Topic: U.S. Launches Military Strike
isaac_dede's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:07 PM

So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?

for your FREEDOM to sit here and post in the comfort of your own home and not worry about it coming here! oh and i'm one of those 'babies' you are are talking about :D

daniel48706's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:08 PM
First I did not mention civilians, I mentioned our military. Second, assuming you are referring to our civilian contractors, yes they are there voluntarily and willingly. THEY can up and quit their job if they were not willing to go overseas, or stay there once there whereas our soldeirs can only refuse to reenlist for another timeframe.

If you are referring to say Iraqi civilians, yes they did as well, or have you forgotten allthe press and news SHOWING the Iraqi CITIZENS lined up and cheering our troops as we toppled one place after another of Husseins power grid?

Same thing with Afghanistan.




The civilians in foreign lands being invaded didn't volunteer...themselves or their young or old..





What you NEED to ask yourself is how many will die IF WE DO NOT HAVE OUR YONG AND IN-SHAPE, PROPERLY TRAINED SOLDIERS OVER FIGHTING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY[/c]? And keep in mind there is not a single soldier over seas that did not volunteer to be in our military. Not a one. So, another question you ned to ask, is what right do you or I have to tell our young volunteer soldiers that they can not defend us and our country against this evil terror?



So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?



Dragoness's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:08 PM



So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?


Tell it to Bush who started it.

Bush couldn't stop it now if he wanted to.
BHO owns this action.
Now, would you care to answer the question as to how many babies are you willing to see killed for BHO?

I ain't heard tell of one more Al Quaeda here in the US. If they are here, why not look here for 'em.

And, if ya'll are all for killing our babies and the innocent babies that are sure to die over younder then great. Ya'll enjoy your bloodbaths.

Pretty sure, more of ours and their innocents will get killed than they will kill of the Al-Quaeda.


Unless you said it when Bush started it, which I bet you did not, you cannot lay any quilt trip on me about the dead, cause Bush killed hundreds of thousands if not more of innocents and military people. So you answer how many babies did Bush have a right to kill first and then I will answer you.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:10 PM


So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?

for your FREEDOM to sit here and post in the comfort of your own home and not worry about it coming here! oh and i'm one of those 'babies' you are are talking about :D



Except fighting over there doesn't stop it from coming here that is a propaganda lie. Other than that thank you for volunteering to keep this country safe.

daniel48706's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:11 PM
I agree our personal levels of security (as a country) need to be muchmore than they are. We need our national guard stationed in our airports and at our docks, so to speak. But, is that going to happen? No, because too many people would cry "oppression".

And as far as "bush created myth", I suggest you relearn the history of what really ahppened and quit listening to certain rhetoric that claims President Bush did not do anything legally and by his right.



What you NEED to ask yourself is how many will die IF WE DO NOT HAVE OUR YONG AND IN-SHAPE, PROPERLY TRAINED SOLDIERS OVER FIGHTING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY[/c]? And keep in mind there is not a single soldier over seas that did not volunteer to be in our military. Not a one. So, another question you ned to ask, is what right do you or I have to tell our young volunteer soldiers that they can not defend us and our country against this evil terror?



So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?



That is still the myth created by Bush. The only reason they managed to attack on 9/11 was because we were lax on our job of national security. We did not need to go there and us being there does not stop a terrorist attack here at any level.

willing2's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:13 PM

Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la

daniel48706's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:13 PM
Thank you Isaac, I stand next to you today as one of those babies as well. I served 6 years, my ex-wife served five years (one of which was in Iraq as the statue was toppled)




So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?

for your FREEDOM to sit here and post in the comfort of your own home and not worry about it coming here! oh and i'm one of those 'babies' you are are talking about :D


heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:13 PM

OMG hvnly where do you get all these WRONG "facts" of yours? "war was never declared?" I personally remember listening to President Bush on 9/11/2001 while he spoke to the WORLD, declaring war against any and all terrorists and THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM. And before you spout off the rhetoric that it was an illegal decleration, might I remind you that the President has a window of opportunity, as it were, where he/she CAN declare war, conditionally upon it being approved within I think four months, by Congress. The war is valid for those four months (or whatever time period it actually is), even if Congress decides not to back it up. If Congress does not back it up, the war expires at the end of the time period, or when Congress declares it ended, whichever happens first.
In the case of 9/11/2001 CONGRESS supported President Bush unanimously with the decleration of war against all terrorists and their allies. Several other countries declared they would back us up in this war, though only a very few actually did.
Insofar as Iraq is concerne, yes we invaded, but we did so AFTER then President Hussein intentionally and knowingly blocked and hid all access to whatever he was really doing, and the United Nations refused to call him on it. We had what at the time constituted undeniable proof of wmd's ON IRAQ SOIL and thus declared war against Presdent Hussein due to his beliggerent defiance of the U.N. treaties and laws, along with accordance with our decleration of war against all allies of terrorism. AGAIN, Congress backed this up. In fact, tis tiem it went to Congress first.
In regards to Afghanistan, it is not an invasion because we were invited in but the local Government in order to clear the country of Bin Lauden and the Al-Quida operatives and training camps that were there.




