Topic: POLICE ACCIDENTALLY SHOOT HOMEOWNER 6 TIMES
Ruth34611's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:11 PM
The cop did not accidentally shoot the homeowner. He mistook the homeowner for the suspect.

I thought we cleared that up already.

franshade's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:16 PM

The cop did not accidentally shoot the homeowner. He mistook the homeowner for the suspect.

I thought we cleared that up already.


Ruth notice I am not for nor against the police - rather the fact that it took 6 shots for the shooter to realize he'd made a mistake. Again I say:

I see shooting someone once, as an oops
twice - oh sh.!t I made a boo boo
three times - intentional
four times - out to kill
five times - really out to kill
six times - pretty lousy shot

tongue2

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Tue 10/13/09 01:17 PM
There are a number of morals to this story, not the least of which is, if the police approach you with guns drawn, you might want to not have a firearm.

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:29 PM


The cop did not accidentally shoot the homeowner. He mistook the homeowner for the suspect.

I thought we cleared that up already.


Ruth notice I am not for nor against the police - rather the fact that it took 6 shots for the shooter to realize he'd made a mistake. Again I say:

I see shooting someone once, as an oops
twice - oh sh.!t I made a boo boo
three times - intentional
four times - out to kill
five times - really out to kill
six times - pretty lousy shot

tongue2


I am not for or against the police either. My point is that in the case of mistaken identity how many times you fire is not relevant. If it took 6 rounds to put the guy down then that's how many it took. And I'm not saying it should or should not have taken that many. I wasn't there so I don't know.

The cop isn't going to realize after two or three shots that he's shooting the wrong guy. In his mind he was shooting the bad guy and he didn't realize until it was all over.
It sounds like there were several mistakes made which caused this to happen. The first being the cops rushing in to the house. The second being no commands given to the homeowner.

Now I will give you the fact that it shows poor fire power control to shoot 6 times IF the suspect was going down. But that's a big IF. People don't go flying back when they've been shot like in the movies.

I was taught to "double tap". Shoot twice aiming for center body mass. Then quickly reevaluate.

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Tue 10/13/09 01:36 PM

There are a number of morals to this story, not the least of which is, if the police approach you with guns drawn, you might want to not have a firearm.


Or put it down as they're coming into the room. I understand wanting to hold an intruder at gunpoint for the police. But once the police get there, drop it immediately (not near the suspect, please). Put your hands up and do what they tell you.

I'm not saying that's what did or did not happen in this case. This is just general advice.

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Tue 10/13/09 01:38 PM
if the cop had been using a real gun besides those woosie 9mm's he wouldn't have needed six shots

a 45 would have put him down with one shot

franshade's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:41 PM



The cop did not accidentally shoot the homeowner. He mistook the homeowner for the suspect.

I thought we cleared that up already.


Ruth notice I am not for nor against the police - rather the fact that it took 6 shots for the shooter to realize he'd made a mistake. Again I say:

I see shooting someone once, as an oops
twice - oh sh.!t I made a boo boo
three times - intentional
four times - out to kill
five times - really out to kill
six times - pretty lousy shot

tongue2


I am not for or against the police either. My point is that in the case of mistaken identity how many times you fire is not relevant. If it took 6 rounds to put the guy down then that's how many it took. And I'm not saying it should or should not have taken that many. I wasn't there so I don't know.

The cop isn't going to realize after two or three shots that he's shooting the wrong guy. In his mind he was shooting the bad guy and he didn't realize until it was all over.
It sounds like there were several mistakes made which caused this to happen. The first being the cops rushing in to the house. The second being no commands given to the homeowner.

Now I will give you the fact that it shows poor fire power control to shoot 6 times IF the suspect was going down. But that's a big IF. People don't go flying back when they've been shot like in the movies.

I was taught to "double tap". Shoot twice aiming for center body mass. Then quickly reevaluate.


If it took 6 shots for him to get someone to release any weapon, I'd like to have that officer taking more classes at the firing range. :laughing:

I heard same of the "double tap" rule laugh in fact, the sheriff that told me about that was the one that told me the one=oopps, etc, six = lousy shot... :wink:

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Tue 10/13/09 01:49 PM
I had a friend who was a deputy

he pulled over a guy who charged at him with a knife. turns out the guy was on meth and it took twelve shots to put him down (9mm's again). He said the guy finally fell right at his feet

at the hearing the judge said "why did you see the need to shoot this man 12 times?"

my friend answered "because that was all I had in the clip, Your Honor"

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:49 PM


If it took 6 shots for him to get someone to release any weapon, I'd like to have that officer taking more classes at the firing range. :laughing:

I heard same of the "double tap" rule laugh in fact, the sheriff that told me about that was the one that told me the one=oopps, etc, six = lousy shot... :wink:


I'd have to agree if you're talking about being a bad shot. Which is different than pulling the trigger 6 times accidentally. That what I thought you were saying.

