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Well they always need more nurses, EMT's, Respiratory therapists,x-ray tech etc etc but people want to major in subjects that do not have jobs available for them.
I never understand this. |
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Exactly Winx, which is why I posted my belief that unless it is NEEDED for a high school student to work, then they shouldn't be. It was all good when we had an abundance of jobs, but we no longer have that luxury, so those that do not need to be working shouldn't b working.
Most could join the Military. Just an idea. Or, they can sneak into Mexico and do the jobs Mexicans won't do. Yes, but that doesn't grow the economy (the salaries are paid out of taxes and inflation). That's only a band aid fix. When they get out of the military (assuming they aren't killed), they'll still be unemployed-not to mention they won't have actual job experience to put on their resume. That's not true. One man that I know learned heavy equipment in the Army. He's a heavy equipment operator now. Another man that I know learned electrical things in the Army. The Army helped him to go to college. He's an electrical engineer now. The article mentions kids "aged 16 to 24". My heart isn't breaking if high school kids aren't finding jobs. Their priority should be school. |
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Exactly Winx, which is why I posted my belief that unless it is NEEDED for a high school student to work, then they shouldn't be. It was all good when we had an abundance of jobs, but we no longer have that luxury, so those that do not need to be working shouldn't b working. What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? |
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Well they always need more nurses, EMT's, Respiratory therapists,x-ray tech etc etc but people want to major in subjects that do not have jobs available for them. I never understand this. I agree with you to a point, but you are dangerously close (not saying you are over lol) to a communistic belief, which states that the government chooses what you do as a profession; not you. Yes we should be looking in areas that need more people, however, the other areas of study are just as important in their own way, and sometimes even more important. For example a Marine Biologist could be considred more important than a doctor, because that M.B. may find the dure to AIDS donwn beneath he ocean levels (just an example). Also, yes we need more doctors nurses etc. However the reason we need more medical professionals, is the fact that our medical syatem is so screwed up it isnt funny. current nurses and docs and techs, etc are all leaving their jobs because they are being overworked and abused as far as hours and pat are concerned. And I speak from first hand experience here. CNA's and Nurses are expected to work 12 hour shifts, AND REMAIN ON DUTY AFTER THAT IF SOMEONE DOESNT SHOW UP, for as ong as another 8 hours. This is NORMAL practice, and it does not help the patient/resident, nor does it allow the professional time to relax and decomp effectively. They literally go home, eat a meal and go straight to bed. They have less than four hours a day for decomp and relaxation, or personal time. The rest is either sleeping or working. Doctors face the same problems, and they also have to expect to be on call half the rest of the time. What we need to do is start making state or federal mandates that limit the number of hours a medical professional can be legally made to work. This could also increase the quality of healthcare, as the docs and nurses are not so exhaustd as to make as many mistakes, or take shortcuts. |
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Exactly Winx, which is why I posted my belief that unless it is NEEDED for a high school student to work, then they shouldn't be. It was all good when we had an abundance of jobs, but we no longer have that luxury, so those that do not need to be working shouldn't b working. What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? when yuo say further education I am understanding it as college. This means they are not a kid any more, which means they are responsible for getting the money themselves if their parents do not have it. I am a perfect example of such a story. My parents did not have the money for me to go to college. I joined the army specifically for the school money, knowing I might go to war, and willing to risk myself for my country in order to earn an education. As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but I also want to see major revamps of the military, which would go further to help said drop outs (I will repost about that one of these days). And finally, as far as those who "can not excell" in school. I ask this; why cant they excell? Is it because the learn better hands on than with books? Send them to a trade school, or a co-opt program, or the job corps for crying out loud. Is it because they are lazy and unmotivated? refer t above with the drop outs. Is it because they are notmentally capable of handling even simple issues? That is why we have assistance programs to help them in life. Don't take an angry and self-righteous attitude with me concerning any of this. I have busted my arse my entire life to get what I want and need. Because soldiers of my time were required to use their gi bill within ten years of leaving active duty service, or lose it I was unable to use the 50k of money I earned defendingmy country in order to go to college. Now I am preparing to pay for an entire college education out of pocket, while I am on assistance because I am taking care of a special needs child. There are any number of ways for a competant, able and willing, American adult to take advantage of what they have available and do what needs to be done without giving up their family or life. It is called responsibility. And on a side note, if you want to know more specifics about my personal issues, feel free to email me about it, do not post in here please. |
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Mon 09/28/09 05:48 AM
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As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but The military doesn't need more IDIOTS. That being said, what's wrong with being a drop-out? I have a friend who never graduated highschool. (He's 28 today), runs his own demolition business, makes over $200,000.00 a year. Daddy didn't give it to him either, He's a self-made man. As for training in fields where jobs seem to exist.. whatever happened to doing something you enjoy? And if you try studying for the jobs that "exist", 4 years later, a new presidency, you get out of college and those jobs suddenly exist no more! |
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Okay, you've got a point that I erred on. However, It is still true that the money spent training you in the military would have been more productively spent in the private sector. (this is because government does not aim to spend efficiently, it just aims to spend-as Mises noted) Note also that, unlike a private sector job, your military position was made possible by government spending, which puts the rest of the country further into debt (every dollar spent by the government is taken from the private sector, which is common knowlege).
