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I didn't want to do this....really I didn't.
If Obama was out kicking puppies in the head and stomping on kittens and I said he was wrong for doing that, would I still be a racist? I don't like what hes doing to America and to me hes kicking the country in the head, but yet I'm being called racist for saying I don't like it. I'm getting tired of having to prove myself, when theres no proof in my actions for being racist. How can I prove that I'm not? I could find an easier time in proving God exists in the clouds above. |
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Oh and about the skin head issue... I never knew what a skinhead was until I was accused of being one while shopping for food. A little old black lady told me and everyone withing hearing range that I was racist because my head was shaved. I was in total shock. There is no good way out of that accusation. All I said to her was "Lady, I think you are mistaking me for someone else." and walked off.  I felt the same way reading the article in the first post in this thread. I may not like Obama and his plans, but just because I'm a fat white guy does not make me racist against him.  The problem is that because the racists are rallying, how can you tell the difference from a non racist to a racist? Should anyone give the racists a chance to further their agenda in the name of the political issues? Racists are highly active right now. They are in the streets showing their hatred. How can we make sure that we do not legitimize them and still take their issues seriously? Maybe where you live they are. But not where I live. Its like the annoying "nice guy" threads that thrown out every few days. The guy blames EVERY woman for his misfortune. Just like how the article and yourself are saying that EVERY white person is racist if they don't like Obama. The world is not black and white, where both sides are clear cut. There is not good guy with a sheriff's star and a bad guy with a pencil thin mustache. There needs to be a distinction between people who hate Obama because of how he was born, and those who think hes probably a nice guy but don't like his policies instead of just lumping everyone into one group and accusing them of racism. Tell me how to distinguish and I will. If you can't distinguish the diference between a racist and someone who is aggainst what congress is trying to do then maybe you should keep your mouth shut and not call anyone a racist!!!!! No, people should make sure they are not following racists when they follow others on endeavers. I will call racism when I see it and if I am wrong someone can prove me wrong. If people wouldn't be racist we wouldn't have this problem now would we.  NO why should any one have to prove they aren't a racist? You are the one calling everyone a racist when there might only be a few in the crowd! Maybe you should have proof someone is a racist before you go around slinging the word. Your ignorance really shows in what you post! |
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I didn't want to do this....really I didn't. If Obama was out kicking puppies in the head and stomping on kittens and I said he was wrong for doing that, would I still be a racist? I don't like what hes doing to America and to me hes kicking the country in the head, but yet I'm being called racist for saying I don't like it. I'm getting tired of having to prove myself, when theres no proof in my actions for being racist. How can I prove that I'm not? I could find an easier time in proving God exists in the clouds above. Rather than answer your question Ill just say you bring the lighter fluid and ill bring the lumber..lol.. |
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IMO...using an article about the Klan protesting does NOT prove that if someone doesn't agree with the president then thy are racist. of course KKK is racist....they have been since they began....no new news there. that does NOT prove that everyone else HAS to be racist
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You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal. The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism: "Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]" ----------- To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once. So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in. If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red. This thread brings to mind this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard? Racist crimes continue today in this country. Statistics are not accurate because the crimes do not get reported all the time that they happen. Trying to do the switch and bait doesn't work for me. The racist message is hatred and it is not a healthy nor positive message. Calling Obama a communist is part of the racist propaganda used to demonize the man. So all you did was prove my point. Racist crimes do occur, overwhelmingly black on white, see above post. What racist message are you talking about? We dont want government health care? We dont want cap and trade? This is what people are saying and you are calling them racist, you are the one pulling a bait and switch. I am not demonizing anyone, I am accurately describing his political views. it was him who said he fit in among the marxist student groups in college and everyone he associates with is a marxist in one form or another (as are most republicans I might add) To clarify I will show you what I mean. The following are marx's ten points from the communist manifesto, a sort of ten commandments for achieving communism: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. ----well lets see, all of obamas policy in one way or another seeks more control over private property, the left has always fought to engineer cities, tell you what you can build and where. We qarent there yet but this is the direction obama is heading and his eventual goal 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. -------Obama definately supports this and is calling to tax the evil rich to pay everyone elses medical bills. Pure communism. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. ---------Obama and the left support this and are bringing back a 45% death tax. