Topic: Walmart Man fired for wearing pin
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Fri 10/30/09 11:43 PM
There are so many people with tattoo's that contain religious content, I wonder if they will not be allowed to work at Home Depot?

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Fri 10/30/09 11:50 PM

first of all, it was home depot, not walmart. secondly, your freedom of religion, speech and expression is protected from the government but not from your employer. he can sue but he'll loose big time.




Yes you are correct, sorry is was Home Depot

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Sat 10/31/09 12:47 AM

A man working at Walmart was recently fired for wearing a pin that said "one nation under God". How crazy is this. I see a big lawsuit here.



Rather interesting, considering our Wal-Mart people wear crosses, and one gal stalks you to ask if you want to join her church or get a credit card. Literally stalks, for both!

At Christmas last year, one of the employess wrote a nauseating poem about Jesus is the reason for the season. They did take that down when I asked if I could write a corrected response to it.

Another gal is big into "have a blessed day" and no one, generally complains. Mom's politely told her no thanks a few times, and she's finally recognizing her and doesn't say it.

I'm betting there's way more to it then the pin.

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Sat 10/31/09 12:49 AM


There are many employers all having their own dress codes. If accessories and clothing are that big an issue to anyone when they are 'on the clock.' The solution is to just apply to those companies whose dress code allows your preference for attire. I think people take things out of perspective, I fail to see the harm in the rule that , apparently, the other employees dont have an issue following.


Glad to see someone finds it as cut and dry as I do.

If you don't like the rules, don't work there.




In full agreement here!

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Sat 10/31/09 12:51 AM



There will be more and more of this kind of crap clogging our legal system the longer the dems/libs are allowed to side track from reality while they sneak their agendas through congress. Nothing to base the firing on, nothing legal anyway in a country that allows religious freedom (oh, forgot, we only give that to muslims, the Christians are even reprimanded for daring to say Merry Christmas).


You are absolutely right! In a small town in Northern Oklahoma a Walmart told their employees the could not say Merry Christmas. This was about 4 yrs ago. The outrage was huge, many of us contacted that Wal-Mart and they changed it to an employee can say it if they want, of not they don't. If you're going to ban one ban the rest of them. Christianity is under attack, it has been and it's getting worse. No if, ands or buts about it.

slaphead


I think Home Depot is under attack not christianity laugh

I happen to like Home Depot, very helpful, have all the items I need, offer classes, I am treated curteously, get great prices and also got the credit card laugh




Home Depot rocks! It gets our business because it allows the dogs in. They put up a sign, no pets, I walked up to the manager and said they could have their credit card back and I'd take my business elsewhere. There were enough other complaints, they backed down real quick. Heck, I used to take the rabbit in, and they have no issues.

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Sat 10/31/09 12:52 AM

There are so many people with tattoo's that contain religious content, I wonder if they will not be allowed to work at Home Depot?


Most businesses require ALL tats to be covered up. So if that means they have to wear a long sleeve shirt and button up, then that's what needs to be done, if they want a job.

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Sat 10/31/09 03:46 AM
I bet the rules and dress codes are still in effect whether its dems or republicans in charge. The factory I worked at had the same dress codes regardless of which side ran the country.

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Sat 10/31/09 03:48 AM

I bet the rules and dress codes are still in effect whether its dems or republicans in charge. The factory I worked at had the same dress codes regardless of which side ran the country.


rofl rofl rofl

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Sat 10/31/09 04:25 AM



There will be more and more of this kind of crap clogging our legal system the longer the dems/libs are allowed to side track from reality while they sneak their agendas through congress. Nothing to base the firing on, nothing legal anyway in a country that allows religious freedom (oh, forgot, we only give that to muslims, the Christians are even reprimanded for daring to say Merry Christmas).


You are absolutely right! In a small town in Northern Oklahoma a Walmart told their employees the could not say Merry Christmas. This was about 4 yrs ago. The outrage was huge, many of us contacted that Wal-Mart and they changed it to an employee can say it if they want, of not they don't. If you're going to ban one ban the rest of them. Christianity is under attack, it has been and it's getting worse. No if, ands or buts about it.

slaphead


I think Home Depot is under attack not christianity laugh

I happen to like Home Depot, very helpful, have all the items I need, offer classes, I am treated curteously, get great prices and also got the credit card laugh




Yes Home Depot is under attack but throughout the Country Christianity is being attacked.:angel:

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Sat 10/31/09 05:31 AM

There are so many people with tattoo's that contain religious content, I wonder if they will not be allowed to work at Home Depot?


doubtful that hd would allow any visible tatoos on their employees. i once owned a business in which my employees were in constant contact with my clients and never allowed visible tattoos of any content.