They are going after al Qaeda Targets, what's the problem with that? Al Qaeda hasn't exactly changed their spots...


The problem is that there was never war declared, and Afghanistan (like Iraq) is a military invasion, not a war.



A declaration of war was never issued. If you read your constitution, this is done by CONGRESS, not the president. You can find this in any mainstream publication you desire. If you can find a declaration of war ("Operation Iraqui Freedom" is not a declaration of war, btw), I'd be curious how you found it when none of the media could.

isaac_dede's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:14 PM



So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?

for your FREEDOM to sit here and post in the comfort of your own home and not worry about it coming here! oh and i'm one of those 'babies' you are are talking about :D



Except fighting over there doesn't stop it from coming here that is a propaganda lie. Other than that thank you for volunteering to keep this country safe.

It's not all propaganda....some yes...not all.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:15 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 09/14/09 02:16 PM

I agree our personal levels of security (as a country) need to be muchmore than they are. We need our national guard stationed in our airports and at our docks, so to speak. But, is that going to happen? No, because too many people would cry "oppression".

And as far as "bush created myth", I suggest you relearn the history of what really ahppened and quit listening to certain rhetoric that claims President Bush did not do anything legally and by his right.



What you NEED to ask yourself is how many will die IF WE DO NOT HAVE OUR YONG AND IN-SHAPE, PROPERLY TRAINED SOLDIERS OVER FIGHTING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY[/c]? And keep in mind there is not a single soldier over seas that did not volunteer to be in our military. Not a one. So, another question you ned to ask, is what right do you or I have to tell our young volunteer soldiers that they can not defend us and our country against this evil terror?



So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?



That is still the myth created by Bush. The only reason they managed to attack on 9/11 was because we were lax on our job of national security. We did not need to go there and us being there does not stop a terrorist attack here at any level.



No rhetoric here, watched it happen with my own two eyes, with disbelief too mind you that people would let it happen.

willing2's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:21 PM
As with Viet Nam. China was the enemy, now, they are our bank.
I was in the military the day we were informed the war was over and we no longer wanted to kill charlie.
The enemy will change at the whim of Gov. Don't be surprised if, in a few years, Al Quaeda winds up being an ally against another enemy.
World power manipulations, deceptions. It keeps all the economic wheels turning.
Who's making most of the money off all these conflicts?

no photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:22 PM
Edited by boo2u on Mon 09/14/09 02:31 PM
I have to say that I don't think we should have ever gone into Afghanistan or Iraq. I can't believe that a country like ours has to take troops into a country to target specific people involved in 9/11.

I have to wonder if we would have had more support from other countries if we had asked for help finding those that caused 9/11.

That said, there are civilians in both countries that depend on us to protect them from groups in their own countries. I don't' know how we can walk away from that at this point in time.

I do believe that the government of Afghanistan at least is corrupt and that they are depending 'more' on our financial support than caring about the safety of their own people, especially the women against the taliban. I don't trust the current president of that country.

I just don't see how we walk away from that now that it's been going on this long. It seems to me we were wrong in the first place, and because of that we have a duty to fix it.

That's only from my limited understanding of war and our Military and the government of course. What am I missing?

daniel48706's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:23 PM
I am not being paid to give you a government lesson that yuo should have stayed awake during through highschool class. Nor am I being paid to repeat myself, as I already answered your question as to how the President can declare war on the conditional support of Congress. Please go back and reread what Iw rote already and you will have your answers.

And as far as a decleration never being issued, yes it was; between 6am and 7am Hawaiian time (i was living outside pearl harbor when 9/11 occurred). My mother woke me up at 4am (10am eastern time) to tell me to turn on the news that we were under attack. I work my wife up instantly and told her to get ready to be called to duty early (phone started ringing before I finished telling her why). Roughly two hours later, while watching the news, President Bush came on air to declare decisively and without hesitation that there was to be no misunderstanding, the attacks were a decleration of war against us, and that we hereby declared war upon ALL TERRORISM AND IT'S ALLIES.

I watched and listened to this myself. I paid attention to every single word coming out of our Presidents mouth, thus I can tell you without a doubt I know what was said and what was done. And I stayed awake during the afore mentioned government class which is why I a aare of the governmental powers and such.

And finally, just because the Press doesnt release something or talk about it, don't be fooled into thinking it doesnt exist. Like you have been told many times before on far different topics, the press would go out of business if they reported the truth even 30% more of the time. The truth does not sell; drama and conflict does.



