I umm was thinking about kids for marriage in the future but I don't
want to give birth

And would you go through a Christian charities organization or arrange
for a private adoption of a deprived Christian child. And what if you
were able to adopt a child in the the future from, oh, say Iran, would
you raise that child in their traditional family religion? Or are you
just going to stick to kids known to be of Christian heritage???

Red...lol


you already know the answers to those questions.......... lmao!!!

***sitting on hands and counting to 10***

It is a touchy subject...

I am adopted...a product of
circumstances...as is my older brother, and we are biologically
unrelated...my younger brother is the biological child of my parents.

So interesting family dynamics.

I have four children, all from the same biological blend of two people.

We also have two sponsored children, in another country, and we have
opened our home, our hearts, and our arms, many times, to emergency
foster care.

Adopting children is something not to be taken lightly, but with deep
intent to share one's home, and love with a child.

I am blessed to know couples who adopted outside of their cultures,
children from dire, impoverished situations, and have embraced their
child's heritage, and encouraged the traditions, beliefs, and different
religions, of that child's origins.

I can without even a stretch, think of two families, with adopted
children from other countries, and both families have taken their
children back to their country of origin, to experience, and to
re-connect with their personal history.

Jess, it's true, I too, have known of two such families. It was not
only a wonderful gift they gave in adopting their kids, but it was
amazing to see the glowing affects that all this new diversity shed, not
just on the family, but on everyone who was ever a participant in their
friendships.

Hi Alex - some seeds flourish when scattered with truth.

ArtGurl, you can't type sitting on your hands, and I need more poetry.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but.

I think its kinda of unusual that someone has to ask if its "Gods" will
to adopt an unwanted child.

So many rules, people are terrified to live, for fear of pissing off
God.


Sad.

as an adoptee i can definitely say it is a good thing.As for not having
kids boredchick that is your personal choice and should be
respected.

Klugman wrote:
"So many rules, people are terrified to live, for fear of pissing off
God....Sad."

So frigging true!

Besides if these people really had god in their heart they wouldn't need
to ask.

God has been guiding me from within since early childhood. But then I
didn't find god in a comic book. I met god for real.

On the adoption issue,... when could love ever be wrong?

And if a person is adopting a child for any reason other than love than
that's just sick. Better off going to Wal-mart and buying a baby doll if
tbe motivation is other than love.

Love is NEVER wrong.

Redykeulous,

So you are saying that if someone adopted a child from a Muslim country,
the adoptee should change their religion to Islam, because that's
probably the religion that adopted child's parents lived by? How would
you know that the parents hadn't been stoned to death for changing their
religion from Islam to Christianity and that's why the child is in the
orphanage in the first place? And when someone adopts a child, doesn't
the child become legally their responsiblity to raise as they see fit?
And since we are always told in this forum "All paths lead to God", then
wouldn't it make sense for BoredChick07 to raise the child in the
religion she knows, since that is the path she has choosen? What
exactly would you say the purpose of your question was? It couldn't
have possibly been serious, because the answer was obvious.

I believe that the only proper way to raise a child (adopted or not) is
to openly and honestly teach them about all the differnet religions of
the world and then let the child make their own choice.

Anything less would be less than honest.

If you tell the child the Jesus is the only way to god you are lying to
the child.

If you tell the child “I believe that Jesus is the only way to god”,
then you are at least being honest.

But most Christians lie to their children. They teach their religion as
though they know it’s true when in truth they do not. They are lying
to their children, pure and simple. And far too many people do indeed
lie to their children when it comes to thinks like personal faith.

Religion is probably the single ugliest thing that ever happened to
mankind. It makes liars out of decent people. People who could tell
the truth if they really wanted to.

Heres my take for what it's worth, on adoption.
Yes, adoption is spoken of in the Bible. The first I can think of is
with Moses. Moses was sent a float on the Nile to be hopefully adopted
by a kind woman to be raised safely. Becuase as we know all, new born
infants were to be killed. The sister to moses followed and watched to
see who picked up the child. Went back with news of the Queen having
taken him in. The Queen needing a mother to feed the child sent word for
a woman to breast feed the child through the sister of Moses. The mother
was brought to him to take care of his feeding needs and to bond with
him.And she was paid a wage. A child from a lowly family taken in by
wealth. Who by the way, took back up with his own kind in the end.
It was customary to always know who the biological parents were. To make
known to said children, and keep family ties and nevr take away their
knowledge of where they came.
It is clear in scripture that a woman will give up her child only upon
pain of death. Even the most harsh of ancient ruling elites appreciated
the value of biological ties and provided social security so that the
child could at least be weaned, start to develop and form a relationship
with its true mother before an open adoption could take place.

