Topic: Negative thinking
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Thu 10/15/09 11:14 AM

some people say that life is short

I say that death is really long



Yes, we are all dieing slow. Some just die faster than others.

I once heard a person exclaim "I don't understand why some people commit suicide." All the while that person was smoking one cigarette after another and drinking like there was no tomorrow and eating junk food, putting on extra pounds every day.

Many of us are committing suicide.


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Thu 10/15/09 01:04 PM



my guess is that we're hung up on symantics here. you say positive attitude, i say realistic. the glass half full/half empty thing applies here. a negative person sees the glass as half empty. a positive person sees the glass as half full. a realist sees it as both. all three are in fact correct.


No we are not hung up on semantics. Seeing what is "realistic" is what I mean by looking at the situation for what it is. Before you can improve your life or situation you have to first take stock of it and accept the situation.


fine bean. i'm under the impression that symantics means saying saying what we mean using different words that ultimately relate the same thought. i think that is what is happening between you and me. you say "seeing what is realistic is what i mean by looking at the situation for what it is". i agreed with that premise several posts ago. so how about this? positive attitude and realistic outlook mean the same thing as regards life sucking. now as i see it, we are no longer hung up on symantics here.



Where our 'semantic' problem was is that it looked like your excuse for "negative thinking" was because you were "looking at the reality of it." (And your opinion of the reality of it was that it sucked.)

I do not think that looking at the reality of a situation is "negative thinking" if you don't form an opinion of it like "It sucks."

You want to look at the reality of a situation in a detached and dispassionate manner as if you are looking at a problem that requires solving, then you go on to solve it.




well i'm sure you realize that men and women think differently in general. women often have to deal with their feelings where men accept reality. not always of course but i think in general this is true. as i say, i look at life sucking and when i do i make a realistic assesment and solve the problems. my motto is "when life sucks, change it". if you want to say life never sucks and that works for you, congratulations, you and i deal well with lifes problems.

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Thu 10/15/09 01:22 PM
i do try to look at all the good. & smile once in a while.

jrbogie's photo
Thu 10/15/09 01:49 PM
i smile at the good and often smile when life sucks. especially as what sucks is my fault more often than not and i crack myself up at the realization.

wux's photo
Thu 10/15/09 01:56 PM

some people say that life is short

I say that death is really long


Ahhh... if only Death could moonlight once in a while as a Peniiis for me... sigh.

In some cultures (Polish, for instance) they call it the fountain of life.

Now I know why.

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Thu 10/15/09 05:20 PM




my guess is that we're hung up on symantics here. you say positive attitude, i say realistic. the glass half full/half empty thing applies here. a negative person sees the glass as half empty. a positive person sees the glass as half full. a realist sees it as both. all three are in fact correct.


No we are not hung up on semantics. Seeing what is "realistic" is what I mean by looking at the situation for what it is. Before you can improve your life or situation you have to first take stock of it and accept the situation.


fine bean. i'm under the impression that symantics means saying saying what we mean using different words that ultimately relate the same thought. i think that is what is happening between you and me. you say "seeing what is realistic is what i mean by looking at the situation for what it is". i agreed with that premise several posts ago. so how about this? positive attitude and realistic outlook mean the same thing as regards life sucking. now as i see it, we are no longer hung up on symantics here.



Where our 'semantic' problem was is that it looked like your excuse for "negative thinking" was because you were "looking at the reality of it." (And your opinion of the reality of it was that it sucked.)

I do not think that looking at the reality of a situation is "negative thinking" if you don't form an opinion of it like "It sucks."

You want to look at the reality of a situation in a detached and dispassionate manner as if you are looking at a problem that requires solving, then you go on to solve it.




well i'm sure you realize that men and women think differently in general. women often have to deal with their feelings where men accept reality. not always of course but i think in general this is true. as i say, i look at life sucking and when i do i make a realistic assesment and solve the problems. my motto is "when life sucks, change it". if you want to say life never sucks and that works for you, congratulations, you and i deal well with lifes problems.



While the masculine and feminine energy is different, I would not draw a line between how "men or women" think. I believe we all have the capability to think in a balanced manner between the two influences.

I would be insulted if a man implied that I don't "accept reality" because I am a woman. That's ridiculous.

I also did not mean to suggest to anyone that they say "life never sucks." What I did suggest is that when you look at the reality of a situation, you do so dispassionately without forming an opinion that "it sucks." Then you just accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can.

Where people make themselves miserable is when they don't accept what is and/or they try to change the things they have no control over.



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Fri 10/16/09 06:43 AM
I'm always ranting about how craptastic my life is. There is always something new everyday that makes it just a little more unbearable. When i attempt to confide in people i get 1 of two responses. "I don't wanna hear that, it's bumming me out." or "just pray and God is gonna make it all better for you." I am not necessarily an atheist, but i am not one of those people that can ignore the ills of life and drift off into this fantasy that life is good because i'm alive and will get better as long as i BELIEVE & TRUST it will get better.

