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dragoness...it originated in the UK...probably by racists. But the only argument for why people don't like this president seems to be racism. that seems to be the only reason you can possibly see. there were sides against every president before this...what was their excuse? he may have only been in office for a short time...but IMO he's making things worse. If some people have to "hunker down" any farther...they will be homeless The reason folks have to hunker down has nothing to do with Obama, it is all the backlash of Bush in office. The recession started under his watch. He is the one who bailed out the banks with no restrictions to how they spent the government money, etc... and so on. Obama has not done anything to make the recession worse. If people don't want other people to see them as unreasonable for possible other reasons they should make sure they have the facts fairly straight first. Socialism and liberalism have both been propaganda tools used by the racists of this country to influence people to their agenda without the folks even knowing they are following it. maybe you should pass that little talking point up the DNC command chain because "liberal" and "scocialising" seem to be fairly comfortable words around Democrat campfires... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_FXjbt6wY&feature=player_embedded |
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it's pointless arguing. BUT anyone implies I'm racist because I have issues with BHO...will get an earful gotcha |
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Warning: On Topic Post contained in this reply..
**a potential attempt to un-derail this thread** I don't have kids in grade school (that I know of, haha) but I can relate to the opposition to having this president wanting to spend an hour talking to the school children of America. Let's all take a look at the context under which this is occuring. We have a president that has a decidely different outlook on American life. It appears that the underlying principle to his economic policy is a mandate to "spread the wealth". This has raised the ire of many people in America and not just the well-to-do but those with aspiration of becoming well-to-do.. After all, the boot strap mentality has long been the dominant mindframe in the middle class. Upward mobility.. The phenomenon where "daddy owned half of main street and he ain't got a thing" comes with the reality that a person can become something from nothing and that just because someone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean he'll die with it.. The opportunity to make something of oneself is diametrically opposed to the idea that all should be forced to being equal.. If equality is the goal, why offer education? why give someone the opportuity to fail if you want all to be equal.. The opportunity of become successful and for achievement become meaningless if you take away the prospect of becoming a failure. Next, let's look at the steps Obama has taken to move the Census taking under the direction of the White House and couple that with the move to get school aged children to "help" with the census. The white house does not have the authority to direct the collection of census data, much less to use child labor to aide in that collection.. Now, he comes out and declares he wants an entire hour of face time with every school-age child K-12 and gives them an assignment where they're asked to write an essay on "How I can help the President" ?? I understand that this "assignment" has been altered to take out the "help president Obama" part, but the fact remains that a bell cannot be un-rung. The original intent was to have school kids write an essay in adoration of the President and were it not for the outcry from American parents, this "assignment" would have been carried out.. Many, I feel, see this as not just a bridge too far and a trip down the wrong road.. but an undavised, and some may argue unconstitutional, venture to begin with.. discuss.. |
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This just shows the ignorancy of some of the parents and the folly of believing the garbage they are fed from right wingers news sources. The speech was not going to be political other than asking the kids what they can do to help the president in this country which is just a learning experience for the kids. What can we all do to help the president in this country? Be politically active in positive ways, vote, let our representatives know how we feel about bills and such, etc... Those are all positive things all Americans should enjoy doing for this country. The paranoia is actually racially motivated for the most part. They don't want a black man in power speaking to their children, the childre may realize that all people are the same and how can the parents perpetuate their hatred if the children believe that all humans are the same. FWIW, it's not just the right who realize the propaganda potential here. Libertaians, anarchists, and other non-archists oppose any president doing this for similar reasons. (we realize that the State is trying to justify itself and instill undue respect for its representatives) I would feel the same way if any president did this. |
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I'm down here on the Mexican Border. Majority, Hispanic. As we are all aware, BHO got the majority of Hispanic votes. After many calls in opposition, the News Herald announced the Val Verde School District will not air the speech. Now, those who claim only racists oppose BHO can include Hispanics to their list of racists. He was not that popular with the hispanics. That is propaganda. Hispanics are prejudice against blacks too. there she goes again, with her bucket of scarlet paint.. She might have a point there. There are different shades of black and the truely black person who doesn't believe his BS must be racist also. Another point. If everyone who opposes him is racist, that would put at least 65% of the American population in the Racist category. His popularity level is less than 40%. Nobody said all who oppose him are racist. It seems some on here take things personally, I wonder why? Anyway, the reason the racial is so obvious here is that all presidents speak to the kids. ALL of them. There has never been such a stink made. The only difference from Obama and all others before him is that he doesn't have the shining white face. There have been liberal presidents before him, there have been democratic president before him, yet all of them were allowed to speak with children with few exceptions. So it is obvious of the racial issue here. The truth is often ugly but it is still the truth. have you ever heard the expression, "when the only tool you possess is a hammer, you see every problem as a nail"?? there most certainly is a racial issue going on here. but it's not the one you think it is.. everyone from jesse jackson to Al Sharpton, both Reverends without congregations but that's another story, has played the race card when faced with opposition to any of Obama's pie-in-the-sky policy agenda items.. playing this race carsdis supposed to insulate Obama from criticism but it is only serving to isolate him from the nation.. so I'll ask you.. is there any issue upon which someone may disagree with Obama or his Administration without you yelling 'racism'?? 
