapping and ate him.

agree with everyone
thank you sage and im
for being gentlemen that you are.
i too can open my own door, pull out
own chair, however i respect the guy
who does it and think it is nice.

The key words was "in a relationship"It's about respecting each other.If
I go in to a Wal-Mart i will hold the door open for a man just as well
as a woman.Is it slightly devaluing for man that pulls out a chair for a
lady?If so is it slightly devaluing for the woman that cooks super for
that man?A relationship is about respecting both man & woman equally.

i donot cook and so the guys cook!


it is about respect and everything. i am a profession
nurse and i have supported my family on my own for
five years now- i'll be the first to admit it makes
me feel appreciative when a guy walks me to my car
to make sure i get in it safely!!

I can cook.Not good but I get by.

I didnt think that was old fashioned...I always thought it was called
having "manners".

I was properly trained.

i enjoy being independent. but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy feeling
special enough to someone that they pay attention to the little things.

so, yes, i would say that i'm glad chivalry is still alive out there
somewhere.

Jess, I am a man, I enjoy doing those little things that
everyone has mentioned, and if I see a woman with a flat tire on the
side of the road, I WILL stop to change it for her. Independence has
nothing to do with it, nothing at all. Militant feminism has done
nothing for the cause of women. Your post is seething with hidden anger
and distrust for men, perhaps stemming from your past specific personal
experiences rather than a generalized view? Using your methodology, tell
me, what do women want from men?

How about the Old Fashion ways and then some. I believe that women are
to be treated with respect.. I used to go out and warm the car up for my
lady and cold nights or mornings when she worked...

Old fashion ways can be brought into the modern day world. We as parents
are the ones who have to teach our children that respect, and common
curtesy are two items that should never be left out of their education.

The perfect blend of old fashion ways with new world life would be
great, I guess its up to us to make sure that the mix is put into place.

I love having the door opened for me, I would love to receive flowers
from a man, still waiting for that to happen. I love the fact that I did
instill some old fashion ways into my son, when I see him open the door,
or help an elder out with the little things that mean so much.

so Yes to old fashion ways except for when women weren't allowed to be
intelligent human beings.

I like the old fashioned ways, and think it goes both ways. I try to
treat people the way I want to be treated. I hold doors open for men
and if they hold the door open for me I always thank them.

I go out of my way to help an older person if they need help (watch it -
no cracks about my age), but do think common courtesy and respect are
important. I can fix some things on my car and change my own tires but
do appreciate someone stopping to help me do it too. I like to mow my
lawn but because of tendinitis in my wrists and elbows becauss of years
of typing, it now affects my ability to perform my job and support
myself so I hire someone to do that now, otherwise I am self-sufficient
and can do minor repairs around the house. But do appreciate someone
helping me with them too.

I think it comes down to common courtesy too. I am tall and often help
shorter people in grocery stores reach things off tall shelves, that
kind of thing. I think if we all treated other people the way we wanted
to be treated ourselves, and taught our kids to treat people that way,
the world would be a nicer place. My 2 cents anyway.

I to just believe like Sage,,just good manners,
,but,,,I have been put in my place with a lady,,kind a like JESS HERE,
who acted as if I was being BAD for being NICE to her, by openning doors
and Pulling out her chair,,IM NOT SAYING THAT "THIS" IS WHAT YOU WOULD
DO JESS,wink,wink,
I just mean that SOME women want to DO EVERYTHING them selves
as to feel independent and capable of doing anything a man can do,,,not
that THIS is wrong in anyway,,but THAT IS TO ME "WHY" GOD MADE TWO
SEXES...to always be and show are indifferences in good ways as well as
odd to the other,,,
We have come a long way from men thinking barefoot and pregnant and
cooking and quiet, is the women's place,,,and THAT IS FANTASTIC, but
women to me shpuld always FEEL, soft and tender, in my eyes and our
hugs,
Men and women,,,should all be equal, period......
But NICE by the OTHER, should NEVER be CONDEMNED, by the OTHER!!
Nice is still SWEET, and SWEET is always COOL,,my thoughts
anyway!

The old fashion ways, is all I will accept!


i'm btchi like that!