Topic: SWINE FLU
PredatorYonan's photo
Fri 10/02/09 11:02 PM






I'm not so sure on the vaccinations, isn't it true those who contract it also happen to be vaccinated?


Sometimes people have already been exposed when they get the vacination so they get sick before they can develope immunity.


A person's adverse reaction(s) subsequently after becoming vaccinated may be attributed to improper engineering of the agent(s) in the vaccine, contamination and/or an excess of certain chemical(s) in the vaccine, and/or whether or not the microorganisms that a given vaccine contains is a Live, Dead, and/or Inactivated. The side effects that follow after a person has been inoculated are usually common in Live Attenuated Vaccines.


Didn't they quit giving live vaccines years ago?



Nope, as a matter of fact, a product known a nasal vaccine known under the trademark name of FluMist is itself a Live Attenuated Vaccine.


So...the shots aren't live cultures. I don't understand why they're offering nasal vaccines with live cultures. I wouldn't want a "live" vaccination.


It depends, you'd have to ask the person executing the vaccination whether or not the microbial agent(s) are Live, Dead, or Inactivated.

wux's photo
Fri 10/02/09 11:10 PM

Btw, all of the parents have access to each other's phone numbers and email addresses. The school has a website with that information. Most everything is done by email - the church group, scouts, teachers, sports coaches.


That's very good of the school. In case of an emergency of sorts, the parents can let each other know what the emergency is and what the best way is to act.

I just hope that the list does not get into the wrong hands.

You're right, the precautions are very sensible. In the big city where I live the precautions include not giving out personal information of members of an organization. I guess the area where you live has a more trusting population, fewer crazies and more sensible-minded people.


Winx's photo
Fri 10/02/09 11:19 PM




My child was just exposed to it. My child went on a weekend church activity last weekend - like camping but with cabins.

Today I received an email from them telling me that one of the children was diagnosed with swine flu.

Well, my child sat next to the sick child on the school bus ride home - for an hour. Also, they had to share some bed. My child slept on the same sheets that the sick child slept on the night before.

The sick child is also in my child's class at school.

Ironic - the school hasn't notified the parents of it yet.


Prolonged exposure of the infected children, as well as the objects, and/or items that the infected children came into contact with will increase the likelihood of an otherwise healthy child to contract H1N1 Influenza Subtype A virus and inevitably become infected. The mode of transmission of Influenza viruses is through the mucus membranes (Nose, eyes, and mouth), confined areas and places and establishments where people frequently congregate such as Universities, Colleges, Schools, Day Care Centers, Churches, etc. will most definitely increase a person's chances of contracting Influenza.


I've noticed that my church has a huge pump bottle of anti-bacterial at the back of the church. My child said that today the school put one in each classroom and the kid's had to clean their desks off with Clorox wipes.


That's good, taking prudent measures is the best way to prevent contracting Influenza. Alcohol based Hand Sanitizers and Alcohol based disinfectant wipes are quite effective as Ethyl Alcohol doesn't choose a specific killing site and do not promote any microbial resistance at inactivating Influenza viruses among other microorganisms regardless of application.


I've read that if we use the hand sanitizers more then 2 times, it just becomes layers of it and the bacteria will actually stick to our hands. The article said that for every 2 times we use the sanitizer, we need to use soap and water 1 time.

Winx's photo
Fri 10/02/09 11:26 PM


Btw, all of the parents have access to each other's phone numbers and email addresses. The school has a website with that information. Most everything is done by email - the church group, scouts, teachers, sports coaches.


That's very good of the school. In case of an emergency of sorts, the parents can let each other know what the emergency is and what the best way is to act.

I just hope that the list does not get into the wrong hands.

You're right, the precautions are very sensible. In the big city where I live the precautions include not giving out personal information of members of an organization. I guess the area where you live has a more trusting population, fewer crazies and more sensible-minded people.

The parents have their own individual access codes to get onto the school site. It's great for when the kids need a number to call someone to ask about homework or just invite to do something. The teacher's home phone numbers are there too.

I can go on that site and find out my child's grades before I pick my child up from school. lol I can see when the sport's practices are and the games too. Teachers email me on there.

I live in a city but the school isn't a large one and it's a private school. There's only 500 children.