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Sat 10/31/09 09:24 AM



Yes Home Depot is under attack but throughout the Country Christianity is being attacked.:angel:



I suspect that is just a rallying cry, designed to take on the mantle of victimization where none exists. Many fundamentalists regularly call for a War on Atheism.

I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous. On the other hand, I think many would agree that many Christians step over the line when they proselytize at work.

I used to get handed Christian tracts all the time where I work, and I think enough people complained about it that they wrote a new rule into the employee handbook. If that's taken to imply discrimination against Christians, maybe it was because everyone else didn't wear their belief system on their metaphorical sleeve and kept their beliefs to themselves unless pressed. I usually deflect the question because often times you'll get attitude from the Fundies and who needs that in a work enviroment, especially during difficult economic times?

This country was founded by people of many different faiths and denominations and the Founding Fathers themselves have written that religion should be between a citizen and their God if they worship one.

-Kerry O.

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Sat 10/31/09 09:56 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/31/09 09:57 AM




There will be more and more of this kind of crap clogging our legal system the longer the dems/libs are allowed to side track from reality while they sneak their agendas through congress. Nothing to base the firing on, nothing legal anyway in a country that allows religious freedom (oh, forgot, we only give that to muslims, the Christians are even reprimanded for daring to say Merry Christmas).


You are absolutely right! In a small town in Northern Oklahoma a Walmart told their employees the could not say Merry Christmas. This was about 4 yrs ago. The outrage was huge, many of us contacted that Wal-Mart and they changed it to an employee can say it if they want, of not they don't. If you're going to ban one ban the rest of them. Christianity is under attack, it has been and it's getting worse. No if, ands or buts about it.

slaphead


I think Home Depot is under attack not christianity laugh

I happen to like Home Depot, very helpful, have all the items I need, offer classes, I am treated curteously, get great prices and also got the credit card laugh





Home Depot rocks! It gets our business because it allows the dogs in. They put up a sign, no pets, I walked up to the manager and said they could have their credit card back and I'd take my business elsewhere. There were enough other complaints, they backed down real quick. Heck, I used to take the rabbit in, and they have no issues.





I guess the consumer community matters. Where I live, there are far too many with allergies, etc, for a business a size of home depot to allow animals inside the store. If there were that many animal lovers who were also consumers at the store though, I am sure the profit margin would win out and a compromise would be found.

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Sun 11/01/09 03:06 PM

I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous.


on what grounds? where's the error? this guy will never see the inside of a courtroom. in fact i can't imagine a lawyer taking such a case especially on contingency and i doubt this guy has a couple c notes an hour to spend or more just to give it a shot. this is not the first time for hd at the disgruntled employee rodeo. they lawyered up long ago.

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Sun 11/01/09 03:14 PM
hhmmmm have not heard of this yet....must be more to this what you claim???

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Sun 11/01/09 03:17 PM

hhmmmm have not heard of this yet....must be more to this what you claim???


just what is it that you think i claim???

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Sun 11/01/09 03:26 PM


I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous.


on what grounds? where's the error? this guy will never see the inside of a courtroom. in fact i can't imagine a lawyer taking such a case especially on contingency and i doubt this guy has a couple c notes an hour to spend or more just to give it a shot. this is not the first time for hd at the disgruntled employee rodeo. they lawyered up long ago.


Yep. This will be one of those cases the ACLU won't touch.

Why?? Because he's an American.

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Sun 11/01/09 04:10 PM



I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous.


on what grounds? where's the error? this guy will never see the inside of a courtroom. in fact i can't imagine a lawyer taking such a case especially on contingency and i doubt this guy has a couple c notes an hour to spend or more just to give it a shot. this is not the first time for hd at the disgruntled employee rodeo. they lawyered up long ago.


Yep. This will be one of those cases the ACLU won't touch.

Why?? Because he's an American.


Oh gosh the ACLU is a big joke. They won't stand up for him because of what he stands for.

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Sun 11/01/09 06:44 PM


I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous.


on what grounds? where's the error? this guy will never see the inside of a courtroom. in fact i can't imagine a lawyer taking such a case especially on contingency and i doubt this guy has a couple c notes an hour to spend or more just to give it a shot. this is not the first time for hd at the disgruntled employee rodeo. they lawyered up long ago.