I think some of my firsts posts on this topic were that it sounded like a training issue.

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Tue 10/13/09 01:52 PM

I had a friend who was a deputy

he pulled over a guy who charged at him with a knife. turns out the guy was on meth and it took twelve shots to put him down (9mm's again). He said the guy finally fell right at his feet

at the hearing the judge said "why did you see the need to shoot this man 12 times?"

my friend answered "because that was all I had in the clip, Your Honor"


:laughing:

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 10/13/09 01:53 PM

I had a friend who was a deputy

he pulled over a guy who charged at him with a knife. turns out the guy was on meth and it took twelve shots to put him down (9mm's again). He said the guy finally fell right at his feet

at the hearing the judge said "why did you see the need to shoot this man 12 times?"

my friend answered "because that was all I had in the clip, Your Honor"


slaphead

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Tue 10/13/09 01:54 PM



If it took 6 shots for him to get someone to release any weapon, I'd like to have that officer taking more classes at the firing range. :laughing:

I heard same of the "double tap" rule laugh in fact, the sheriff that told me about that was the one that told me the one=oopps, etc, six = lousy shot... :wink:


I'd have to agree if you're talking about being a bad shot. Which is different than pulling the trigger 6 times accidentally. That what I thought you were saying.

I think some of my firsts posts on this topic were that it sounded like a training issue.

laugh No Ruth, the article's headline mentioned the accidental/mistaken shooting.

Hell, I don't go to the range that often and I am certain I can score more than that officer. laugh I'll even take off my glasses rofl

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Tue 10/13/09 02:01 PM




If it took 6 shots for him to get someone to release any weapon, I'd like to have that officer taking more classes at the firing range. :laughing:

I heard same of the "double tap" rule laugh in fact, the sheriff that told me about that was the one that told me the one=oopps, etc, six = lousy shot... :wink:


I'd have to agree if you're talking about being a bad shot. Which is different than pulling the trigger 6 times accidentally. That what I thought you were saying.

I think some of my firsts posts on this topic were that it sounded like a training issue.

laugh No Ruth, the article's headline mentioned the accidental/mistaken shooting.

Hell, I don't go to the range that often and I am certain I can score more than that officer. laugh I'll even take off my glasses rofl


Well a real life shooting is a little different than shooting at th range.

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Tue 10/13/09 02:17 PM


Saluted ya with a brewskie last night, didn't see it? laugh drinker

Yes, I know what your initial question was, I was responding to the irresponsible answer of saying cops should be shot at. Accident/mistaken, no difference to me, an accident is a mistake. We all make mistakes and we all have accidents. Sadly, this was a grave mistake.


that was pretty crass, but bottoms up drinker

I see shooting someone once, as an oops
twice - oh sh.!t I made a boo boo
three times - intentional
four times - out to kill
five times - really out to kill
six times - pretty lousy shot



Six times does sound like a lot but you don't know how big the guy was and how scare the cop was . I've seen worst there was a poor women in so centreal la who didn't have money to pay her gas bill . she had a 13 year old girl liveing with her . when the gas co . went to her shack to turn off the gas she came out with a bread knife and they emptyed there guns in her in front of her daughter .
I would bet she caused it her self to escape her crappy life . what ever the real reason she knew she would die when she confronted the cops with a weapon .

I DON'T THINK A KNIFE IS A DEADLY WEAPON when confronted with gun s . in this case and others like it the people don't deserve to die . but a guy with a gun in his hand is stupid right or wrong is not very smart to walk up on a cop with a gun in his hand in the middle of an investgation with out a very clear warning to the cop thats he is coming to him with a gun in his hand .

when the day is over and its time to go home with his family a cop has that right too.

cashu's photo
Tue 10/13/09 02:23 PM
Edited by cashu on Tue 10/13/09 02:26 PM




If it took 6 shots for him to get someone to release any weapon, I'd like to have that officer taking more classes at the firing range. :laughing:

I heard same of the "double tap" rule laugh in fact, the sheriff that told me about that was the one that told me the one=oopps, etc, six = lousy shot... :wink:


I'd have to agree if you're talking about being a bad shot. Which is different than pulling the trigger 6 times accidentally. That what I thought you were saying.