This whole issue is not about racism but a Socialist Agenda! PERIOD! Hell, Obama isn't even black, he is a Mulatto. I'm not exactly Lilly white either. I am Italian/Irish and that makes me a mutt as well. I very well could have black and Jewish blood in me for all I know. What does it matter? What is funny to me is how racism works both ways! I have gotten into it with Hispanics who hate whites and I am not afraid to dust off my knuckles on their faces like anyone else trying to get violent with me. Hell, I have had to get into it with blacks pulling that 'hatred of whitey' crap on me as well. It is mind boggling how people seek any excuse to promote 'hate speech' by saying everyone who does not like Obama is racist. I would have voted for Condoleeza Rice or Colon Powell in a heart beat and both of them are as black as they come. Both are HIGHLY educated and both are self made. Colon Powell was a general in our military and Condi climbed the ranks of the Republican Party under the Bush Administration and considering that she is a black woman means that was no easy feat. Obama is a mouthy politician who has a forked tongue! I never said anyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist. Never came out of my mouth. People tend to take things personally on here and I am not sure why. I call racist activity, speech, actions etc... when I see them. This is issue is racist. It may not be for all, some may have actually bought into the racists propaganda tools about socialism, liberalism, etc... but the core is racism. How do you know it is? Because when white presidents of the same calibre as Obama spoke to people's children there wasn't an issue of this magnitude. FWIW, after 9/11, Bush was lambasted for seemingly forever because he was reading to schoolkids when the towers fell and didn't run immediately after he heard, etc. The door swings both ways for these two parties-these twin towers of Statism and anti-individualism. |
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Boy do I know a lot of parents who are keeping their kids from school to protest Obama's addressing kids. Many parents I know are intentionally keeping their kids from school the day of Obama's speech for a host of reasons. Pink Floyd's song, "We Don't Need No Education," comes to mind. Many are afraid of the potential message Obama will be sending and this has been appearing in a host of Blogs and commentary. This move by Obama is more than controversial because there is concern that Obama will be pushing his socialist dogma trying to bend the minds of future voters who are not educated enough to understand the depth of the issues facing Obama's administration. This can be seen by many parents as a move for thought control! Most of the parents I know fear this most of all. I personally feel in my opinion politically speaking Obama is running into a mine field with an arm load of TNT and this politically motivated speech is going to have consequences many of us may not have foreseen. One of them is the violence that may erupt later as children are forced by social pressures that they are not ready for to make choices that they are not ready to make. This pressure will run along both political and racial ideals and lines. When a student does not choose to be part of the crowd they will get picked on and that will promote the same kind of violence that many parents fear out of a student's perceived need to protect themselves or the social ostracization they face. Crap like that causes Columbine HS like crap to happen. Remember that? Obama is in my opinion punching below the belt trying to sway children to his ideologies and this is a move of a dictator. Anyone remember the Hitler Youth? All presidents have visited schools and all made speeches before but this is the first time any president has intentionally attempted to pull something like this and that was because previous presidents knew that this is very dangerous ground. It is clear Obama is not having a good time facing the rest of us Americans with his failed ideas and his socialist dogma. To attempt to address children in a classroom like this prevents them from asking their peers and parents the questions they will have in an open forum and that is a whispering campaign. There will be no way for students to get educated rebuttal to whatever "Fearless Leader" has to say. The resentment to his upcoming address to the youth of America has parents in a huge uproar. If you are letting your child attend demand to be there just in case even if you support Obama because he may leave your children very confused. Worst still is the possibility that your kids may come home with ideas that may bite you in your a@@ as a parent. Nothing like having your kids think they are empowered to run roughshod over your backside! This is a tactic of a dictator. Look back on history. Amerika Uber Alles! Toten das Weissmann! 