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. ------Obama supports asset forfeiture laws and has numerous proceedings to sieze all sorts of property form all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. -----Not only does obama support the federal reserve, he just gave them sweeping new powers, further consolidating and centralizing credit 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. ---------Obama supports the FCC and the DOT. He is seeking further control over the airwaves with digital television and new policy he advocates such as the fairness doctrine. He also wants to build high speed rail, he supports and is expanding homeland securities presence and control in all areas of transportation. He seeks new standards on automobiles, in every aspect of transportation he has some new legislative or policy goal. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. ------Well he wants far more power for the EPA and environmental laws to control the soil and he has nationalized major industries like GM. This is a major communist victory for the state to now actually own industry in america. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. ------Industrial armies are also known as unions. He has always been in bed with them. He also wants a new domestic service army and a security arm. He supports eliminating workers right to a secret ballot in unionization efforts. Now we no longer cho9ose a union, the industrial army is established whether we like it or not...per marx and engles... 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. ---He definately is supportive rural growth and slowing urban sprawl. The 2 competing interests are too hard to govern. This particular goal is not as big a deal today as transportation since this book was written has advanced to where you can live in the country and work in the city. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. --Last but not least, the teachers union is a pet of his. He absolutely supports government run education (as do both parties). It doesnt matter what people think, indoctrinate the kids and they will vote away their freedoms gladly. -------------------------------------------- As you can see not only is obama a communist, but so are most republicans. I dont throw that word around for no reason. It is not racist propaganda, you are just underinformed about what communism is and how entrenched it has become in this country in the last 50 years. You are proving my point again and again with the inaccurate statistics designed to demonize a race of people. Most who throw communism around don't even know what it is anyway and I see you are not completely informed here either. Answer 3 questions please: 1)What in this post says anything about a race of people? 2)What statistics are in the above post? 3) Which policy do I claim obama supports that he does not? I dont even think you read it. A liberal knee jerk is no better than a neo-con one. Oh you mean the statistics of crime that are inaccurate? ---You mean the FBI Uniform Crime Report I linked to? Oh you meant the list of twisted versions of Obama's policies passed off as truth. Garbage my good man. I read garbage there. ---Again, read the post. I listed the ten points of the communist manifesto and you claim that is not a representation of what communism really is? Ill try and help, the items with the numbers are each one of the ten points quoted directly form the communist manifesto (which I bet I have read at least a dozen times more than you). Below each point is the corresponding policy obama (and many republicans) support. -->PLEASE one by one tell me what he does not support. <---- For example, graduated income tax. This is where the more you make, the higher percentage they take. Obama is for raising the maximum tax bracket and the cap for ssi contribution. In the spirit of this principle he also intends to finance government health care by taxing insurance policies for wealthier people. Are you telling me in addition to the FBI and Census inventing crime obama has reversed his policy in the last 5 min? Then address the other 9. So you say the FBI and the census invented the crime numbers. Fair enough, would you please link the source of YOUR information. I actually will read it too, I am interested in intelligent debate with those of other opinions, but you have to do better than say "garbage" or "its not true" without any substantive response. You did not list the manefesto in form. And your associations with Obama are not even close. First off, in Communism the people own nothing on their own, nothing. Not even close to us at any level. Obama or not. And your list just goes down hill from there. http://www.answers.com/topic/communism http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Communism As for your crime statistics, it is an ongoing problem. Not only are they dealing with the bias of the cops who initially report crimes or not report crimes but the gathering and keeping process is not accurate. http://www.wvdcjs.com/statsanalysis/publications/NIBRSAudit05Report.pdf Where in the communist manifesto does it say : "in Communism the people own nothing on their own, nothing." Just because your country is not 100% communist does not mean certain people do not believe in communism. In addition, communism does not need a bloody revolution, it happens gradually in many places. I dont know how I can be any clearer but you keep doing it. You say I mischaracterize and that they are not true to form, but you will not address the issue or respond. Those are the direct quotes from the communist manifesto, the ten points to accomplish to achieve communism. Line by line I have addressed them. I am waiting to hear your different definition of progressive tax. Really waiting to hear how the fcc doesnt relate to communications, or maybe obama is against public.government education and I didnt know it. Stop with the generalities and be specific about what I am not correctly "associating" . Its actually pretty close to the people owning nothing now anyways. Most have a mortgage, from a bank owned likely by the government. So its not really yours. And you cannot build anything on it or do anything with it without government taxes, permission, and control over the process. If you dont pay yearly tribute theyll take it even if you dont have a mortgage. So a tiny few people might own their property but the vast majority of people "own nothing on their own, nothing. " Unless you count knick knacks and such but even the chinese and north koreans get to own that. ---------Your links: ---------The First One: 1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. 