I think some of my firsts posts on this topic were that it sounded like a training issue.

Its for sure he does need to get more training on the shooting range . the guy lived .

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Tue 10/13/09 02:30 PM
Racist Cop Cleared After Shooting Home Invasion Victim 6 Times
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Written by jackyj on Oct-10-09 2:14pm
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Just minutes after an armed homeowner apprehends a man who broke into his home, Tony Arambula called 9-1-1 and waited for police to take the bandit to jail. “Little did we know that who we called to save us would hurt us and change our lives forever,” said Tony’s wife, Leslie Arambula, “The police dragged my husband out of our house by the leg that they had just shot him in…my kids and I were witness to my husband’s bloody body just laying there.”

The man who was desperately trying to protect his family during the home invasion, was shot a total of six times – including once in his back, once in his hip area, once in his forearm, and three more times while he was on the ground.

Officer Brian Lilly openly admits to being responsible for firing six shots at the distressed homeowner. “My husband didn’t shoot Canales (the intruder) in the back because he thought that that would be the wrong thing to do,” says Leslie. “But unfortunately Brian Lilly didn’t have a problem shooting my husband in the back without any commands.”

This brings me back to CNN’s Rick Sanchez’s heated discussion with Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio, surrounding racial profiling. During that interview, Sheriff Arpaio stated he granted more than a million dollars of government funding…all to get rid of illegal immigrants!!! So guess what the disturbed Sheriff started doing? Don’t know? I’ll tell you – Harassing Mexicans (even those born in America). Sheriff Joe claims that law enforcement officers can determine illegal aliens based on characteristics including speech and attire!!! WTF???

It’s clear to me that Tony Arambula has unfortunately fallen victim to what Sheriff Joe Arpaio preaches. When cops arrived at the scene of the burglary, Officer Brian Lilly saw a Mexican (Tony), and automatically assumed he was the criminal…Is this America – “The Land of the Free”???????????

Now, the Arambula family is suing the Phoenix Police Department for almost $6-million. “Everybody in the circle of command here knew it was Tony with the gun,” says the family’s attorney, Michael Manning. “They (the cops) didn’t try to calm or diffuse the situation, they immediately opened fire without doing anything, and shot the man in the back.”

Shocking audio from 9-1-1 dispatch tapes reveal Tony’s plea to his wife after taking half-a-dozen bullets to into his body. “I can’t believe this is happening to me!” “Leslie, I love you…(bleep)….I love you.”

Doctors say Tony Arambula is now looking at a lifetime of pain and arthritis, adding that he may been looking at losing one of his hands.

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http://www.zimbio.com/Hollywood+Street+King/articles/oy_ovxO8eoe/Racist+Cop+Cleared+After+Shooting+Home+Invasion

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Wed 10/14/09 05:55 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Wed 10/14/09 05:58 AM

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Wed 10/14/09 06:10 AM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn

Phoenix Police Dept being sued for $6million by Tony Arambula. Tony called 911, police showed up and fired upon Arambula.

Once heck even twice can be accidental, how can being shot 6 times be accidental?

Officer has been cleared of any wrongdoing.


This is why I have a minimal amount of respect for law enforcement, they can't even prosecute their own guys how do they figure they can catch the criminals if they themselves are the criminals?

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Wed 10/14/09 02:59 PM

I interpreted the accidental part as they cop THOUGHT the victim was the perp. I don't know why the cop got off from the charges though. I don't know the whole story to really comment. Did the cop tell the guy to drop the guy and the guy didn't???? what exactly happened???? like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop....the world may never know

But if the cop just started shooting...then he should be in jail IMO


The crazy thing is this: On his way into the house, the cop was told by the wife (who let the cops into the house) that the husband had the intruder at gun point. She said "My husband is the one with the gun". The cop admitted that he opened fire without warning and shot the home owner in the back and continued shooting him when he hit the ground.

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Wed 10/14/09 03:01 PM

The cop did not accidentally shoot the homeowner. He mistook the homeowner for the suspect.

I thought we cleared that up already.


As the officer entered the house, the homeowners wife informed the officer that her husband was the one with the gun.