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Fri 10/16/09 07:12 AM
One thing good about having a craptastic life is you get to gripe about it.

I have not had any sleep because my Dad (who has Alzheimer's and is getting worse) kept me up all night. He is getting harder and harder to manage and care for. He has arthritis he can't stand up anymore and has to be transfered. He kept saying he had to go to work and kept trying to go outside. Today I am thinking about a nursing home for him.

It was a crappy night. That's the reality of my situation.ohwell

So you can gripe all you want. That's your privilege.

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Fri 10/16/09 08:03 AM
I find that accepting those things I cannot change makes me pretty darn happy.

franshade's photo
Fri 10/16/09 08:13 AM
Brings this to mind

Please grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.


Ruth34611's photo
Fri 10/16/09 08:19 AM

Brings this to mind

Please grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.




drinker

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Fri 10/16/09 08:57 AM
great post...

would it not be the very first creation of the word, or label, "negative", that be the "first negative"???

how can one deem "part thoughts" as negative, and some as positive, and not divide itself against itself???

to divide???

to access "part of something, that be ONE ENTITY, as "good or bad", and create such by believing what was 'heard', about "negative"???

it is the very "first notion", that a "bad exist", that will result in the mind believing it, so then reacting thru "emotion trigger" as such, therefore creating it into existence???

it is like a sales manager walking into a room, and upon hearing many words, that "itself does not like", bellowing forth, "NO MORE NEGATIVE TALK IN HERE"???

his "response" was a negative, was it not???

to try to combat "negative", with a negative, create a DOUBLE NEGATIVE, and why the downhill slide into the "negative" will result???

anyhow...

the only way for the brain, to escape negative, is to first deem nothing as negative???

nothing that human thinking has ver had, or known, to be able to do???

how can one create, what it has never felt???

which would be the same as to say, to create all positive???

do not the emotion's trigger either a "good" feeling, or a "bad feeling???

who can say to their emotion's, you do not exist???

who is not "chained" to the body, thru negative and positive emotion???

would make sense, that even all principles of the universe, of electricity, of flow, of movement, must have an OPPOSITE to envoke movement, or action???

man was restricted to "negative and positive", for a spell, a given time, for PROPULSION...

to create a "drive or will" mechanism...

good thing such was designed, into the planetary system, to pass away at the end of each cycle, or at the beginning of the transition into a 'higher realm', or at the beginning of a "greater evolved or elightened time...

as the ancient's were once called...

the end of the reign of the "god's"....

to convert in the mind, ALL THOUGHTS as positive, as each thought, each word, can have MANY more meaning's, than what is given by the hearer as the PURPORTED ONLY DEFINITION...

the DEFINITION, of the word itself, create INTO THE EXISTENCE???

ahh, to simply be "no longer captive" to emotion, the "knowing" riding ABOVE the emotion's, the "feeling"...

the same as to say, without "negative", no "positive" would, or could exist, as there would be NO POINT OF REFERENCE IN THE BRAIN, for the KNOWING OF THE OPPOSITE???

2012 is all about, deeming NO THOUGHTS AS "NEGATIVE", in inception, THEREBY resulting in the passding away of the "definition's only heard while and since inception onto the earth, or the womb, where all INTELLIGENCE is created???

how can intelligence be created, without "opposite's of everything that could or ever did exist???

just thoughts...

peace




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Fri 10/16/09 01:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 10/16/09 01:04 PM
David,

Nice to see you back.

That is a good way to look at it David. But I chose to define "negative" as things that do not grow, things that cause us to shrink from life, which is our true purpose.

Of course that is my opinion. There may be some whose purpose is to die, such as the salmon who feed many animals in their journey upstream to spawn.

I speak to the individual on a personal level. One who wants to be happy and improve their life. But if they are happy with their problems, then what seems 'negative' to me could be 'positive' to them and may serve to take them to the next step towards growth and life.

Just thoughts.... peace. flowerforyou

jrbogie's photo
Fri 10/16/09 01:13 PM





my guess is that we're hung up on symantics here. you say positive attitude, i say realistic. the glass half full/half empty thing applies here. a negative person sees the glass as half empty. a positive person sees the glass as half full. a realist sees it as both. all three are in fact correct.


No we are not hung up on semantics. Seeing what is "realistic" is what I mean by looking at the situation for what it is. Before you can improve your life or situation you have to first take stock of it and accept the situation.


fine bean. i'm under the impression that symantics means saying saying what we mean using different words that ultimately relate the same thought. i think that is what is happening between you and me. you say "seeing what is realistic is what i mean by looking at the situation for what it is". i agreed with that premise several posts ago. so how about this? positive attitude and realistic outlook mean the same thing as regards life sucking. now as i see it, we are no longer hung up on symantics here.



Where our 'semantic' problem was is that it looked like your excuse for "negative thinking" was because you were "looking at the reality of it." (And your opinion of the reality of it was that it sucked.)