Man this is about as paranoid as one can get and all over a damn speech to school kids. For heaven sakes grow up people. It appears that maybe the adults need an education. |
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I'm down here on the Mexican Border. Majority, Hispanic. As we are all aware, BHO got the majority of Hispanic votes. After many calls in opposition, the News Herald announced the Val Verde School District will not air the speech. Now, those who claim only racists oppose BHO can include Hispanics to their list of racists. He was not that popular with the hispanics. That is propaganda. Hispanics are prejudice against blacks too. there she goes again, with her bucket of scarlet paint.. She might have a point there. There are different shades of black and the truely black person who doesn't believe his BS must be racist also. Another point. If everyone who opposes him is racist, that would put at least 65% of the American population in the Racist category. His popularity level is less than 40%. Nobody said all who oppose him are racist. It seems some on here take things personally, I wonder why? Anyway, the reason the racial is so obvious here is that all presidents speak to the kids. ALL of them. There has never been such a stink made. The only difference from Obama and all others before him is that he doesn't have the shining white face. There have been liberal presidents before him, there have been democratic president before him, yet all of them were allowed to speak with children with few exceptions. So it is obvious of the racial issue here. The truth is often ugly but it is still the truth. have you ever heard the expression, "when the only tool you possess is a hammer, you see every problem as a nail"?? there most certainly is a racial issue going on here. but it's not the one you think it is.. everyone from jesse jackson to Al Sharpton, both Reverends without congregations but that's another story, has played the race card when faced with opposition to any of Obama's pie-in-the-sky policy agenda items.. playing this race carsdis supposed to insulate Obama from criticism but it is only serving to isolate him from the nation.. so I'll ask you.. is there any issue upon which someone may disagree with Obama or his Administration without you yelling 'racism'??
This whole issue is not about racism but a Socialist Agenda! PERIOD! Hell, Obama isn't even black, he is a Mulatto. I'm not exactly Lilly white either. I am Italian/Irish and that makes me a mutt as well. I very well could have black and Jewish blood in me for all I know. What does it matter? What is funny to me is how racism works both ways! I have gotten into it with Hispanics who hate whites and I am not afraid to dust off my knuckles on their faces like anyone else trying to get violent with me. Hell, I have had to get into it with blacks pulling that 'hatred of whitey' crap on me as well. It is mind boggling how people seek any excuse to promote 'hate speech' by saying everyone who does not like Obama is racist. I would have voted for Condoleeza Rice or Colon Powell in a heart beat and both of them are as black as they come. Both are HIGHLY educated and both are self made. Colon Powell was a general in our military and Condi climbed the ranks of the Republican Party under the Bush Administration and considering that she is a black woman means that was no easy feat. Obama is a mouthy politician who has a forked tongue! I never said anyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist. Never came out of my mouth. People tend to take things personally on here and I am not sure why. I call racist activity, speech, actions etc... when I see them. This is issue is racist. It may not be for all, some may have actually bought into the racists propaganda tools about socialism, liberalism, etc... but the core is racism. How do you know it is? Because when white presidents of the same calibre as Obama spoke to people's children there wasn't an issue of this magnitude. That is a rather myopic view of the situation! Preaching to children is weak, and also the move of despotic leaders. He needs to be addressing us more. He won't. Why? Socialized health care, nuff said! Look at how much fury it has caused. His plans are badly thought out and all of them political knee jerk reactions to a much more serious problem. What has he done about government spending? 
I actually went there didn't I? What about the earmarks and pork barrel spending? how about property values not coming down? How about him causing inflation to spiral upwards? And worst yet Congress is the real villians in this but Obama sure is running ahead of the herd. He is not a leader. What examples has he set? Only bad ones so far. TWO economic stimulus packages to the organizations that inflated property values and drove taxes up artificially? Sucking up to Labor Unions who drove a lot of industry out of this country? Demanding we pay for Congress's failures to do their damn job? Now we got to pay for deadbeats so they can go to the doctor and get free medical care while the rest of us pay for it? Two Words, Financial Accountability. he sure does not seem to understand that. Oh but all of us Americans are so rich. Where is my house on the hill? Where is my Mercedes Benz? Hell, Where is my Bentley? Where are my three meals a day and my king sized bed? Where is my swimming pool and membership to the Country Club? 
