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I'm skeptical of this picture and the claim, only because I believe that it is not permitted for a uniformed soldier to modify his uniform for political reasons, no matter what those politics are.
As to the statements attributed to the three percenters, or whomever, I wont argue against them, but they seem a bit unnecessarily paranoid to me. I've never heard anyone propose even half the wild things listed ( at least not anyone who has a chance of being taken seriously). It reminds me of the left-wing claptrap I ran into as a youth, people paranoid that the U.S. was about to be turned into another nazi state, or the ravings of the folks who are sure the aliens are about to land and give us ALL anal probe tests. |
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. 
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. Me three 
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. Me three me four I don't see anything wrong in that oath...but that's just me |
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. Me three me four I don't see anything wrong in that oath...but that's just me  going for number 5??? anyone??  Right, just me too  |
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. Me three me four I don't see anything wrong in that oath...but that's just me going for number 5??? anyone?? Right, just me too count me in. LOL..I posted the article... I'll join the mingle militia. 
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 It's a hoax. |
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Umm...you do realize what i was saying is that states are merely trying to reaffirm their soveriegnty right? the states have no right to soverienty. they are not nations unto themselves. I don't think secession is the issue. But states do have the right (at least some states) not to adopt certain Federal Laws. For instance, the legal drinking age in Louisiana was 18 until the mid 1990's. other than in d.c. there is no federal drinking law. most laws are reserved to the states. and there is no state that can elect not "to adopt certain federal laws". u.s. law trumps all state laws. just look at medical marajauna in california. a private citezen can legally grow pot in some municipalities if it's prescribed by a doctor and yet he is subjecting himself to federal procecution if the attorney general so decides. |
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I'm skeptical of this picture and the claim, only because I believe that it is not permitted for a uniformed soldier to modify his uniform for political reasons, no matter what those politics are. such a picture is fraudulent. nobody who's been in the military and subjected to the ucmj would even begin to believe such a statement could be made on the uniform. |
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Forget about the secession for now, or any sort of armed uprising ... Imagine if the soldiers would have disobeyed the order during the Abu Grahib prison scandal. Explain what you mean. I think the leaders were solely responsible for any unlawful orders they gave at that camp. A soldier following an order should not be held responsible in my opinion, is just creates confusion about when an ORDER is an order. In a tight and life threatening environment like the us military soldiers cannot afford and soldiers do not always have time to disect every order as to its lawfulness, that is the captains job to determine before he gives it, or it should be. I certainly agree that the leaders should be held responsible. However, it begs the question - at what point does it become an individual responsibility to know what right and wrong? Does the military so warp the mind that in effect your average soldier is a mindless automaton? I mean really, if a woman was gang-raped by a group of men, on orders, by the leader, are you really telling me that ONLY the leader should face punishment? Where's the responsibility that doing that is just wrong, PERIOD? Silly question on my part considering it happened to a teenager. But we have all heard the horror stories of soldiers (I'm thinking Kosovo/Bosnia and that, so not American soldiers) who use rape as a way to break down and destroy the civilians mentally. |
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You are absolutely correct Equis, and the sad truth is our common soldier (in the army anyway) Is turned into an automaton as much as possible. And while I agree that this is neccesarry to a certain degree (you have to know the soldeir is going to do exactly what they are told no matter what while you are under fire; there is NO time to stop and question the lawfulness of an order), there is NO excuse for it in garrison, and little excuse for it elsewhere.
When you find that rare soldier who is willing to stand up and say "no this is wrong and not legal" you see that soldier get punished for disobeying an order more times than not, because it helps reinforce the automaton mind set; the other soldiers see him disobey the order, and then get punished for it whether he was right or wrong. This tells thim they are screwed no matter what. I remember when I was outside Bosnia. A colonel and his seceratary were found in certain compromising acts at 1 in the morning. She got a dishonorable discharge (adultry; perversion or whatever you wanna call it; the army only recognizes the missionary style as a natural and thus legal form of copulation; relations with a superior officer). The colonel? He was transferred back tot he states where he accepted a command post. What does this tell everybody? |
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I don't know if that photo is legitimate or not but it is not too hard for me to believe.Anyone who has been in the military knows that his unit or command typically has a motto and a flag posted around the command.You don't have to look too hard to find drawings or paintings either painted on the equipment(such as on a aircraft tail or on a tank)often depecting things such as death and destruction(such as the "death from above" painted on the USAF C-130 gunships) or superiority along with that commands number.These are not endorced by the military but much like a lot of things in the military most people just don't give a crap including the high brass to do anything about it.
