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Topic: Marriages now more fragile, more optional
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Thu 09/03/09 08:45 PM
"Marriage has changed more in the last 35 years than in the previous 3,500 years according to noted author and historian Stephanie Coontz. As individuals and as a society, we are still trying to sort out the consequences of these changes and how to cope with them.
For thousands of years, marriage was a NOT about love and mutual respect but about property, power and male dominance. It was only 200 years ago that love began to be central to the definition of marriage, and only 100 years ago that we began the long march to equality between men and women. ....marriage has become fairer and more fulfilling than in the past, but also more optional and fragile".

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Thu 09/03/09 08:55 PM
but but Jacob loved Rachel many a year ago

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Thu 09/03/09 09:17 PM

but but Jacob loved Rachel many a year ago


Agree there are many love stories from literature and this case the bible, but I think the author is right we are now in new territory and look at the divorce rates!!

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Thu 09/03/09 09:23 PM
Maybe the marriages lasted longer when they were a marriage of convenience or an arranged marriage..there was a reason to stay together that was determined before the marriage took place. Hummmm You have me thinking about this now daytime.

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Thu 09/03/09 09:30 PM
Womans rights has caused quite a stir in marriage. Also marriages used to be arranged not to the point of how it is portrayed in movies, but love was not a question. Also women didnt go around having sex as openly as they have progressively in the last 200 years. When man and woman became husband and wife whether arranged or through choice the woman was a virgin or she had only slept with her betrothed. Sex always makes things more complicated. And now more younger people confuse lust for love. And so they get married because the sex is good. But then once the sex is gone they realize that their heart is not in the relationship. So they divorce or worse one of the partners seeks alternative outlets to provide them with that feeling they had at the begining of the relationship. Or the alternative is that because women have become power houses in the work place, some men take the lesser role. And it can become an issue in the household. Some men are bums and refuse to work because the woman makes more money. That can make a man feel inferior to the woman and it adds strain and conflict if the man is not pulling his weigh. Imagine this, the woman works a full time job, comes home to her husband and maybe kids. She has to clean house, tend to the kids needs, and do the shopping and bill paying. All while the husband kicks up his feet and does nothing. That is what the younger society is coming to in general. There are many men who provide for house and home. But a great number are falling into the other category. That i believe is why marriages are so stained plus the added loss of jobs. Its only going to get worse.

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Thu 09/03/09 09:34 PM
Damn I fell so encouraged now !frustrated

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Thu 09/03/09 10:34 PM

Damn I fell so encouraged now !frustrated


Sorryflowerforyou
I thought the article would give more insight into what people are experiencing and wondering why me???? It is just a food for thought type of post
flowerforyou

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Thu 09/03/09 10:36 PM

Womans rights has caused quite a stir in marriage. Also marriages used to be arranged not to the point of how it is portrayed in movies, but love was not a question. Also women didnt go around having sex as openly as they have progressively in the last 200 years. When man and woman became husband and wife whether arranged or through choice the woman was a virgin or she had only slept with her betrothed. Sex always makes things more complicated. And now more younger people confuse lust for love. And so they get married because the sex is good. But then once the sex is gone they realize that their heart is not in the relationship. So they divorce or worse one of the partners seeks alternative outlets to provide them with that feeling they had at the begining of the relationship. Or the alternative is that because women have become power houses in the work place, some men take the lesser role. And it can become an issue in the household. Some men are bums and refuse to work because the woman makes more money. That can make a man feel inferior to the woman and it adds strain and conflict if the man is not pulling his weigh. Imagine this, the woman works a full time job, comes home to her husband and maybe kids. She has to clean house, tend to the kids needs, and do the shopping and bill paying. All while the husband kicks up his feet and does nothing. That is what the younger society is coming to in general. There are many men who provide for house and home. But a great number are falling into the other category. That i believe is why marriages are so stained plus the added loss of jobs. Its only going to get worse.


Hi Munchie,
Yes I have known some women (co-workers) like this that support the whole family. It's sad they always look frazzled and tired.

