My most sincere apologies for crashing this thread (sorry Sky, I did know you were there.. I think) I don't drink like I use to - and three shots in three hours put me a little higher than I wanted to fly.

Anyway, I figured I owed an apology for my rude behavior.

The question is why do you post ?.
I post because I am bored to death and I have nothing better to do .
..... . I post to follow my thoughts about how I see life in general with no malice or pretence attached . I post sometimes although I am tired and not feeling well just to follow the truth, logic, and reality . .

I post to have double posts............... .

No worries.

I think we all understand the "one too many" phenomenon pretty well.

I love it when people drink and post!!

... Furthemore, I'd even postulate a requirement of at least 2 shuts before even comming in here!!! (some people are taking this much too seriously...)
_________ ___________ __________ _________

...............WHY DO WE POST?

As I mentioned in some other thread, flexing one's mental muscles is the most favourable exercise, which allows one performing a reality check, i.e. comparing our "notes" with that of others, verifying whether we're "on the same page", so to speak.

(aside from those who are posting just because the can, for fun!)

JASON, I HATE YOUR PHOTO YOU'RE USING!!

I see you Sky!

All my friends are here.

I enjoy mental challenges and debates because it helps me to monitor my mental machinery, clarify my thinking, and learn things about other people's points of view. It helps me to understand other people.

The reason I engage people is because I want to know them, and I strive to be open and honest because I want them to know me and who I am.

Because of our over-relience upon logic and reason, we're reduced to having mere "faith" in what we know because there is no solid body of proof behind it. Yet by looking only through a lens of reason we limit our ability to look beyond what has been defined by it. * * *

Therefore, we should indulge ourselves -- engaging in an unreasonable thinking as often as the law permits...

JB, I really like your answer. Well said.

And that is exactly its use. Given A, how does B fit.

Given something how does something else relate. Logic is merely a system of tools to verify the soundness of an argument given starting premises. It proves nothing except that what you have formed is self consistent within the framework you yourself have created.

This is part of the problem that abra mentioned with "proofs".


I really try hard not to think of people as, "kinds of people" merely states of thinking, which are easily changeable, unlike kinds of people.

Wonderful wonderful post!

I agree completely.

Whats wrong with my photo? i think its great

Most bullies I have had experience with disdain proper logic.

Yes, I agree. And if/when they do claim to be using proper logic, it is usually specious.

And, they don't stay on topic or follow their own line of discussion. I had this problem yesterday with someone here. It didn't annoy me as much because I know how this person is after getting frustrated with them before, but I just don't like arguments that go all over the place. If they can't respond logically to your statement then they start over with a new statement or argument without addressing the last statement!

Boy, was that a rambling vent I just posted or what?!

Critical thinking skills are not as common as I would like.

There's also another side of the "logical coin" -- as I mentioned earlier:
Because of our over-relience upon logic and reason, we're reduced to having mere "faith" in what we know (and beleive in) because there is no solid body of proof behind it. Yet by looking only through a lens of reason we limit our ability to look beyond what has been defined by it. * * *

Therefore, we should indulge ourselves -- engaging in an unreasonable thinking as often as the law permits, LOL -- eapecially after spending the whole day behind the terminal (i.e. performing a pure logic duties.)

isnt math absolute?

another question, is it possible to "argue" or discuss rather with out attacking others, being sarcastic and rude, disrespectful....
if i was talking with you in person, and i didnt like what you said, and decided to punch you, is that ok jane? is there very much difference if i verbaly punch you?
i noticed the majority of your responces in this forum say something like;

"YOUR WRONG!!!!!!!!____________________

IM RIGHT!!!!!_________________________"

like i said, that behavior is
!!!UNPROFESIONAL_____________!!!!
!!!DISRESPECTFUL_____________!!!!
!!!AND UNPRODUCTIVE__________!!!!

i dont know about any one else, but when i do something like discuss i want to get somewhere. i want to learn, see if im right, gain insight and a new perspective.



now, if i would have stated this same exact point, respectfuly, profesionaly, and with an open mind, wouldnt you show the same and we would eventully get somewher? well, mabey not you given your posting history here, but most people would.

go ahead... let me have it...make it look pretty and creative like usual


ps: just to clarify my view, arguing is good, but should be contolled and ballanced like everything else. otherwise well never get anywhere...

AMEN