My comment was to you and in genral...It has everything to do with your
post...if you can call yourself ugly...You have no
self-confidence...People who view themselves this way have a way of
showing their lack of confidence in everything they do and that is NOT
attractive!!!!!!

What you call bashing...others may see as honesty based on personal
experiences or maybe even a joke...BUT I don't see what you call MEN
bashing!!!!!!!!

You say ugly people a chance...I'm saying that what is ugly to you is
not neccesarily ugly to someone else...

YEAH!!!..I say goddamn YEAH!! had enuf of this crap!!...







<--- Man here..

Oh no I bash all the time...Kimmie!!!!!!!!

The word "ugly" has strong undercurrents in its emotional impact for
some. There are other's here (besides Spider) who describe themselves
as ugly, people who strike me as self-confident. When I hear them say
that word I simply translate it into "not meeting the 'standard'
criteria for an aesthetically pleasing appearance", and thats just -how
it is-. A person can 'know themselves to be a beautiful *person*' and
also have much confidence, and simply use the word 'ugly' (for themself)
as a shorthand for the fact that their appearance is judged that way by
'most people.'

massagetrade,

Yep, that's exactly what I was wanting to say, but I figured anything I
posted with be misunderstood and someone else would take offense.

It's not really about "are you a beautiful person". You can love
yourself and still notice how people react to your appearance.

I agree. Not to sound shallow, but the guy you are most unattracted to,
is usually the one that treats you so preciously. I know this by
experience.

LOL I couldn't help but chuckle. Ladies, let me tell ya, Spider meant
what he said in no harm. It may appear he was jumping to assumptions on
your character but he didn't mean it.

He's a great guy

It amazes me how some people call themselves "UGLY" ..

You are beautiful, some of the most intellgient interesting people I've
met. That to me is beauty!

SheNerd and Spider don't say that lol. I used to call myself ugly as a
teen because I wasn't so popular and I wasn't "updated on fashion, with
glasses and a bad hair style" I was different physically but the
personality is what makes you shine.

Here's some advice for you women:

When you date a guy,
he really doesn't want
to hear about all the other
guys you've dated before
and how they've ****ed you over.

Either get over it or don't date.

I speak from experience here.

What massagetrade said is exactly how I feel about this subject. You
can love yourself and still know that you are physically undesirable, (I
know, as I fit into this category myself).

mnhiker: Women don't want to hear it, either. About the exs and how
evil, deceitful, and cruel they were. Or how good they were in bed.

Amen to that!!! :)

YOU TELL-UM SPIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRUTH IS SOMETIMES TO MUCH FOR ALL TO SEE!!!

spider really .. are you saying it is women because women are beginning
to take a step and come out of the private sphere that your lovely
proverbs puts her in? are you talking about how women demand equality
now, how we're trying for equal pay, an ERA, health benefits, medicine,
are you talking about our continual push for equality.. is that what
bothers you so much.. because just so you know i wouldn't expect you
to understand a woman's pain! but keep your post to where you know what
you are talking about.

If you cannot get past the wrapping you don't get the gift. And please
don't harp (sorry, best word for it ), about your ex's! Some of us guys
get fedup with reruns!If we remind you of your ex, please decide, yes or
no. My last girlfriend would not stop on the subject! I really tried to
be a friend, to many guys in her life already and I felt like Dr. Phill!
Like to fish and chat holler! Nothing to drool over myself but know
respect.

and not all females sit around and talk about their ex's if anything my
advice would be to grow up men and women both talk about their ex's they
both feel sorry for themselves, both sexes have their pretties and their
uglies, both sexes are equal in faults and goodness

wow,,,,I should look at profiles better,,,I thought Spider was a
chick,,,and just saying that UGLY CHICKS AND GUYS need lov-n to
Like he was ugly but is ok with it but ladys find THAT not liking?
I should read better,,,lol

For Shellerd....

You are not ugly, not by any stretch of the imagination. When I first
saw your picture, my immediate reaction was: classic beauty, hollywood
good looks, with great and sympathetic strength of character showing
through....

Of course, I looked at your profile and saw a bunch of teddy
bears

How about posting for more real pictures? You may be surprised!



Oceans

sororitygurl4life,

I think you have completely missed the point of my thread. Go through a
couple forums and look at the threads that are just male bashing. My
suggestion was that if a woman is seeking a husband on this site,
talking about how much she hates men would actually hurt rather than
help her cause. If you knew anything about me, you would know that I am
not opposed to woman's rights in the least and I would love to be a
house husband in charge of cleaning and child care.

the initial post of the thread is offensive.. to be honest...

and as i said both sexes do their whining, and if you have a problem
with a particular individuals thread you tell them don't create a whole
new thread that addresses the whole sex as being one way.

Hey, all you ugly people...maybe OleJeb can help you!!!
I have an exercise program and some 'ugly vanishing cream'...I'll give
you a good deal.
Look to your left, that is my 'after' pic and if enough are interested
I'll post my 'before' pic....you won't believe I was ever that ugly.

When you see what my program did for me...you'll just have to have it.