OMG hvnly where do you get all these WRONG "facts" of yours? "war was never declared?" I personally remember listening to President Bush on 9/11/2001 while he spoke to the WORLD, declaring war against any and all terrorists and THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM. And before you spout off the rhetoric that it was an illegal decleration, might I remind you that the President has a window of opportunity, as it were, where he/she CAN declare war, conditionally upon it being approved within I think four months, by Congress. The war is valid for those four months (or whatever time period it actually is), even if Congress decides not to back it up. If Congress does not back it up, the war expires at the end of the time period, or when Congress declares it ended, whichever happens first.
In the case of 9/11/2001 CONGRESS supported President Bush unanimously with the decleration of war against all terrorists and their allies. Several other countries declared they would back us up in this war, though only a very few actually did.
Insofar as Iraq is concerne, yes we invaded, but we did so AFTER then President Hussein intentionally and knowingly blocked and hid all access to whatever he was really doing, and the United Nations refused to call him on it. We had what at the time constituted undeniable proof of wmd's ON IRAQ SOIL and thus declared war against Presdent Hussein due to his beliggerent defiance of the U.N. treaties and laws, along with accordance with our decleration of war against all allies of terrorism. AGAIN, Congress backed this up. In fact, tis tiem it went to Congress first.
In regards to Afghanistan, it is not an invasion because we were invited in but the local Government in order to clear the country of Bin Lauden and the Al-Quida operatives and training camps that were there.




They are going after al Qaeda Targets, what's the problem with that? Al Qaeda hasn't exactly changed their spots...


The problem is that there was never war declared, and Afghanistan (like Iraq) is a military invasion, not a war.



A declaration of war was never issued. If you read your constitution, this is done by CONGRESS, not the president. You can find this in any mainstream publication you desire. If you can find a declaration of war ("Operation Iraqui Freedom" is not a declaration of war, btw), I'd be curious how you found it when none of the media could.

willing2's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:26 PM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 09/14/09 02:30 PM



Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la




That's Alice Coopers, Dead Babies.
You go ahead and believe what they spoon feed you. Your cold corpse would fill another hole and be forgotten just like those already dead.

Public Option and more war. Great ideas to eliminate a good chunk of population. Too bad folks will just pump out more vollunteers for the grinder.

willing2's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:36 PM



Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la



One other point, it's against the rules to attack or degrade posters.
You address me in this manner again, I will copy your comments and report you.

isaac_dede's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:36 PM




Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la



That's Alice Coopers, Dead Babies.
You go ahead and believe what they spoon feed you. Your cold corpse would fill another hole and be forgotten just like those already dead.

Public Option and more war. Great ideas to eliminate a good chunk of population. Too bad folks will just pump out more vollunteers for the grinder.


I'm not buying into anything. I'm a cryptologist and by default I am privy to information you do not have access to. And as for forgotten corpes I'd ask you kindly to watch what it is you say. I served in the Ceremonial Guard in Washington, D.C for 2 years performing 5-8 funerals A DAY for fallen soldiers. I have seen first hand the effects of this war. But I am willing to fight because I beleive that we have earned our freedom in this country and I personally beleive we have become to f!cking PC to actually do anything because of people just like you crying 'boo hoo' and doing nothing but standing in the way of progress. But again I defend your right to be that way.

daniel48706's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:39 PM
nobody was attacked, and no one was degraded. the simple impression was made that the opinions being given were being done by someone who was still in their teens, and when that proved false, that it was not worth while debating the issue because the the person with that opinion is old enough to be set in his ways about his opinions and not willing to change them.

No belittling, no attacking or anything.






Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la




One other point, it's against the rules to attack or degrade posters.
You address me in this manner again, I will copy your comments and report you.

willing2's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:43 PM





Dead babies
Can't take care of themselves
Dead babies
Can't take things off the shelf
Well we didn't need you anyway
Lalala-la, lalala-la, la la la


wow, i checked out your profile and was honestly expecting to see someone in their teens....no point in even talking with you now. If after 55 years you still are saying things like lalalala....there is no point.

That's Alice Coopers, Dead Babies.
You go ahead and believe what they spoon feed you. Your cold corpse would fill another hole and be forgotten just like those already dead.

Public Option and more war. Great ideas to eliminate a good chunk of population. Too bad folks will just pump out more vollunteers for the grinder.


I'm not buying into anything. I'm a cryptologist and by default I am privy to information you do not have access to. And as for forgotten corpes I'd ask you kindly to watch what it is you say. I served in the Ceremonial Guard in Washington, D.C for 2 years performing 5-8 funerals A DAY for fallen soldiers. I have seen first hand the effects of this war. But I am willing to fight because I beleive that we have earned our freedom in this country and I personally beleive we have become to f!cking PC to actually do anything because of people just like you crying 'boo hoo' and doing nothing but standing in the way of progress. But again I defend your right to be that way.