Adoption is spoken of mostly by adult children, with a 50% vote in the
matter. But, adoption was almost always done where the knowledge of the
heritage was kept. There were no real secret adoptions, as is done so
much of the time now by religion and law.
Adoption is done by them to be mostly infants, where as Biblically
speaking they should be bonded to the mother and fed by her. And never
to lose site of the place from which they came.
Churches have taken the wrong view on adoption. By hiding away the true
heriatge of children in secret. As has the laws of the land. Not to
mention by butting in and taking children from their homes and never
giving them a chance to Know their bad parents because it is law. The
parents and children should always know of each others whereabouts, now
maybe in cases of severe child abuse I would have to have a change of
heart. I'm not sure about the views from the Bible there. I will make a
note to check in on that.
It is highly unusual in Jewish genealogies to list women, yet Matthew, a
very Jewish figure of the New Testament, mentions 4 women in Jesus's
genealogy, 3 of them Gentiles. These women highlight the most sordid
side of Jesus's forebears.
Through these women and the Old Testament scriptures in which they
appear, God accepts into the bloodline of Messiah, prostitution (Rahab)
; (Tamar), incest (Tamar and Judah), adultery, treachery and murder
(David and Bathsheba), tainted, racially-despised Gentile blood (Ruth),
and last but certainly not least, teenage pregnancy outside of wedlock
(Mary). God even provides a mediator when Mary is left unsupported in
her pregnancy by those closest to her. How many church-based adoption
workers have provided the same sort of mediation for girls in the same
position?
God accepted all this in the genealogy of Jesus, sins which the church
would generally regard as abominable. Would a church-run adoption agency
place a child with any woman who had a history like Bathsheba, Rahab or
Tamar? Not likely. Obviously, God has a much broader outlook than we do.
Biblically speaking, adoption and half-adoption are man's idea not
God's, and that to God, biology is important.
Unfortunately, the Bible is quite specific about what the word adoption
means in scripture.
As a preface to the Biblical meaning of adoption, it must be realised
that the modern concept of adoption took a major detour around the
mid-1930s. As a result of the nature versus nurture debate and other
human inventions of the sociology faculties, the word adoption came to
mean what we now commonly accept - the removal of a child from its
biological parents to be raised usually in secret by people unrelated by
blood. Latterly, it has also come to mean in a secondary sense, the
adoption of a biologically related child into a new marriage of one of
its parents.
However, the Bible only ever talks about adult adoption. Eliezar's
adoption was an adult adoption, and certainly the New Testament idea of
adoption is repeatedly an adoption of an adult as an heir. This is
clearly the meaning of Paul's writing when he talks of salvation as an
adoption by God.
But there is something more and it relates directly to the overall
message of the Bible. To be honest, it is disturbing that those church
institutions that have so vigorously promoted newborn adoption have done
so in complete dismissal of what the Bible is actually all about.

To explain, there are two Greek words that occur to be translated
"adoption" in the New Testament. The first is in Acts 7:21, where
Stephen is recounting the adoption of Moses. The Greek word is
transliterated as "anaheto" and appears in the Living, Good News and New
English translations of the Bible as "adopted." In all other
translations, it is translated as "taken" - giving a sense that the
Biblical writers regarded the adoption of Moses as a "taking" by
Pharaoh's daughter, not a relinquishment by Moses's mother.
The word used throughout the New Testament to denote God's adoption of
believers, is transliterated "huiothesia". The concept of "huiothesia"
to the New Testament culture is explained by the NKJV Greek/English
Interlinear New Testament:
"Adoption: Greek: huiothesia. Noun, a compound noun from 'huio', a son
and 'thesia' a placing, thus meaning adoption. The word was a legal
technical term for a father's declaration that his natural born child
was officially a son or daughter, with all the rights and privileges
that this included."
The Biblical term 'huiothesia' refers to a declaration of a natural born
child. It is the exact opposite to what would be required to justify the
modern concept of adoption, to transpose a child from its biological
family to another unrelated family.
And in the overall context of what the Bible is really all about,
'huiothesia'
Adult adoption requires two things - an offer by the adopter and an
acceptance by the adoptee who by virtue of his adult status is able to
make that choice. In terms of salvation, the adult chooses for himself,
to accept God's offer or to reject it.
Now, I do not believe adoption to be wrong, but in the sense of the
modern day church and legal version, it is. To forcably remove and
change the indetity, as to hide...Or to give, and no no more; wonder
what makes adopted children yern to know themselves? There is for the
most part much pain associated in the not knowing, of the wherabouts of
a child, and that of a child left wondering. By either taking or the
giving up of a child.
Kat

Abracadabra,

I KNOW Christianity is the only way, so I don't lie to my kids. I'm
sure people of every religion lie to their children, but saved
Christians know the truth.

Oh, and I forgot: according to the Bible (if you choose to believe), it
is wrong to have relations out of wedlock. So why would one take means
of birth control? One main reason to marry is to procriate, have
children. When one can give birth, why would one deny? But be willing to
adopt instead? Just asking. Not making judgements.
Kat

I know christiany is the only way too .

Kat

That post was so well researched and enjoyable.

I personally believe that people should learn how to be honest with
themselves before they go off trying to raise another human being,
adopted or otherwise.

To come back to Reds question.

I do believe that an adopted child has a right to be brought up with the
awareness of it's heritage, so it can, when it's old enough, chose which
path to follow.

I had to sit with this a moment because I did not want to reply from a
place of emotional reactionism. The notion that some may feel adoption
is against the will of God pushes my buttons.

A child is a precious gift regardless of how it enters your world.

I have seen so many people with children who had absolutely no business
being parents in the first place...and so many others who make wonderful
nurturing parents who were not able to have children of their own.

How wonderful that families can be united regardless!

What happens if you meet someone who already has children from a
previous relationship? Would you not have room in your heart to love
them? How is this so different? Love is love - and it is
unconditional.

If it is against the will of God for a child to leave where it is not
wanted to go to a place where it is cherished then I have no desire to
know that God. That is a God of judgment, of conditions, of punishing
the innocent.....that sounds more human-like to me.

May we please expand our vision?