Geezuz, calm down already..... |
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This just shows the ignorancy of some of the parents and the folly of believing the garbage they are fed from right wingers news sources. The speech was not going to be political other than asking the kids what they can do to help the president in this country which is just a learning experience for the kids. What can we all do to help the president in this country? Be politically active in positive ways, vote, let our representatives know how we feel about bills and such, etc... Those are all positive things all Americans should enjoy doing for this country. The paranoia is actually racially motivated for the most part. They don't want a black man in power speaking to their children, the childre may realize that all people are the same and how can the parents perpetuate their hatred if the children believe that all humans are the same. FWIW, it's not just the right who realize the propaganda potential here. Libertaians, anarchists, and other non-archists oppose any president doing this for similar reasons. (we realize that the State is trying to justify itself and instill undue respect for its representatives) I would feel the same way if any president did this. But noone did feel this way when all presidents did it before. All presidents I guess from this threads argument are guilty of indoctrinating our children into their evil web. |
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I'm down here on the Mexican Border. Majority, Hispanic. As we are all aware, BHO got the majority of Hispanic votes. After many calls in opposition, the News Herald announced the Val Verde School District will not air the speech. Now, those who claim only racists oppose BHO can include Hispanics to their list of racists. He was not that popular with the hispanics. That is propaganda. Hispanics are prejudice against blacks too. there she goes again, with her bucket of scarlet paint.. She might have a point there. There are different shades of black and the truely black person who doesn't believe his BS must be racist also. Another point. If everyone who opposes him is racist, that would put at least 65% of the American population in the Racist category. His popularity level is less than 40%. Nobody said all who oppose him are racist. It seems some on here take things personally, I wonder why? Anyway, the reason the racial is so obvious here is that all presidents speak to the kids. ALL of them. There has never been such a stink made. The only difference from Obama and all others before him is that he doesn't have the shining white face. There have been liberal presidents before him, there have been democratic president before him, yet all of them were allowed to speak with children with few exceptions. So it is obvious of the racial issue here. The truth is often ugly but it is still the truth. have you ever heard the expression, "when the only tool you possess is a hammer, you see every problem as a nail"?? there most certainly is a racial issue going on here. but it's not the one you think it is.. everyone from jesse jackson to Al Sharpton, both Reverends without congregations but that's another story, has played the race card when faced with opposition to any of Obama's pie-in-the-sky policy agenda items.. playing this race carsdis supposed to insulate Obama from criticism but it is only serving to isolate him from the nation.. so I'll ask you.. is there any issue upon which someone may disagree with Obama or his Administration without you yelling 'racism'??
This whole issue is not about racism but a Socialist Agenda! PERIOD! Hell, Obama isn't even black, he is a Mulatto. I'm not exactly Lilly white either. I am Italian/Irish and that makes me a mutt as well. I very well could have black and Jewish blood in me for all I know. What does it matter? What is funny to me is how racism works both ways! I have gotten into it with Hispanics who hate whites and I am not afraid to dust off my knuckles on their faces like anyone else trying to get violent with me. Hell, I have had to get into it with blacks pulling that 'hatred of whitey' crap on me as well. It is mind boggling how people seek any excuse to promote 'hate speech' by saying everyone who does not like Obama is racist. I would have voted for Condoleeza Rice or Colon Powell in a heart beat and both of them are as black as they come. Both are HIGHLY educated and both are self made. Colon Powell was a general in our military and Condi climbed the ranks of the Republican Party under the Bush Administration and considering that she is a black woman means that was no easy feat. Obama is a mouthy politician who has a forked tongue! I never said anyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist. Never came out of my mouth. People tend to take things personally on here and I am not sure why. I call racist activity, speech, actions etc... when I see them. This is issue is racist. It may not be for all, some may have actually bought into the racists propaganda tools about socialism, liberalism, etc... but the core is racism. How do you know it is? Because when white presidents of the same calibre as Obama spoke to people's children there wasn't an issue of this magnitude. That is a rather myopic view of the situation! Preaching to children is weak, and also the move of despotic leaders. He needs to be addressing us more. He won't. Why? Socialized health care, nuff said! Look at how much fury it has caused. His plans are badly thought out and all of them political knee jerk reactions to a much more serious problem. What has he done about government spending?