It bothers me that there's nothing on the school site telling us about the child with the swine flu. It makes me wonder how many others are infected.

PredatorYonan's photo
Fri 10/02/09 11:40 PM





My child was just exposed to it. My child went on a weekend church activity last weekend - like camping but with cabins.

Today I received an email from them telling me that one of the children was diagnosed with swine flu.

Well, my child sat next to the sick child on the school bus ride home - for an hour. Also, they had to share some bed. My child slept on the same sheets that the sick child slept on the night before.

The sick child is also in my child's class at school.

Ironic - the school hasn't notified the parents of it yet.


Prolonged exposure of the infected children, as well as the objects, and/or items that the infected children came into contact with will increase the likelihood of an otherwise healthy child to contract H1N1 Influenza Subtype A virus and inevitably become infected. The mode of transmission of Influenza viruses is through the mucus membranes (Nose, eyes, and mouth), confined areas and places and establishments where people frequently congregate such as Universities, Colleges, Schools, Day Care Centers, Churches, etc. will most definitely increase a person's chances of contracting Influenza.


I've noticed that my church has a huge pump bottle of anti-bacterial at the back of the church. My child said that today the school put one in each classroom and the kid's had to clean their desks off with Clorox wipes.


That's good, taking prudent measures is the best way to prevent contracting Influenza. Alcohol based Hand Sanitizers and Alcohol based disinfectant wipes are quite effective as Ethyl Alcohol doesn't choose a specific killing site and do not promote any microbial resistance at inactivating Influenza viruses among other microorganisms regardless of application.


I've read that if we use the hand sanitizers more then 2 times, it just becomes layers of it and the bacteria will actually stick to our hands. The article said that for every 2 times we use the sanitizer, we need to use soap and water 1 time.


Alcohol based hand sanitizers usually contain inactive ingredients that deter layers of residue from building up in the palms of our hands. It also depends on the amount of Alcohol rub one is applying on their hands.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:12 AM
Oh yes. Please. Let's everyone use all kinds of sanitizers and anti bacterial stuff so that those nasty little bugs get a chance to build up a resistance to them.

Let's just keep interfering with nature and not allow our bodies to build up it's own defenses against invasive bacteria.

That way, nature will eventually come up with a bug that is completely immune to all the drugs or bug killing stuff that we have and wipe out a giant portion of the population.

Then, guess what.

The only people left will be the " stupid " ones who didn't use all those nifty little bug killers that so many scientists keep saying are the only way we'll survive.

Brilliant idea.

Anyone every heard of Drug Resistant Staphylococcus??? I hear it's all the rage in hospitals these days.

WillPM's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:15 AM
calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:16 AM

calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.

no photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:17 AM

Oh yes. Please. Let's everyone use all kinds of sanitizers and anti bacterial stuff so that those nasty little bugs get a chance to build up a resistance to them.

Let's just keep interfering with nature and not allow our bodies to build up it's own defenses against invasive bacteria.

That way, nature will eventually come up with a bug that is completely immune to all the drugs or bug killing stuff that we have and wipe out a giant portion of the population.

Then, guess what.

The only people left will be the " stupid " ones who didn't use all those nifty little bug killers that so many scientists keep saying are the only way we'll survive.

Brilliant idea.

Anyone every heard of Drug Resistant Staphylococcus??? I hear it's all the rage in hospitals these days.



Yeah, it is called MRSA, it is all over the place. They classify it by wound MRSA, Respiratory MRSA, MRSA of the urine etc. I have to be careful all the time I am a nurse. I always take precautions no matter what. Trying doing a blood draw with a MRSA patient scared scared scared

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:22 AM
Edited by JustAGuy2112 on Sat 10/03/09 12:25 AM


Oh yes. Please. Let's everyone use all kinds of sanitizers and anti bacterial stuff so that those nasty little bugs get a chance to build up a resistance to them.

Let's just keep interfering with nature and not allow our bodies to build up it's own defenses against invasive bacteria.

That way, nature will eventually come up with a bug that is completely immune to all the drugs or bug killing stuff that we have and wipe out a giant portion of the population.

Then, guess what.