2. Communism 1. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. 2. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat. ---------I dont know why you would put this here, it is saying the same thing, notice this phrase: "make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people." From this is where the term "progressive" comes from. Obama, Pelosi, most of the current administration self describes themselves as progressive. next this : "The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat." Karl Marx wrote the communist manifesto. Marxist means a person who subscribes to this political philosophy as expressed in the manifesto. Those 10 things I quoted are from the manifesto. Connected the dots yet? --------------------The Second one Establishing the “Statistical Accuracy” of Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) in West Virginia James Nolan, Ph.D. - West Virginia ------What relevance the accuracy of west virginia crime reporting is I dont know, are there even black people in west virginia?..lol... I will absolutely agree police inflate dollar amounts in drug cases, and that there has been cases of bias against all races by some cop some where. However you cant invent dead bodies. Rape is undereported generally, not by race. I have no dog in the fight, I am just telling you while there are errors, they arent enough to make tens of thousands of extra rapes and murders. In the link you provided I guess is supposed to be an indictment of how inaccurate the statistics are. Allow me to quote the summary: An estimated 4.17% of all records reported for the population of 12 law enforcement agencies in this study were misclassified. OK, so I guess I just dont find that shocking, in fact I would think human error would make that number higher alone. if thats your best example of sloppy reporting Im going to go ahead and claim victory on this one. ----NOW ------>PLEASE <------ONE AT A TIME ADDRESS THE FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT EITHER THE 10 POINTS OR OBAMAS POSITION ON EACH OF THEM AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT LETS SEE THE SMOKING GUN ON HOW THE UCR HAS MADE ERRORS IN MILLIONS OF CRIMES THAT REALLY NEVER HAPPENED!!!! The wrongness of your analogy on the list is obvious to anyone who reads it. Maybe you need to research it better if you cannot see it. I don't need any help in that department. The statistics are not accurate, if you would research it you would find that out and the communism crap is just that crap. I should not have to school you. I definitely don't want you to school me, so there you have it. Now back to the OP. Too bad racism continues in this country, it is such a disturbing philosophy to the well being of this country. |
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Oh and about the skin head issue... I never knew what a skinhead was until I was accused of being one while shopping for food. A little old black lady told me and everyone withing hearing range that I was racist because my head was shaved. I was in total shock. There is no good way out of that accusation. All I said to her was "Lady, I think you are mistaking me for someone else." and walked off. I felt the same way reading the article in the first post in this thread. I may not like Obama and his plans, but just because I'm a fat white guy does not make me racist against him. The problem is that because the racists are rallying, how can you tell the difference from a non racist to a racist? Should anyone give the racists a chance to further their agenda in the name of the political issues? Racists are highly active right now. They are in the streets showing their hatred. How can we make sure that we do not legitimize them and still take their issues seriously? Maybe where you live they are. But not where I live. Its like the annoying "nice guy" threads that thrown out every few days. The guy blames EVERY woman for his misfortune. Just like how the article and yourself are saying that EVERY white person is racist if they don't like Obama. The world is not black and white, where both sides are clear cut. There is not good guy with a sheriff's star and a bad guy with a pencil thin mustache. There needs to be a distinction between people who hate Obama because of how he was born, and those who think hes probably a nice guy but don't like his policies instead of just lumping everyone into one group and accusing them of racism. Tell me how to distinguish and I will. If you can't distinguish the diference between a racist and someone who is aggainst what congress is trying to do then maybe you should keep your mouth shut and not call anyone a racist!!!!! No, people should make sure they are not following racists when they follow others on endeavers. I will call racism when I see it and if I am wrong someone can prove me wrong. If people wouldn't be racist we wouldn't have this problem now would we. NO why should any one have to prove they aren't a racist? You are the one calling everyone a racist when there might only be a few in the crowd! Maybe you should have proof someone is a racist before you go around slinging the word. Your ignorance really shows in what you post! It needs to be brought out in the public eye every time it happens and it needs to be addressed as the ignorancy that it is. Racism continues because people look the other way and let it happen. I won't do that. I am going to call it when I see it and address it. The only people who shouldn't like it that way are the racists. |