The reason the restraunts you mentioned have such high requirements is that they have to manage supply and demand. When supply of employees is limited by such requirements, the pay can be made more lucrative and attract better people. I'll also grant you that too many people are unwilling to do minimum wage jobs. I suspect that this has something to do with expecting employers to pay for insurance. (at one time, this was just a benefit. The fact that so many now EXPECT it seems to be a drain on the job market. Thanks for your reply, you brought up some good points. No job experience after serving in the military? You have said some amazing nonsense in the past, but this takes the cake. After 6 years in the military, I left with no specific trade experience, I will grant you; HOWEVER, I left fully qualified to take over management of any office, most general retail stores and grocery outlets. I left with so much public relations and customer service experience it would make you gag. I literally had the worst job in the military in regards to conversion over to a civilian job; the only thing it qualified me for as a "skilled trade" was management of a dry cleaners (that is in black and white print). But I did so many other every day activities and jobs that the above mentioned skills dont even begin to touch the experience I left with. The main problem we have in regards to entry level jobs nowadays is the fact that here is no such thing any more. I have seen resteraunts requiring their dishwasher to have an associates or bachelors degree, AND 9 YEARS EXPERIENCE!!! That is outright ridiculous, but it is perfctly legal because it is a "private business". Gas station attendants are required to have their high school diplomas and/or GED's, or they can not be hired. When the job industry first started requiring diplomas and ged's I was all for it, I will admit this. However, employers have gotten so ridiculous over their requirements for what SHOULD be an entry level position it is not even funny. What needs to be done is very simply, businesses need to be overlooked, yes I said they need to be overlooked, by some form of overseer; whether that is the public or the government I don't care which. If yuo are running a resteraunt and you require your dishwasher to have 9 years experience and a college DEGREE you are NOT a productive member of society. You are limiting society and you are harming the family. And insofar as teenagers working while in high school; with the way our economy is now, no person still in high school should be legally allowed to work under any condition other than when proven to be necesary for the family; for example, both parents are disabled and unable to work, thus the 16 year old holds down a part time job to cover the costs of school, and supplement the rest of the house. There are just too many adult Americans unemployed who need to be out flipping burgers for minimum wage, instead of sitting on their fat arses all day doing nothing except spread dissent about how America is failing. America is failing, my friends, because AMERICANS ARE TOO DAMN FAT AND LAZY TO GET OUT THERE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO FIX THINGS. I can name off over twenty individuals right now who are facing eviction or already homeless, jobless, and refuse to accept a job at mcdonalds even though it would give them MORE money than they receive off of welfare just by working twenty hours per week. So, what needs to be done is we, as Americans, need to get up off our arses and VOTE; every last one of us. I am not saying I disagree with the previous elections. I would have voted for President Obama myself, had I not just moved and been ineligable to vote. BUT, nowhere near even a majority of the American citizenry got up and voted for who they thought would be the best choice. We need, as citizens, to start policing ourselves and following good moral and ethical standards. STOP refusing to allow a 19 year old father and husband/wife to wash dishes because they dont have a degree and are too young to have 9 years experience in something that doesnt need experience in the first place. We, as American employers, need to stop paying illegal immigrants under the table because it is cheaper, and pay our fellow Americans to do the job instead. AND MY FELLOW aMERICANS, WE NEED TO STOP BEING GREEDY AND SELF CENTERED AND EGOTISTICAL AND TAKE THOSE MINIMUM WAGE JOBS, FOR TWENTY HOURS A WEEK, WORK TWO JOBS IF NEED BE AND START BEING PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE TO OURSELVES, OUR FAMLIES, OUR NEIGHBORS, AND OUR COUNTRY! Most could join the Military. Just an idea. Or, they can sneak into Mexico and do the jobs Mexicans won't do. Yes, but that doesn't grow the economy (the salaries are paid out of taxes and inflation). That's only a band aid fix. When they get out of the military (assuming they aren't killed), they'll still be unemployed-not to mention they won't have actual job experience to put on their resume. |