The only people left will be the " stupid " ones who didn't use all those nifty little bug killers that so many scientists keep saying are the only way we'll survive.

Brilliant idea.

Anyone every heard of Drug Resistant Staphylococcus??? I hear it's all the rage in hospitals these days.



Yeah, it is called MRSA, it is all over the place. They classify it by wound MRSA, Respiratory MRSA, MRSA of the urine etc. I have to be careful all the time I am a nurse. I always take precautions no matter what. Trying doing a blood draw with a MRSA patient scared scared scared


But that's the point.

MRSA came about because they kept coming up with different, stronger drugs to try and get rid of it.

It's backfired and made things even worse now.

This whole deal with the Swine Flu wouldn't be nearly as big a problem as it has the potential to be if people hadn't been convinced over the years that they have to be germophobic.

Germs and bacteria, other than stuff like E Coli and a few others, rarely actually kill people. But the way things have gone over the last couple of decades, people have become totally convinced that even the bugs that cause the common cold are completely deadly and should be feared.

WillPM's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:23 AM


calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:26 AM



calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


Although it will effect those groups more seriously than others, Swine Flu still has the potential to kill people outside of those groups as well.

no photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:28 AM



calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


The swine flu has already killed many people worldwide.
I was in Mexico when it first started as a world threat.
There are articles about it daily.

WillPM's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:29 AM




calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


Although it will effect those groups more seriously than others, Swine Flu still has the potential to kill people outside of those groups as well.


Thats just wonderful. I'm not leaving my house now indifferent

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:30 AM




calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


The swine flu has already killed many people worldwide.
I was in Mexico when it first started as a world threat.
There are articles about it daily.


I think you almost have to take those reports with a grain of salt considering the state of medical care available in Mexico.

I would be willing to bet that in this country, there really won't be that many deaths.

no photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:37 AM





calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


The swine flu has already killed many people worldwide.
I was in Mexico when it first started as a world threat.
There are articles about it daily.


I think you almost have to take those reports with a grain of salt considering the state of medical care available in Mexico.

I would be willing to bet that in this country, there really won't be that many deaths.



There were I read as much as I could after I returned to the US because I was there when people first became infected. Even in countries like Mexico they must take blood samples from suspected victims of swine flu. All the big organizations including our own CDC always become involved if they believe a given disease can spread.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 10/03/09 12:41 AM






calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


The swine flu has already killed many people worldwide.
I was in Mexico when it first started as a world threat.
There are articles about it daily.


I think you almost have to take those reports with a grain of salt considering the state of medical care available in Mexico.

I would be willing to bet that in this country, there really won't be that many deaths.



There were I read as much as I could after I returned to the US because I was there when people first became infected. Even in countries like Mexico they must take blood samples from suspected victims of swine flu. All the big organizations including our own CDC always become involved if they believe a given disease can spread.


But even the CDC can only do so much given the conditions they are dealing with in Mexico and other countries with substandard health care.

While the health care might be relatively good in a place like Mexico City, out in the outlying areas, the quality of care isn't nearly as good.

Marie55's photo
Sat 10/03/09 01:46 AM




calm down people. the swine flu won't kill you.


Not true. It will kill some. Maybe a few more than the regular strain of flu.


i thought it would only be considered dangerous to the very young, the very elderly, and people with immune system complications....which I'm assuming isn't the majority of this forum. Although I really don't know how bad this flu season will be. huh


Although it will effect those groups more seriously than others, Swine Flu still has the potential to kill people outside of those groups as well.


The last I heard, they were not going to vaccinate the people over 65 years old against the swine flu as there aren't many in that age range getting it and they believe that they may have been exposed years ago, in their youth, and built up some natural antibodies against it.

Marie55's photo
Sat 10/03/09 01:48 AM
As far as drug resistance, it is scary. There are drug resistant strains of TB, some hepatitis strains, and others that are becoming "super bugs" from years and years of overexposure to antibiotics when not necessary and they have mutated. offtopic

EquusDancer's photo
Sat 10/03/09 02:00 AM
I feel the urge to go hug my Pot-belly pigs now. I'm so sick to death of it all. When death tolls start hitting 50,000, then get back with me. We're no where near what the regular flu does death-toll-wise.