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It needs to be brought out in the public eye every time it happens and it needs to be addressed as the ignorancy that it is. Racism continues because people look the other way and let it happen. I won't do that. I am going to call it when I see it and address it. The only people who shouldn't like it that way are the racists. calling people racist that aren't (for me anyway) is one of the vilest things you can call someone. That is why people are protesting these threads so much. You can't control things just because you don't agree with them. as vile as I think the KKK is, they have a right to protest as long as laws aren't broken. when laws are, they can get prosecuted for those crimes. who decides what people are allowed to believe? |
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It needs to be brought out in the public eye every time it happens and it needs to be addressed as the ignorancy that it is. Racism continues because people look the other way and let it happen. I won't do that. I am going to call it when I see it and address it. The only people who shouldn't like it that way are the racists. calling people racist that aren't (for me anyway) is one of the vilest things you can call someone. That is why people are protesting these threads so much. You can't control things just because you don't agree with them. as vile as I think the KKK is, they have a right to protest as long as laws aren't broken. when laws are, they can get prosecuted for those crimes. who decides what people are allowed to believe? Who called anyone who isn't a racist a racist? I have only called ideals racist, propaganda racist, the people who were obviously racist in the OP story racist. The only people who should have a problem with my message at any point are the racists, for me revealing their undercover way of delivering their hatred. Other than that everyone else should be glad there are those out there like me who call it out and make it obvious to them so they do not accidentally get caught up in some racists stuff. |
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It needs to be brought out in the public eye every time it happens and it needs to be addressed as the ignorancy that it is. Racism continues because people look the other way and let it happen.
I won't do that. I am going to call it when I see it and address it. The only people who shouldn't like it that way are the racists. And of course you are never wrong and you know all Your worse than a racist because you can't tell some one who isn't and you still call them a racist. |
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It needs to be brought out in the public eye every time it happens and it needs to be addressed as the ignorancy that it is. Racism continues because people look the other way and let it happen. I won't do that. I am going to call it when I see it and address it. The only people who shouldn't like it that way are the racists. And of course you are never wrong and you know all Your worse than a racist because you can't tell some one who isn't and you still call them a racist. I only call racist ideals, propaganda, undercover ways of getting their message out. I haven't called anyone racist. |
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you have even said they only conclusion for people not supporting the presidents bills etc is because of racism. you even started a thread about it. now I'm confused as to who you feel are racists.
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You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal. The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism: "Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]" ----------- To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once. So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in. If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red. This thread brings to mind this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard? Racist crimes continue today in this country. Statistics are not accurate because the crimes do not get reported all the time that they happen. Trying to do the switch and bait doesn't work for me. The racist message is hatred and it is not a healthy nor positive message. Calling Obama a communist is part of the racist propaganda used to demonize the man. So all you did was prove my point. Racist crimes do occur, overwhelmingly black on white, see above post. What racist message are you talking about? We dont want government health care? We dont want cap and trade? This is what people are saying and you are calling them racist, you are the one pulling a bait and switch. I am not demonizing anyone, I am accurately describing his political views. it was him who said he fit in among the marxist student groups in college and everyone he associates with is a marxist in one form or another (as are most republicans I might add) To clarify I will show you what I mean. The following are marx's ten points from the communist manifesto, a sort of ten commandments for achieving communism: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. ----well lets see, all of obamas policy in one way or another seeks more control over private property, the left has always fought to engineer cities, tell you what you can build and where. We qarent there yet but this is the direction obama is heading and his eventual goal 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. -------Obama definately supports this and is calling to tax the evil rich to pay everyone elses medical bills. Pure communism. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. ---------Obama and the left support this and are bringing back a 45% death tax. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. ------Obama supports asset forfeiture laws and has numerous proceedings to sieze all sorts of property form all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. -----Not only does obama support the federal reserve, he just gave them sweeping new powers, further consolidating and centralizing credit 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. ---------Obama supports the FCC and the DOT. He is seeking further control over the airwaves with digital television and new policy he advocates such as the fairness doctrine. He also wants to build high speed rail, he supports and is expanding homeland securities presence and control in all areas of transportation. He seeks new standards on automobiles, in every aspect of transportation he has some new legislative or policy goal. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. ------Well he wants far more power for the EPA and environmental laws to control the soil and he has nationalized major industries like GM. This is a major communist victory for the state to now actually own industry in america. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. ------Industrial armies are also known as unions. He has always been in bed with them. He also wants a new domestic service army and a security arm. He supports eliminating workers right to a secret ballot in unionization efforts. Now we no longer cho9ose a union, the industrial army is established whether we like it or not...per marx and engles... 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. ---He definately is supportive rural growth and slowing urban sprawl. The 2 competing interests are too hard to govern. This particular goal is not as big a deal today as transportation since this book was written has advanced to where you can live in the country and work in the city. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. --Last but not least, the teachers union is a pet of his. He absolutely supports government run education (as do both parties). It doesnt matter what people think, indoctrinate the kids and they will vote away their freedoms gladly. -------------------------------------------- As you can see not only is obama a communist, but so are most republicans. I dont throw that word around for no reason. It is not racist propaganda, you are just underinformed about what communism is and how entrenched it has become in this country in the last 50 years. You are proving my point again and again with the inaccurate statistics designed to demonize a race of people. Most who throw communism around don't even know what it is anyway and I see you are not completely informed here either. Answer 3 questions please: 1)What in this post says anything about a race of people? 2)What statistics are in the above post? 3) Which policy do I claim obama supports that he does not? I dont even think you read it. A liberal knee jerk is no better than a neo-con one. Oh you mean the statistics of crime that are inaccurate? ---You mean the FBI Uniform Crime Report I linked to? Oh you meant the list of twisted versions of Obama's policies passed off as truth. Garbage my good man. I read garbage there. ---Again, read the post. I listed the ten points of the communist manifesto and you claim that is not a representation of what communism really is? Ill try and help, the items with the numbers are each one of the ten points quoted directly form the communist manifesto (which I bet I have read at least a dozen times more than you). Below each point is the corresponding policy obama (and many republicans) support. -->PLEASE one by one tell me what he does not support. <---- For example, graduated income tax. This is where the more you make, the higher percentage they take. Obama is for raising the maximum tax bracket and the cap for ssi contribution. In the spirit of this principle he also intends to finance government health care by taxing insurance policies for wealthier people. Are you telling me in addition to the FBI and Census inventing crime obama has reversed his policy in the last 5 min? Then address the other 9. So you say the FBI and the census invented the crime numbers. Fair enough, would you please link the source of YOUR information. I actually will read it too, I am interested in intelligent debate with those of other opinions, but you have to do better than say "garbage" or "its not true" without any substantive response. You did not list the manefesto in form. And your associations with Obama are not even close. First off, in Communism the people own nothing on their own, nothing. Not even close to us at any level. Obama or not. And your list just goes down hill from there. http://www.answers.com/topic/communism http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Communism As for your crime statistics, it is an ongoing problem. Not only are they dealing with the bias of the cops who initially report crimes or not report crimes but the gathering and keeping process is not accurate. http://www.wvdcjs.com/statsanalysis/publications/NIBRSAudit05Report.pdf Where in the communist manifesto does it say : "in Communism the people own nothing on their own, nothing." Just because your country is not 100% communist does not mean certain people do not believe in communism. In addition, communism does not need a bloody revolution, it happens gradually in many places. I dont know how I can be any clearer but you keep doing it. You say I mischaracterize and that they are not true to form, but you will not address the issue or respond. Those are the direct quotes from the communist manifesto, the ten points to accomplish to achieve communism. Line by line I have addressed them. I am waiting to hear your different definition of progressive tax. Really waiting to hear how the fcc doesnt relate to communications, or maybe obama is against public.government education and I didnt know it. Stop with the generalities and be specific about what I am not correctly "associating" . Its actually pretty close to the people owning nothing now anyways. Most have a mortgage, from a bank owned likely by the government. So its not really yours. And you cannot build anything on it or do anything with it without government taxes, permission, and control over the process. If you dont pay yearly tribute theyll take it even if you dont have a mortgage. So a tiny few people might own their property but the vast majority of people "own nothing on their own, nothing. " Unless you count knick knacks and such but even the chinese and north koreans get to own that. ---------Your links: ---------The First One: 1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. 2. Communism 1. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. 2. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat. ---------I dont know why you would put this here, it is saying the same thing, notice this phrase: "make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people." From this is where the term "progressive" comes from. Obama, Pelosi, most of the current administration self describes themselves as progressive. next this : "The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat." Karl Marx wrote the communist manifesto. Marxist means a person who subscribes to this political philosophy as expressed in the manifesto. Those 10 things I quoted are from the manifesto. Connected the dots yet? --------------------The Second one Establishing the “Statistical Accuracy” of Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) in West Virginia James Nolan, Ph.D. - West Virginia ------What relevance the accuracy of west virginia crime reporting is I dont know, are there even black people in west virginia?..lol... I will absolutely agree police inflate dollar amounts in drug cases, and that there has been cases of bias against all races by some cop some where. However you cant invent dead bodies. Rape is undereported generally, not by race. I have no dog in the fight, I am just telling you while there are errors, they arent enough to make tens of thousands of extra rapes and murders. In the link you provided I guess is supposed to be an indictment of how inaccurate the statistics are. Allow me to quote the summary: An estimated 4.17% of all records reported for the population of 12 law enforcement agencies in this study were misclassified. OK, so I guess I just dont find that shocking, in fact I would think human error would make that number higher alone. if thats your best example of sloppy reporting Im going to go ahead and claim victory on this one. ----NOW ------>PLEASE <------ONE AT A TIME ADDRESS THE FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT EITHER THE 10 POINTS OR OBAMAS POSITION ON EACH OF THEM AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT LETS SEE THE SMOKING GUN ON HOW THE UCR HAS MADE ERRORS IN MILLIONS OF CRIMES THAT REALLY NEVER HAPPENED!!!! The wrongness of your analogy on the list is obvious to anyone who reads it. Maybe you need to research it better if you cannot see it. I don't need any help in that department. ---------What analogy are you talking about? Explain and point it out since you see it so clearly, elaborate, Im begging you. The statistics are not accurate, if you would research it you would find that out and the communism crap is just that crap. ---Research it? Ive studied political science for a decade. So to directly quote the communist manifest is being inaccurate? I should not have to school you. I definitely don't want you to school me, so there you have it. ----You should simply school yourself. At least elaborate on what you mean. You are no better than those who hurl racial epithets instead of articulate their position. You are just hurling epithets, while refusing to answer simple questions. You say I am wrong but refuse to tell me where, point by point. Now back to the OP. Too bad racism continues in this country, it is such a disturbing philosophy to the well being of this country. -----------yeah but what does that have that have to do with anything. The "OP" iswhether everyone who is against obama is racist. Thats a load of crap, and as I said, I can think of two black men that would probably get 90% of the republican nomination if they ran, Thomas Sowell and Herman Kane. Racism is not nearly as disturbing as obamas policy, a racist dictatorship in germany killed an estimated 6 million. A liberal dictatorship in russia killed 50 million, so Id rather the klan run the place than the liberals, reduce mass murder by nearly 90%. |
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That article called every fat white male who disagrees with the president a racist! And what am I? A fat white male who disagrees with the president.
But not matter what I say or do, I will always be a racist to you. There is no proof either way that I am or not and yet I'm still qualified. You say only the ones getting angry about this topic are racists. I'm angry not because I'm racist, but because I'm being called something I'm not. |
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you have even said they only conclusion for people not supporting the presidents bills etc is because of racism. you even started a thread about it. now I'm confused as to who you feel are racists. The thread is a warning or just information for those out there who may not be racist that find it really really important that they do not follow racists anywhere on any crusade they have, that this is a snake pit of racism. That is all. It is someone's observation from the rally. I would think people would be glad to know they can avoid the racists causes and steer clear of their crowd. |
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That article called every fat white male who disagrees with the president a racist! And what am I? A fat white male who disagrees with the president. But not matter what I say or do, I will always be a racist to you. There is no proof either way that I am or not and yet I'm still qualified. You say only the ones getting angry about this topic are racists. I'm angry not because I'm racist, but because I'm being called something I'm not. The article referred to racists, if you aren't one, why would you take offense? |
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That article called every fat white male who disagrees with the president a racist! And what am I? A fat white male who disagrees with the president. But not matter what I say or do, I will always be a racist to you. There is no proof either way that I am or not and yet I'm still qualified. You say only the ones getting angry about this topic are racists. I'm angry not because I'm racist, but because I'm being called something I'm not. The article referred to racists, if you aren't one, why would you take offense? Its saying ALL fat white guys are racist. I may be fat and white, but defiantly not racist. |