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What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but I also want to see major revamps of the military, which would go further to help said drop outs (I will repost about that one of these days). oh gawd....you speak of the constitution, of individual rights and then say something like this.. not everyone wants to proudly march off and kill or be killed. Even drop outs get that choice.. there are many physical labor jobs they can do if you feel so strongly they need top be punished. |
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The military doesn't need more IDIOTS. This is why I also said that I will be reposting my thoughts on how the military should be revamped as well. My ideas cover the problem of "idiots" in the military. |
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The reason the restraunts you mentioned have such high requirements is that they have to manage supply and demand. When supply of employees is limited by such requirements, the pay can be made more lucrative and attract better people. I agree that any employer wants the best possaible. However, it is ridiculously discriminatory against the non-experienced, and non-educated to require a 2-4 year college graduate with 8 years experience loading and unloading a dishwasher, pulling the housing cover down over the dishes, and pushing a button; then, when the load is finished, they lift the hosing cover back up, slide the tray of dishes out, and stack them neatly in their assigned place. This does not take a college degree, nor does it take 8 years experience. It requires absolutely no experience at all. It is the perfect example if an entry-level job. by saying that the resteraunt in question wants only the best employees to guaruntee customer satisfaction in order to justify such requirements is an insult to every single person involved. |
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What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but I also want to see major revamps of the military, which would go further to help said drop outs (I will repost about that one of these days). oh gawd....you speak of the constitution, of individual rights and then say something like this.. not everyone wants to proudly march off and kill or be killed. Even drop outs get that choice.. there are many physical labor jobs they can do if you feel so strongly they need top be punished. Exactly! The dropouts and uneducated can do the jobs that illegal aliens are supposedly "needed" for till they have enough experience to move on. |
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Don't try mincing owrds with me hun
 You speak of the constitution giving choice to the individuals on whether to go into the army or not. Well they do not lose that choice by being put into the army (again I use army generically) if they drop out. A person knows that if yo put your hand into a fire you are going to get burned; some idiots still put their hands into fires. If a high school student KNOWS that they are going to be put into the military if they drop out, then they are making the choice to go in by dropping out. Let's say you have a job that the rules of said job state very clearly no smoking on company property. You decide you HAVE to have a ciggarette and sneak one in the bathroom. Your caught and fired. Who's fault is it? Did you not have a choice in maintaining your job? So please do not tell me that it is removing a choice by saying you are required to enlist if you drop out of high school. You do not lose a single choice, you simply gain a more effective consequence (in my opinion). And to answer another gentleman's question real fast about whats wrong with being a dropout, his friend is one and owns his own demolition company. More likely than not, your friend would have excelled in the military due to the high levels of self restraint and self motivation, not to mention self-discipline, etc that he obviously has. I am not saying that high school drop outs are bad people or should be punished. I don't consider the military to be a punishment. But, I am sure you will agree that your friend is a bad example of the normal results of dropping out of highschool, and I am willing to lay money that your friend agrees with this. now, I have a different question for everyone: what is better, let a student drop out, and live off the system for the rest of their lives (generally speaking), or give them a direct consequence to their actions that HELPS THEM become a functioning member of society? What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but I also want to see major revamps of the military, which would go further to help said drop outs (I will repost about that one of these days). oh gawd....you speak of the constitution, of individual rights and then say something like this.. not everyone wants to proudly march off and kill or be killed. Even drop outs get that choice.. there are many physical labor jobs they can do if you feel so strongly they need top be punished. |
