Funny this topic should show up on Christian dominated folder. Shall we
look at some quotes from that latter day American prophet, Pat
Robertson?

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married,
you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the
head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and
that's the way it is, period."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a
socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave
their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter,
1992

Have fun figuring out what's *really* going on here.

-Kerry O.

Oops, am I not lucky to never have heard of that man?

some big religious goof ball here in the state Andrea...mostly full of
hot air and fecal matter

Well, I'm not coming there to see him

ahh ya ain't missin much

Kerry I don't see the problem..look at the forum category
mmm duh

There may be times interpretation can be accepted by a great span of
poeple. Lest we are lulled by the sweet community we share in this one
concept, KerryO, simply reminds us that one interpretation does not a
doctrine make.

We all must awake from dreams, but it is nice to share one,
occasionally.

The sad part is I bet that fundraising letter raised millions....

Boredchick writes:

" Kerry I don't see the problem..look at the forum category
mmm duh "

I'm not surprised that you don't, never having been married yourself. I
have feeling you're in for some difficult lessons about the male ego.

And do you even *know* anyone who was/is a member of NOW? I count some
as among my friends, and they are strong, independent, dangerous women.

BTW, did you know that taken as a whole, marriages between atheists tend
to be more permanent than those between people of faith?


-Kerry O.

Well thanx for your opinion but I don't agree. I have friends who are
atheists and agnostics but it won't go any further then that.

There are major reasons why and I won't discuss that here. Email me

Has anyone heard of the book "incompatability grounds for a great
marriage" the Authors are Chuck and Barb Snyder. I agree with spider
except that i've recently had a new thought on the Husband having the
last say. The book is the reason for this. Of course marriage is reallt
about team. Now,when,not if, but when a couple reaches a point of
disagreement i believe that (neither) should go ahead with whatever it
was until they pray for a cange of heart. Notice i didn't say pray to
change the other persons heart. Just pray for the harmony to come and
wait until it does, and if it doean't come, then don't do whatever it
was that caused the disagreement period.

Differentkindofwench writes:

" The sad part is I bet that fundraising letter raised millions...."

Probably. Just like the founder of Operation Rescue founder, Randall
Terry, who famously said:

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you
to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good . . . Our goal
is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty; we are called by God to
conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."

Turns out that years later, from last I read, he was censured by his own
pastor for abandoning his wife and children and allegedly engaging in
(in the words of that pastor) a "pattern of repeated and sinful
relationships and conversations with both single and married women."

He ran for a congressional seat in New York in 1998, and though he was
well funded, he suffered a landslide defeat.

Next, he became a celebrity in the Terry Schiavo affair, hoping to have
Terry's Law passed, which the Public in no uncertain terms rejected as
government meddling in one of the most important event of a person's
life, their last days.

Zealotry and extremism apparently don't go over with the American public
as well as some would have us believe.


-Kerry O.

>> marriages between atheists tend to be more permanent than those between people

Kerry O, I was not aware of this. If this is true, it would not
surprise me in the least. On the other hand, it may not be related to
some intrinsic property of atheism/theism, but more to with the
relationship between the individual and the culture surrounding them; or
something else altogether.

BoredChick, I'm confused by your post - 'disagreeing' with KerryO's
'opinion'. One's view on the average length of different people's
marriages can be influenced by how one interprets the evidence, but its
still clearly not a matter of 'opinion'.

lol massage I was replying to his comment on relationships between
atheists and believers. I was basically telling him "thankyou for
sharing your opinion but I disagree"

massagetrade writes:

"Kerry O, I was not aware of this. If this is true, it would not
surprise me in the least. On the other hand, it may not be related to
some intrinsic property of atheism/theism, but more to with the
relationship between the individual and the culture surrounding them; or
something else altogether."

Here are figures from the Religious Tolerance website:


Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion / % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

As to why? I'm not sure anyone knows, but if I had to speculate, I'd say
there's more 'give and take' because dogma doesn't get in the way. I
know that had something to do with why my sister's marriage broke up to
the son of a preacher-- she ended up doing all the work while he
asserted his Christian male privilege to be the leader. He refused to
hold steady employment, while, for the longest time, making all the
monetary decisions. She earned all the family money as a nurse working
very long hours. When he became somewhat abusive to the youngest, she'd
had enough.

-Kerry O.

Kerry,

Thanks for posting those stats!

>> As to why? I'm not sure anyone knows.

Well, I certainly agree with that part of your commentary!

I think dogma may play a role, but I strongly suspect other factors
play a role. What is the average age at which Christians and atheists
marry? How do Christians and atheists (statistically) handle situations
like an un-intended pregnancy? How many deep, involved relationships
does each group tend to have, before marrying a person?

i don't think bored's opinions are because she hasn't been married
yet.. i haven't been married, but i'm no idiot to our patriarchal
society, nor am i to the ways that our culture brings people up by
saying that i mean the assignment of gender and the classification of
right/ wrong good/evil.. I think bored comes out of a faith where she's
learned one way and hasn't thought about it in the other way..

I've actually heard the quotes before about feminism being anti
marriage, etc. face it lots of christiands determine that we feminist
are lesbian butch men haters, when in reality they're playing on a
stereotype and for the most part i think many young women have been
deceived intoday's time to think that either feminist are this
stereotype, or that there is no need for feminism left in the world
because america is so " equal," they only believe that because they
don't know the issues or they fail to see them in their adequate light..

just my opinion

hi sororitygirl..um about my faith, I've looked at other angles but stay
true to what I believe. That's all

Note: I love your posts because there always well done

SororityChick writes:

" i don't think bored's opinions are because she hasn't been married
yet.. i haven't been married, but i'm no idiot to our patriarchal
society, nor am i to the ways that our culture brings people up by
saying that i mean the assignment of gender and the classification of
right/ wrong good/evil.. I think bored comes out of a faith where she's
learned one way and hasn't thought about it in the other way.."

I was thinking of something more basic- human nature. Of how, no matter
your sex, one can count on the other half of the courtship ritual
putting on their best airs. Of being on their best behaviour in the
beginning and how, only later, laziness, narcissism and good old
selfishness get loose for a breath of fresh air in a committed
relationship. Probably more akin to giving birth-- men might understand
it, but experience it? Really? Naaaaw.

Please don't misunderstand or think me condescending. But I like the way
the comedian George Carlin once said it: "... and you watch in horror as
your blushing bride starts turning into... RALPH EFFIN KRAMDEN." :) Or,
as the guys become like him, too: "One of these days, Alice... to the
moon!" (See: Ralph Kramden on Wikipedia)

Oy. It's great when it works, but ask the walking wounded-- it's hell on
earth when it doesn't! And nothing prepares you totally for it.

-Kerry O.