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you have even said they only conclusion for people not supporting the presidents bills etc is because of racism. you even started a thread about it. now I'm confused as to who you feel are racists. The thread is a warning or just information for those out there who may not be racist that find it really really important that they do not follow racists anywhere on any crusade they have, that this is a snake pit of racism. That is all. It is someone's observation from the rally. I would think people would be glad to know they can avoid the racists causes and steer clear of their crowd. no one is saying that racism doesn't exist!!!! I have been saying that myself but I have also been saying that just because someone doesn't support the president does NOT make them racist!!!! I have been saying there are other reasons besides racism. you are the one that won't see that |
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you have even said they only conclusion for people not supporting the presidents bills etc is because of racism. you even started a thread about it. now I'm confused as to who you feel are racists. The thread is a warning or just information for those out there who may not be racist that find it really really important that they do not follow racists anywhere on any crusade they have, that this is a snake pit of racism. That is all. It is someone's observation from the rally. I would think people would be glad to know they can avoid the racists causes and steer clear of their crowd. So when people who believe in the constitution demonstrate its a "snake pit of racism". But when anyone of the liberal/fascist/communist persuasion marches it a great expression of their rights, is that it? And you keep trying to ignore it but I want you to tell me 10 simple statements where I am wrong in each one and why. You seem very opinionated, so express it please. And while you are at it dont ignore this one either: The wrongness of your analogy on the list is obvious to anyone who reads it. Maybe you need to research it better if you cannot see it. I don't need any help in that department. ---------What analogy are you talking about? Explain and point it out since you see it so clearly, elaborate, Im begging you. The statistics are not accurate, if you would research it you would find that out and the communism crap is just that crap. ---Research it? Ive studied political science for a decade. So to directly quote the communist manifest is being inaccurate? I should not have to school you. I definitely don't want you to school me, so there you have it. ----You should simply school yourself. At least elaborate on what you mean. You are no better than those who hurl racial epithets instead of articulate their position. You are just hurling epithets, while refusing to answer simple questions. You say I am wrong but refuse to tell me where, point by point. Now back to the OP. Too bad racism continues in this country, it is such a disturbing philosophy to the well being of this country. -----------yeah but what does that have that have to do with anything. The "OP" is whether everyone who is against obama is racist. Thats a load of crap, and as I said, I can think of two black men that would probably get 90% of the republican nomination if they ran, Thomas Sowell and Herman Kane. Racism is not nearly as disturbing as obamas policy, a racist dictatorship in germany killed an estimated 6 million. A liberal dictatorship in russia killed 50 million, so Id rather the klan run the place than the liberals, reduce mass murder by nearly 90%. |
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The wrongness of your analogy on the list is obvious to anyone who reads it. Maybe you need to research it better if you cannot see it. I don't need any help in that department.
---------What analogy are you talking about? Explain and point it out since you see it so clearly, elaborate, Im begging you. The statistics are not accurate, if you would research it you would find that out and the communism crap is just that crap. ---Research it? Ive studied political science for a decade. So to directly quote the communist manifest is being inaccurate? I should not have to school you. I definitely don't want you to school me, so there you have it. ----You should simply school yourself. At least elaborate on what you mean. You are no better than those who hurl racial epithets instead of articulate their position. You are just hurling epithets, while refusing to answer simple questions. You say I am wrong but refuse to tell me where, point by point. Now back to the OP. Too bad racism continues in this country, it is such a disturbing philosophy to the well being of this country. -----------yeah but what does that have that have to do with anything. The "OP" iswhether everyone who is against obama is racist. Thats a load of crap, and as I said, I can think of two black men that would probably get 90% of the republican nomination if they ran, Thomas Sowell and Herman Kane. Racism is not nearly as disturbing as obamas policy, a racist dictatorship in germany killed an estimated 6 million. A liberal dictatorship in russia killed 50 million, so Id rather the klan run the place than the liberals, reduce mass murder by nearly 90%. Look man, people have been pointing out the "similarities" to our leaders and communism for probably longer than you have been alive. So nothing new and nothing of validity, as it wasn't when it was first suggested in the 40s. Same story different leading man. So stop trying to school me on something I already know about and already have dismissed as invalid. As for the racism, how we deal with each other is the base to all problems in this world. So it is a valid concern and problem. We should be more advanced than this. |
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let me point out a few flaws. I see it as you feel the president can do no wrong....that's your belief....not mine. You have said we needed to get Christians under control from the government and laws before we can get other religions under control (BTW Atheism has been deemed a religion by the Supreme Court)...but YET BHO is Christian and he is this country's leader and in the UN, but he is somehow exempt from this. You have argued many times that the only possible reason someone might be against BHO is because of racism. so anyone that protests or speaks out against a policy is racist....but YET you have even stated you could not support the health care proposal as it is currently written and you wrote letters in protest...but yet you aren't racist????
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