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Edited by
Atlantis75
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 The above photo was submitted by an active duty Oath Keeper in Mosul Iraq, sporting an Oath Keepers tab. As his other tab and patch make clear, he is also a “Three Percenter.” (see below) The photo was also posted over at the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog with this message: Just thought the WRSA [Western Rifle Shooters Association] and the Sipsey Street boys might like to see what we are wearing while over here in Iraq. We . . . know what the deal is, and when the time comes (which it will), we know where we stand and continue to make preparations for it. Keep up the good work! Regards from Mosul, K7C 1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people. 2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people 3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal. 4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state. 5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty. 6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. 7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. 8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control." 9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies. 10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ here is a youtube video for you about the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zztaj2AFiy8  |
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wow..interesting..I hope there is a lot of them..
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Great.
Too bad for the "secessors", they won't be American citizens anymore huh? |
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Thats interesting. I will have to ask my brother who is retired military about that. I find it interesting that any special interest type patches are allowed to be placed on military uniforms. Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting
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Nifty thing....
There is an oath a soldier must take, and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic. This comes in priority before the part stating that I wil obey the orders of the president of the united states and those officers appointed over me. I love it. If the president gave an order that blatently violated the constitution, he would be relieved of command if this were followed to the letter... Anyone know anything about the Patriot Act? Bush would have been thrown out of office back in 2001. In fact, i can't think of many presidents that wouldn't have been thrown out in the last century. It makes me happy to see soldiers realizing that oath... |
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For those unfamiliar with the oath,,...
"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). The OP suggests that there will be no recognition of domestic enemies, that any one american by definition cannot be an enemy. Its an interesting POV. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Sun 10/11/09 11:02 AM
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Thats interesting. I will have to ask my brother who is retired military about that. I find it interesting that any special interest type patches are allowed to be placed on military uniforms. Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting It's a convenient Velcro patch that can be taken on/off.  Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting which military oath, makes them a "non-compliance"? |
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ahh,, excellent point. So the patches are probably there WITHOUT actual approval.
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Sun 10/11/09 11:05 AM
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ahh,, excellent point. So the patches are probably there WITHOUT actual approval. So...you're saying they should be hunted down and face courtmarshall for serving the Constitution? |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Sun 10/11/09 11:05 AM
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in the military you are required to disobey an "unlawful order"
all of those "I won't obey" statements are referring to unlawful orders. the military is and should be non partisan, regardless of the individual's political affiliation this is all just an assurance that the military people serve the United States of America and not any individual or cause |
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Thats interesting. I will have to ask my brother who is retired military about that. I find it interesting that any special interest type patches are allowed to be placed on military uniforms. Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting A soldier's oath of enlistment: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." The priority here is placed when supporting and defending the constitution is mentioned before following orders. This means that if even the president of the United States gave an order to raid the streets of civilian personel, and disarm the citizens (In our country), it would be a soldier's duty to decline that order. In fact, that soldier would be obligated to relieve the president of command. I used to be a paratrooper. This is part of why i get so passionate about certain things. |
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in the military you are required to disobey an "unlawful order" all of those "I won't obey" statements are referring to unlawful orders. the military is and should be non partisan, regardless of the individual's political affiliation this is all just an assurance that the military people serve the United States of America and not any individual or cause Too bad they didn't do that with the unlawful order of going to Iraq for 9/11. 
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in the military you are required to disobey an "unlawful order" all of those "I won't obey" statements are referring to unlawful orders. the military is and should be non partisan, regardless of the individual's political affiliation this is all just an assurance that the military people serve the United States of America and not any individual or cause Too bad they didn't do that with the unlawful order of going to Iraq for 9/11. but it wasnt unlawful it was approved by Congress and enacted in accordance with a UN Resolution (I forget which one) |
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I used to be a paratrooper. This is part of why i get so passionate about certain things. <----- 1/102 , 29th Division. |
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As a veteran of the United States Army, I garuntee you that the picture shown is nothing but nonsense. The only patches allowed on the Army uniform, are those directly related to the army/military itself, and the soldiers specific units. Special interest ribbons and badges are definitely not authorized.
In regards to people belonging to this special interest group(s) named, you will find them anywhere and everywhere; sadly, even in the military. Is it possible that it has spread through an entire unit, yes; likely? definitely not likely. I for one, as a veteran, would like to find out WHO actually created this photograph, and false message, and see them court martialled for treasonous acts to the United States, which the direct refusal of an order is. I would like that to be done for EVERYONE who spreads dissent while in the military. Thats interesting. I will have to ask my brother who is retired military about that. I find it interesting that any special interest type patches are allowed to be placed on military uniforms. Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting |
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Great. Too bad for the "secessors", they won't be American citizens anymore huh? "5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty." What we are seeing is not succession. If you look into what the states are trying to do, it is declaring their sovereignty. This means they can just about cut themselves our of the Federal Government. A state has the power to Override the Dapartment of Education, Energy, etc. And can be completely self sufficient if it does not violate the constitution. |
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As a veteran of the United States Army, I garuntee you that the picture shown is nothing but nonsense. The only patches allowed on the Army uniform, are those directly related to the army/military itself, and the soldiers specific units. Special interest ribbons and badges are definitely not authorized. In regards to people belonging to this special interest group(s) named, you will find them anywhere and everywhere; sadly, even in the military. Is it possible that it has spread through an entire unit, yes; likely? definitely not likely. I for one, as a veteran, would like to find out WHO actually created this photograph, and false message, and see them court martialled for treasonous acts to the United States, which the direct refusal of an order is. I would like that to be done for EVERYONE who spreads dissent while in the military. Thats interesting. I will have to ask my brother who is retired military about that. I find it interesting that any special interest type patches are allowed to be placed on military uniforms. Especially those from what seem to be groups in direct non compliance with the military oath.....interesting oh gawd.... 
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Great. Too bad for the "secessors", they won't be American citizens anymore huh? "5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty." What we are seeing is not succession. If you look into what the states are trying to do, it is declaring their sovereignty. This means they can just about cut themselves our of the Federal Government. A state has the power to Override the Dapartment of Education, Energy, etc. And can be completely self sufficient if it does not violate the constitution. yah, that is a subject for a whole nother thread the states affirming their sovereignty are not advocating seccesion. They are only reaffirming their state rights as enumerated in the Constitution just a reminder that it is the United States of America. Not the Federal Government of America |
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in the military you are required to disobey an "unlawful order" all of those "I won't obey" statements are referring to unlawful orders. the military is and should be non partisan, regardless of the individual's political affiliation this is all just an assurance that the military people serve the United States of America and not any individual or cause Too bad they didn't do that with the unlawful order of going to Iraq for 9/11. The invasion of Iraq wasn't unlawful. Not by itself anyhow. The principal that we adopted involving world Emperializm, (we have troops in 130 countries, and are able to tax all countries universally through inflation). Those actions are what violate what America stands for, that is, Independence. |
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