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Don't try mincing owrds with me hun You speak of the constitution giving choice to the individuals on whether to go into the army or not. Well they do not lose that choice by being put into the army (again I use army generically) if they drop out. A person knows that if yo put your hand into a fire you are going to get burned; some idiots still put their hands into fires. If a high school student KNOWS that they are going to be put into the military if they drop out, then they are making the choice to go in by dropping out. Let's say you have a job that the rules of said job state very clearly no smoking on company property. You decide you HAVE to have a ciggarette and sneak one in the bathroom. Your caught and fired. Who's fault is it? Did you not have a choice in maintaining your job? So please do not tell me that it is removing a choice by saying you are required to enlist if you drop out of high school. You do not lose a single choice, you simply gain a more effective consequence (in my opinion). And to answer another gentleman's question real fast about whats wrong with being a dropout, his friend is one and owns his own demolition company. More likely than not, your friend would have excelled in the military due to the high levels of self restraint and self motivation, not to mention self-discipline, etc that he obviously has. I am not saying that high school drop outs are bad people or should be punished. I don't consider the military to be a punishment. But, I am sure you will agree that your friend is a bad example of the normal results of dropping out of highschool, and I am willing to lay money that your friend agrees with this. now, I have a different question for everyone: what is better, let a student drop out, and live off the system for the rest of their lives (generally speaking), or give them a direct consequence to their actions that HELPS THEM become a functioning member of society? What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? As far as drops outs are concerned, in my opinion if you drop out of highschool you should automatically be enlisted in the army as a grunt. Physical labor. (or another branch of service not just the army). Teach these drops outs self discipine and motivation. but I also want to see major revamps of the military, which would go further to help said drop outs (I will repost about that one of these days). oh gawd....you speak of the constitution, of individual rights and then say something like this.. not everyone wants to proudly march off and kill or be killed. Even drop outs get that choice.. there are many physical labor jobs they can do if you feel so strongly they need top be punished. Don't call me hun..my friends call me hun.  Push your own children into a war zone..the rest of them are not your business. My oldest son dropped out and went back and finished. He is NOT living off the system..in fact he helps me. So your judgments on others children are very harsh. Worry about your own... |
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What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? Exactly! The dropouts and uneducated can do the jobs that illegal aliens are supposedly "needed" for till they have enough experience to move on.  they can do whatever they want...lack of education does not mean a life doomed to grunt work. I'm seeing many friends with degree's losing their jobs as of late, no guarantee's anymore. |
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What do you propose to do with those kids who can't afford further education, their family needs the income, drop-outs or the ones who cannot excell in school. Euthanasia? Exactly! The dropouts and uneducated can do the jobs that illegal aliens are supposedly "needed" for till they have enough experience to move on. they can do whatever they want...lack of education does not mean a life doomed to grunt work. I'm seeing many friends with degree's losing their jobs as of late, no guarantee's anymore. That's exactly why we need th Illegals removed. To open up jobs for Americans. Hussein hates American workers. If he deidn't, he'd order the borders secured and deport the Illegals. DHS knows where they work and live. |
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Obama hates American workers.
 
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52% unemployment...a combination of adults taking any job they can find, and of course the minimum wage...which Republicans know...actually hurts...the very segment of society it's created to benefit...the young skulls full of mush...lol
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Obama hates American workers. Tell me what Hussein has done to get the Illegals deported and Americans into those jobs?? |
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Obama hates American workers. Tell me what Hussein has done to get the Illegals deported and Americans into those jobs?? I already told you - Saddam Hussein is dead. |
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52% unemployment...a combination of adults taking any job they can find, and of course the minimum wage...which Republicans know...actually hurts...the very segment of society it's created to benefit...the young skulls full of mush...lol The unemployment rate in August was 9.7%. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm |
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