There is no way I believe this patch would be standard issue on a Army uniform but I do belive there is probably a small command or two that are wearing these patches including the commanding officers who are probably getting away with it because they are in the middle of nowhere and everyone is in agreement with it. |
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if it was a motto, or company standard (flag) then I would agree with you about it being anywhere. However I garuntee you it is not being worn on the uniforms by ANYONE where it can be seen at all as you can be given a field grade article fifteen for something like that, which at maximum consists of 45 days confinement, 45 days loss of pay and up to two ranks in reduction, as well as forty five days extra duty. There is NOWHERE that a single unit or company or even battalion could get away with wearing something like this as there are other units, companies, battalions etc all around them.
Now, I am sure there are groups of soldiers (mainly kids) who think they are hotshot and tough badasses that are in agreeance with this; however, I promise youthey are not wearing that tag where it can be seen, and they are nto likely to be having it anywhere near their persons or possesions because they do not want to get hit for it. I don't know if that photo is legitimate or not but it is not too hard for me to believe.Anyone who has been in the military knows that his unit or command typically has a motto and a flag posted around the command.You don't have to look too hard to find drawings or paintings either painted on the equipment(such as on a aircraft tail or on a tank)often depecting things such as death and destruction(such as the "death from above" painted on the USAF C-130 gunships) or superiority along with that commands number.These are not endorced by the military but much like a lot of things in the military most people just don't give a crap including the high brass to do anything about it. There is no way I believe this patch would be standard issue on a Army uniform but I do belive there is probably a small command or two that are wearing these patches including the commanding officers who are probably getting away with it because they are in the middle of nowhere and everyone is in agreement with it. |
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if it was a motto, or company standard (flag) then I would agree with you about it being anywhere. However I garuntee you it is not being worn on the uniforms by ANYONE where it can be seen at all as you can be given a field grade article fifteen for something like that, which at maximum consists of 45 days confinement, 45 days loss of pay and up to two ranks in reduction, as well as forty five days extra duty. There is NOWHERE that a single unit or company or even battalion could get away with wearing something like this as there are other units, companies, battalions etc all around them. Now, I am sure there are groups of soldiers (mainly kids) who think they are hotshot and tough badasses that are in agreeance with this; however, I promise youthey are not wearing that tag where it can be seen, and they are nto likely to be having it anywhere near their persons or possesions because they do not want to get hit for it. I don't know if that photo is legitimate or not but it is not too hard for me to believe.Anyone who has been in the military knows that his unit or command typically has a motto and a flag posted around the command.You don't have to look too hard to find drawings or paintings either painted on the equipment(such as on a aircraft tail or on a tank)often depecting things such as death and destruction(such as the "death from above" painted on the USAF C-130 gunships) or superiority along with that commands number.These are not endorced by the military but much like a lot of things in the military most people just don't give a crap including the high brass to do anything about it. There is no way I believe this patch would be standard issue on a Army uniform but I do belive there is probably a small command or two that are wearing these patches including the commanding officers who are probably getting away with it because they are in the middle of nowhere and everyone is in agreement with it. I don't agree because although they have general military rules that all soldiers and commands must follow we all know every command and every commander of that command has his or her personal rules and beliefs.When I was in the Navy our command probably broke just about every rule in the book at one time or another.I can remember several times reporting for duty in nothing but a white T-shirt,shorts,and flip flops.I can remember doing things like gambling,watching porn movies,and hazing new members on our command.Not only did our commander not write us up a lot of times he wanted to grade how we hazed the newbies.Could we put things on our uniforms like we what this solder did?We never did but I am sure he wouldn't care about it non the less. Despite all the mischief and rule breaking we did it was strictly confided to our Command.We never broke any rules off the Command and when we would get inspections by the fleet Commanders we got everything in order and looked and acted like we were supposed to act. Getting back to the main story...I understand that there is other battalions in the area but non of them are going to know what that patch on his uniform means as it could just be a identification for the unit which they are free to rename as long as the Commander oks it.A good example would be for say a battalion who are a bunch devoted Christian holy rollers and lets just say they battalion call name was JN316 4th division.To the people in the company the real call name would be John 3:16(as a bible verse)but since it was in code nobody would know about it.Even if they did find out they could just lie and say it was just a random number and call letters much the same way this company can deny that their company unit ID # is associated with going against the constitution.You can bring the whole Command including the Commander into court and charge them but it will never stick and it would never happen anyways.I worked for the Army last year and we talked about this subject and we all agreed nobody would turn on American citizens.A great deal if not all the military is on the side of the Americans and our country.They could give a crap less about our Government,the President,and our worthless politicians. |
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yuo sre correct in that certain regs and rules are overlooked by certain commands and such so long as nothing comes of it int he end; it is different for each comand on what is overlooked and what isnt.