He won't have to spend his own money, I suspect outfits like the ACLJ (not to be confused with the ACLU, the ACLJ is a Religious Right legal organization founded by Pat Robertson, IIRC) will take the case. The ACLJ will likely win the case by claiming HD's draconian actions in regarding a simple, non-denominational button infringed on the employee's religious freedom while not demonstrating how HD was or will be harmed by his wearing it.

That said, be aware that I personally side with Jefferson on the separation of Church and State as a foundational legal doctrine of our United States. But, I don't think HD can invoke that argument in this context. And from what I know of the case, the employee wasn't proselytizing, so... no harm, no foul.

Ergo, I suspect they'll lose if they go to the mat with the ACLJ on this one.

-Kerry O.


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Sun 11/01/09 06:55 PM




I suspect the courts will find Home Depot erring on the side of being a little too zealous.


on what grounds? where's the error? this guy will never see the inside of a courtroom. in fact i can't imagine a lawyer taking such a case especially on contingency and i doubt this guy has a couple c notes an hour to spend or more just to give it a shot. this is not the first time for hd at the disgruntled employee rodeo. they lawyered up long ago.


Yep. This will be one of those cases the ACLU won't touch.

Why?? Because he's an American.


Oh gosh the ACLU is a big joke. They won't stand up for him because of what he stands for.


Not so. Try this link:

http://www.aclu.org/prison/restrict/40258prs20090709.html



ACLU Seeks End To Censorship Of Religious Material By Virginia Jail (7/9/2009)


Ban Of Biblical Passages And Other Material Unconstitutional

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

STAFFORD, VA – The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Virginia today demanded that officials at the Rappahannock Regional Jail immediately end their illegal practice of censoring religious material sent to detainees.

In a letter sent today to the jail's superintendent, Joseph Higgs, Jr., the ACLU asks for jail officials to guarantee in writing that the jail will no longer censor biblical passages from letters written to detainees and to revise the jail's written inmate mail policy to state that letters will not be censored simply because they contain religious material.

"It is nothing short of stunning that a jail would think it okay to censor the Bible and other religious material for no reason other than its religious nature," said David Shapiro, staff attorney with the ACLU National Prison Project. "Such censorship violates both the rights of detainees to practice religion freely and the free speech rights of those wanting to communicate with detainees."



Many people are too used to seeing the ACLU prevent religious groups from breaking down the wall of separation between Church and State and make the incorrect assumption that they won't defend plaintiffs like the ones listed in the suit above.


-Kerry O.

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Sun 11/01/09 09:29 PM





There will be more and more of this kind of crap clogging our legal system the longer the dems/libs are allowed to side track from reality while they sneak their agendas through congress. Nothing to base the firing on, nothing legal anyway in a country that allows religious freedom (oh, forgot, we only give that to muslims, the Christians are even reprimanded for daring to say Merry Christmas).


You are absolutely right! In a small town in Northern Oklahoma a Walmart told their employees the could not say Merry Christmas. This was about 4 yrs ago. The outrage was huge, many of us contacted that Wal-Mart and they changed it to an employee can say it if they want, of not they don't. If you're going to ban one ban the rest of them. Christianity is under attack, it has been and it's getting worse. No if, ands or buts about it.

slaphead


I think Home Depot is under attack not christianity laugh

I happen to like Home Depot, very helpful, have all the items I need, offer classes, I am treated curteously, get great prices and also got the credit card laugh





Home Depot rocks! It gets our business because it allows the dogs in. They put up a sign, no pets, I walked up to the manager and said they could have their credit card back and I'd take my business elsewhere. There were enough other complaints, they backed down real quick. Heck, I used to take the rabbit in, and they have no issues.





I guess the consumer community matters. Where I live, there are far too many with allergies, etc, for a business a size of home depot to allow animals inside the store. If there were that many animal lovers who were also consumers at the store though, I am sure the profit margin would win out and a compromise would be found.



Actually, the manager said the reason they put the signs up was that someone let their dog take a chit and didn't clean up after it. Same problem with lack of personal responsibility by the owner of the dog. One shouldn't be punishing the responsible pet owners for the mistake of an ***.

As far as allergies go, I think in a mega hardware store, allergies are the least of it. How can one prove an allergic reaction to an animal, when there's gobs of other particles in the air, such as dirt, paint, insulation, sawdust, etc.