And I will pardon you because of your youth, lack of life experiance and buying into the bill of goods you are brainwashed into believing.
Ask most any Viet Nam vet and they'll tell you the same thing. The Gov. has and will continue to lie to ya'.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 09/14/09 02:49 PM
"ALL TERRORISM AND ITS ALLIES" is not a declaration of war issued by Congress. It is an emotional figure of speech. 1) Terrorism is a method, not an enemy 2) You are probably referring to the "Emergency war powers act", but this does not apply to Either the Iraq or Afghan invasions, so YOU should study up on YOUR materials.

You're right that the media lies. That's why I don't rely on it as a primary source. Representative Ron Paul has himself introduced declarations of war, and they were VOTED DOWN. Now, I demand a link to the Congressional declaration of war on Irag/Afghanistan, or politely admit that you were incorrect.


I am not being paid to give you a government lesson that yuo should have stayed awake during through highschool class. Nor am I being paid to repeat myself, as I already answered your question as to how the President can declare war on the conditional support of Congress. Please go back and reread what Iw rote already and you will have your answers.

And as far as a decleration never being issued, yes it was; between 6am and 7am Hawaiian time (i was living outside pearl harbor when 9/11 occurred). My mother woke me up at 4am (10am eastern time) to tell me to turn on the news that we were under attack. I work my wife up instantly and told her to get ready to be called to duty early (phone started ringing before I finished telling her why). Roughly two hours later, while watching the news, President Bush came on air to declare decisively and without hesitation that there was to be no misunderstanding, the attacks were a decleration of war against us, and that we hereby declared war upon ALL TERRORISM AND IT'S ALLIES.

I watched and listened to this myself. I paid attention to every single word coming out of our Presidents mouth, thus I can tell you without a doubt I know what was said and what was done. And I stayed awake during the afore mentioned government class which is why I a aare of the governmental powers and such.

And finally, just because the Press doesnt release something or talk about it, don't be fooled into thinking it doesnt exist. Like you have been told many times before on far different topics, the press would go out of business if they reported the truth even 30% more of the time. The truth does not sell; drama and conflict does.



OMG hvnly where do you get all these WRONG "facts" of yours? "war was never declared?" I personally remember listening to President Bush on 9/11/2001 while he spoke to the WORLD, declaring war against any and all terrorists and THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM. And before you spout off the rhetoric that it was an illegal decleration, might I remind you that the President has a window of opportunity, as it were, where he/she CAN declare war, conditionally upon it being approved within I think four months, by Congress. The war is valid for those four months (or whatever time period it actually is), even if Congress decides not to back it up. If Congress does not back it up, the war expires at the end of the time period, or when Congress declares it ended, whichever happens first.
In the case of 9/11/2001 CONGRESS supported President Bush unanimously with the decleration of war against all terrorists and their allies. Several other countries declared they would back us up in this war, though only a very few actually did.
Insofar as Iraq is concerne, yes we invaded, but we did so AFTER then President Hussein intentionally and knowingly blocked and hid all access to whatever he was really doing, and the United Nations refused to call him on it. We had what at the time constituted undeniable proof of wmd's ON IRAQ SOIL and thus declared war against Presdent Hussein due to his beliggerent defiance of the U.N. treaties and laws, along with accordance with our decleration of war against all allies of terrorism. AGAIN, Congress backed this up. In fact, tis tiem it went to Congress first.
In regards to Afghanistan, it is not an invasion because we were invited in but the local Government in order to clear the country of Bin Lauden and the Al-Quida operatives and training camps that were there.




They are going after al Qaeda Targets, what's the problem with that? Al Qaeda hasn't exactly changed their spots...


The problem is that there was never war declared, and Afghanistan (like Iraq) is a military invasion, not a war.



A declaration of war was never issued. If you read your constitution, this is done by CONGRESS, not the president. You can find this in any mainstream publication you desire. If you can find a declaration of war ("Operation Iraqui Freedom" is not a declaration of war, btw), I'd be curious how you found it when none of the media could.


Logan1976's photo
Mon 09/14/09 03:00 PM




So, tell me. How many of our babies are expendable? Many will die, don'cha know. And for what good reason?

for your FREEDOM to sit here and post in the comfort of your own home and not worry about it coming here! oh and i'm one of those 'babies' you are are talking about :D



Except fighting over there doesn't stop it from coming here that is a propaganda lie. Other than that thank you for volunteering to keep this country safe.

It's not all propaganda....some yes...not all.
Thank you Isaac. Thank you very much. What you have done and what others are doing does make a difference. Please do not listen to those that say otherwise. That point of view is the real propaganda driven by a Socialist agenda. I have no agenda. American freedom and following our Constitution is what is important. And you help protect both. I appreciate that more than I can say.