HOWEVER, if I understood your one statement correctly, you suggested that the commander has the capability of changing the name of the company,battalion, whatever level we are talking about. This is not the case. The commander does not have the authority to choose the name of the unit. Yes they may have a name they call themselves, but it is not official, and they use the official name whenever they are dealing with someone outside of the unit. In regards to making a patch or something for the uniform to represent this, and say that no other military man or woman would know what it meant is utter nonsense. The ONLY thing allowed on the military battle-fatigue uniform (the camo-colored uniform, is what has been directly approved by the Department of Defense. This is something that can not be arbitrarily changed by each unit. A unit can choose to have unit t-shirts or sweatshirts, etc made up for unit events in order to identify the unit and personell in a non-formal setting, such as a company family picnic; in this case the unit may have the company emblem placed on the back of it for use during company events, so as to identify the unit and it's members. Same for the battalion level, and I am assuming an entire post can do this as well. BUT with the actual military uniform, strict conformance to the department of defense guidelines is followed. if it was a motto, or company standard (flag) then I would agree with you about it being anywhere. However I garuntee you it is not being worn on the uniforms by ANYONE where it can be seen at all as you can be given a field grade article fifteen for something like that, which at maximum consists of 45 days confinement, 45 days loss of pay and up to two ranks in reduction, as well as forty five days extra duty. There is NOWHERE that a single unit or company or even battalion could get away with wearing something like this as there are other units, companies, battalions etc all around them. Now, I am sure there are groups of soldiers (mainly kids) who think they are hotshot and tough badasses that are in agreeance with this; however, I promise youthey are not wearing that tag where it can be seen, and they are nto likely to be having it anywhere near their persons or possesions because they do not want to get hit for it. I don't know if that photo is legitimate or not but it is not too hard for me to believe.Anyone who has been in the military knows that his unit or command typically has a motto and a flag posted around the command.You don't have to look too hard to find drawings or paintings either painted on the equipment(such as on a aircraft tail or on a tank)often depecting things such as death and destruction(such as the "death from above" painted on the USAF C-130 gunships) or superiority along with that commands number.These are not endorced by the military but much like a lot of things in the military most people just don't give a crap including the high brass to do anything about it. There is no way I believe this patch would be standard issue on a Army uniform but I do belive there is probably a small command or two that are wearing these patches including the commanding officers who are probably getting away with it because they are in the middle of nowhere and everyone is in agreement with it. I don't agree because although they have general military rules that all soldiers and commands must follow we all know every command and every commander of that command has his or her personal rules and beliefs.When I was in the Navy our command probably broke just about every rule in the book at one time or another.I can remember several times reporting for duty in nothing but a white T-shirt,shorts,and flip flops.I can remember doing things like gambling,watching porn movies,and hazing new members on our command.Not only did our commander not write us up a lot of times he wanted to grade how we hazed the newbies.Could we put things on our uniforms like we what this solder did?We never did but I am sure he wouldn't care about it non the less. Despite all the mischief and rule breaking we did it was strictly confided to our Command.We never broke any rules off the Command and when we would get inspections by the fleet Commanders we got everything in order and looked and acted like we were supposed to act. Getting back to the main story...I understand that there is other battalions in the area but non of them are going to know what that patch on his uniform means as it could just be a identification for the unit which they are free to rename as long as the Commander oks it.A good example would be for say a battalion who are a bunch devoted Christian holy rollers and lets just say they battalion call name was JN316 4th division.To the people in the company the real call name would be John 3:16(as a bible verse)but since it was in code nobody would know about it.Even if they did find out they could just lie and say it was just a random number and call letters much the same way this company can deny that their company unit ID # is associated with going against the constitution.You can bring the whole Command including the Commander into court and charge them but it will never stick and it would never happen anyways.I worked for the Army last year and we talked about this subject and we all agreed nobody would turn on American citizens.A great deal if not all the military is on the side of the Americans and our country.They could give a crap less about our Government,the President,and our worthless politicians. |
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I'm skeptical of this picture and the claim, only because I believe that it is not permitted for a uniformed soldier to modify his uniform for political reasons, no matter what those politics are. As to the statements attributed to the three percenters, or whomever, I wont argue against them, but they seem a bit unnecessarily paranoid to me. I've never heard anyone propose even half the wild things listed ( at least not anyone who has a chance of being taken seriously). It reminds me of the left-wing claptrap I ran into as a youth, people paranoid that the U.S. was about to be turned into another nazi state, or the ravings of the folks who are sure the aliens are about to land and give us ALL anal probe tests. google "great new orleans gun grab" |
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... amen |
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Me too. Me three me four I don't see anything wrong in that oath...but that's just me going for number 5??? anyone?? Right, just me too count me in. LOL..I posted the article... I'll join the mingle militia. Me six!
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It's a hoax
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Nifty thing.... There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... Too bad it is a hoax
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