I actually went there didn't I? What about the earmarks and pork barrel spending? how about property values not coming down? How about him causing inflation to spiral upwards? And worst yet Congress is the real villians in this but Obama sure is running ahead of the herd. He is not a leader. What examples has he set? Only bad ones so far. TWO economic stimulus packages to the organizations that inflated property values and drove taxes up artificially? Sucking up to Labor Unions who drove a lot of industry out of this country? Demanding we pay for Congress's failures to do their damn job? Now we got to pay for deadbeats so they can go to the doctor and get free medical care while the rest of us pay for it? Two Words, Financial Accountability. he sure does not seem to understand that. Oh but all of us Americans are so rich. Where is my house on the hill? Where is my Mercedes Benz? Hell, Where is my Bentley? Where are my three meals a day and my king sized bed? Where is my swimming pool and membership to the Country Club?
I sure hope you were this upset over Bush's illegal activities in office. He actually tried to be dictator in this country. Most of what you have mentioned above was done by Bush and has been a direct result of Bush in office. Obama hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet. So if your motive is not racial then get the facts of who did the damage straight first and then we can have a logical discussion of what Obama may or may not do. As for the kids all presidents have spoken to the kids so all of them are guilty of indoctrination if that is your argument. As a matter of fact let me offer this, I opposed our war in Iraq because the Bush family made Saddam. It was a war for oil, not Iraqi Freedom. We wasted our tax dollars fighting Bush's family war. Still it too our congress to approve going to war in the first place. TSA and Homeland Security? Both tragedies inflicted on us but again Approved by congress! I hate both organizations especially since the TSA got shaken by luggage theft rings operating under their guidance. I also love how the Bush administration actually sand bagged alternative energy policy! Even worst was how Cheney pulled all those strings behind Bush's back. Also Bush's lack of response to 9/11 and the eventual action in Iraq happened. I also didn't like the Bush Stimulus package. Then comes Obama making the same mistakes economically only he goaded on inflation even more. Don't even get me started on Clinton. Remember the 70s under the Carter administration? Dem or Rep, the two party system and the people in it are failing us wholesale! Do you change a car to fix it? No, you fix it. America does not need direct change, it needs to be fixed! That would be a positive change. Not socializing our government. We cannot afford it! Too many dead beats bleeding the system now and people want to sponsor more? |
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People just don't get it.
It's hard enough to get grown adults to sit and listen to an American leader's words without their radio host translator or media outlet to tell them what they mean. Do you really think that kids will soak it in? They might think it's pretty cool and just maybe focus on learning. Why have something good come out of this when we can promote fear and division? Is'nt that the new American Way? The terrorists taught us well it seems. |
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People just don't get it. It's hard enough to get grown adults to sit and listen to an American leader's words without their radio host translator or media outlet to tell them what they mean. Do you really think that kids will soak it in? They might think it's pretty cool and just maybe focus on learning. Why have something good come out of this when we can promote fear and division? Is'nt that the new American Way? The terrorists taught us well it seems. When the edited version comes out, it will probably fit the accepted guide and be deleted of the part where BHO wants Loyalty to Obama. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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this is really no longer about Obama addressing the kids for whatever reason
this is about the right wing propaganda machine stirring up hate and discontent against Obama and the speech to the kids is just a tool they use to do so I dont even have a problem with writing a "Help Obama" theme. some of these kids might have some pretty good ideas. I just can't see hundreds of kids walking around like zombies chanting "Oh Bah Mah" after he gives his speech its all kinda silly to me and reminds me of something Cindy Sheehan would have been preaching against Bush |
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this is really no longer about Obama addressing the kids for whatever reason this is about the right wing propaganda machine stirring up hate and discontent against Obama and the speech to the kids is just a tool they use to do so I dont even have a problem with writing a "Help Obama" theme. some of these kids might have some pretty good ideas. I just can't see hundreds of kids walking around like zombies chanting "Oh Bah Mah" after he gives his speech its all kinda silly to me and reminds me of something Cindy Sheehan would have been preaching against Bush Let me ask you why he didn't go ahead and insist on using the original speech he had prepared? |
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this is really no longer about Obama addressing the kids for whatever reason this is about the right wing propaganda machine stirring up hate and discontent against Obama and the speech to the kids is just a tool they use to do so I dont even have a problem with writing a "Help Obama" theme. some of these kids might have some pretty good ideas. I just can't see hundreds of kids walking around like zombies chanting "Oh Bah Mah" after he gives his speech its all kinda silly to me and reminds me of something Cindy Sheehan would have been preaching against Bush Let me ask you why he didn't go ahead and insist on using the original speech he had prepared? I dunno I havent seen it but I imagine that there was such a foofaraw parsing every single word trying to find the most offense from the most innocuous phrases that he had to water it down to try to please everyone and now it probably doesnt even say anything worth listening to |
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