I do not think that looking at the reality of a situation is "negative thinking" if you don't form an opinion of it like "It sucks."

You want to look at the reality of a situation in a detached and dispassionate manner as if you are looking at a problem that requires solving, then you go on to solve it.




well i'm sure you realize that men and women think differently in general. women often have to deal with their feelings where men accept reality. not always of course but i think in general this is true. as i say, i look at life sucking and when i do i make a realistic assesment and solve the problems. my motto is "when life sucks, change it". if you want to say life never sucks and that works for you, congratulations, you and i deal well with lifes problems.



While the masculine and feminine energy is different, I would not draw a line between how "men or women" think. I believe we all have the capability to think in a balanced manner between the two influences.

I would be insulted if a man implied that I don't "accept reality" because I am a woman. That's ridiculous.

I also did not mean to suggest to anyone that they say "life never sucks." What I did suggest is that when you look at the reality of a situation, you do so dispassionately without forming an opinion that "it sucks." Then you just accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can.

Where people make themselves miserable is when they don't accept what is and/or they try to change the things they have no control over.





we're saying essentially the same thing. i said generally men and women think differently. if you want me to rephrase and say,"masculine and feminine energy is different" then fine, i'll accept your wording. i understand that you don't agree that one can realistically look at his situation, concluded that at that moment life sucks and then proceed to indentify and solve the issues that would make life no longer suck. from my own experience, such has often been the case and this attitude has served me quite well.

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Fri 10/16/09 01:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 10/16/09 01:35 PM


we're saying essentially the same thing. i said generally men and women think differently. if you want me to rephrase and say,"masculine and feminine energy is different" then fine, i'll accept your wording. i understand that you don't agree that one can realistically look at his situation, concluded that at that moment life sucks and then proceed to indentify and solve the issues that would make life no longer suck. from my own experience, such has often been the case and this attitude has served me quite well.



Yes I think we are saying the same thing. It is when we decide that the reality of the situation is one that we don't like, that we decide it "sucks" and then we might decide to see if we can improve the situation to something we might like better.

I am aware that all people have a masculine and feminine side and that is why I use those terms rather than "men and women." I view people as people regardless of their physical sex or sexual orientation. I stopped engaging in the battle between the "sexes" a long time ago. It is a game I don't relish playing. (I'm too old for such nonsense.)laugh laugh laugh








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Sat 10/17/09 08:45 AM

I am aware that all people have a masculine and feminine side and that is why I use those terms rather than "men and women." I view people as people regardless of their physical sex or sexual orientation. I stopped engaging in the battle between the "sexes" a long time ago. It is a game I don't relish playing. (I'm too old for such nonsense.)laugh laugh laugh


lol. we've both been exposed to that game for about the same number of decades. perhaps we've learned to accept that we do differ and like the french, "viva le differance". don't know about you bean but took me several decades to get it. some say i still don't but eh.

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Sat 10/17/09 11:24 AM


I am aware that all people have a masculine and feminine side and that is why I use those terms rather than "men and women." I view people as people regardless of their physical sex or sexual orientation. I stopped engaging in the battle between the "sexes" a long time ago. It is a game I don't relish playing. (I'm too old for such nonsense.)laugh laugh laugh


lol. we've both been exposed to that game for about the same number of decades. perhaps we've learned to accept that we do differ and like the french, "viva le differance". don't know about you bean but took me several decades to get it. some say i still don't but eh.


We don't get older, we get 'better." laugh laugh :wink:

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Sun 10/25/09 08:32 PM

I once heard a person exclaim "I don't understand why some people commit suicide." All the while that person was smoking one cigarette after another and drinking like there was no tomorrow and eating junk food, putting on extra pounds every day.

Many of us are committing suicide...


... but only because it (suicide) tastes so good.

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Mon 10/26/09 11:51 AM
Negative thinking is infused in all of us rather we want to believe it or not. Some more then others. One only has to look at the art of posts we read on the forums here on Mingle2 to see how this works. We can overcome most of it if we take the time to reflect back. What keeps me positive and thinking in this way on a continuous bases is to be grateful that I have basic neccessities, that I am living in peace and not in a war, that I have loved ones who care about me, that I am healthy, and that I work hard in trying to help those that are less fortunate. These aspects remind me that I have a good life and that I can give goodness to those who think and experience negativity on a continous bases. Hopefully they will subside in negative thoughts and experiences and increase on a more productive and a positive lifestyle.

It is in us to try to make the next person feel better about themselves to where they too one day can do the same for someone else who has negative aspects in life.

Have a great day everyonedrinker






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Mon 10/26/09 12:00 PM
Happiness is an internal state of being.

Either you are happy or you are not.

Outside influences do make the degree of happiness fluctuate but the fact of happiness exists before outside influences can change it.

So if life hands you lemons and you are a happy person, you will make lemon aid and share it will your friends happily. If you are an unhappy person you will sit around with a sour face over your lemons and try to get others to join your misery.