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Thu 09/03/09 10:41 PM


Damn I fell so encouraged now !frustrated


Sorryflowerforyou
I thought the article would give more insight into what people are experiencing and wondering why me???? It is just a food for thought type of post
flowerforyou
It's ok .I have given it lots of thought over the years .It is obvious the "times have changed "as it were .I believe for the worse but then I'm a romantic .I do'nt wonder I know in my case .I just wish it were otherwise .Sometimes changes are not so good .

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Thu 09/03/09 10:45 PM
I was lucky. I had a great marriage. First and only one, (so far) for both of us. I was raised in a strict upbringing and my Mother taught me a few things that have served me well. This is one change I don't like.

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Thu 09/03/09 10:50 PM
With families and communities tied together by marriage, the pull was stronger, and reinforced by families to stay together too.

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Thu 09/03/09 10:58 PM
Edited by STARTRAVELER on Thu 09/03/09 10:59 PM

I was lucky. I had a great marriage. First and only one, (so far) for both of us. I was raised in a strict upbringing and my Mother taught me a few things that have served me well. This is one change I don't like.
I do'nt believe you were lucky ,I beleive you worked at it and made a marriage that was successful.People nowdays think it just happens or it does'nt there is no effort put forth someone is always out there willing to take what is'nt theres because they can ! Sorry do'nt mean to generalize but I have seen it too many times in one family not too.5 out of 6 marriages and one person twice thats pretty incredible odds dontcha think ?What a family !I should add Auburn that I congratulate and commend you for your success.

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Thu 09/03/09 10:58 PM
The purple love rod killed the sexual revolution!!!noway laugh

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Thu 09/03/09 11:01 PM

The purple love rod killed the sexual revolution!!!noway laugh
Naw maybe it was the pink sex kitten !

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Thu 09/03/09 11:03 PM
Women now adays dont really need a man to be successful. If you think about it. We work, earn our own, own our houses etc. Alot can do handy work or have the money to get it done. The only thing a woman really needs is sex and well, the purple love rod can do that.

The purple love rod never pisses us off, never tells us what to do and never insults us or disappoints us.

I think more women will be marrying their purple love rods....surprised rofl

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Thu 09/03/09 11:07 PM
Well damn have fun with all that ! I'll just keep my closet space then !bigsmile laugh flowerforyou

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Thu 09/03/09 11:10 PM

Womans rights has caused quite a stir in marriage. Also marriages used to be arranged not to the point of how it is portrayed in movies, but love was not a question. Also women didnt go around having sex as openly as they have progressively in the last 200 years. When man and woman became husband and wife whether arranged or through choice the woman was a virgin or she had only slept with her betrothed. Sex always makes things more complicated. And now more younger people confuse lust for love. And so they get married because the sex is good. But then once the sex is gone they realize that their heart is not in the relationship. So they divorce or worse one of the partners seeks alternative outlets to provide them with that feeling they had at the begining of the relationship. Or the alternative is that because women have become power houses in the work place, some men take the lesser role. And it can become an issue in the household. Some men are bums and refuse to work because the woman makes more money. That can make a man feel inferior to the woman and it adds strain and conflict if the man is not pulling his weigh. Imagine this, the woman works a full time job, comes home to her husband and maybe kids. She has to clean house, tend to the kids needs, and do the shopping and bill paying. All while the husband kicks up his feet and does nothing. That is what the younger society is coming to in general. There are many men who provide for house and home. But a great number are falling into the other category. That i believe is why marriages are so stained plus the added loss of jobs. Its only going to get worse.



I don't think it's just the younger people.... there are a lot of young people who are working on their marriages/relationships. They are struggling to do what they believe is right for them in a changing society. I know of many in my age group who walk out of a 20/30 year marriage also.

:heart:

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Thu 09/03/09 11:10 PM
WE do however want your closet space!!!pitchfork laugh laugh laugh

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Thu 09/03/09 11:16 PM


Womans rights has caused quite a stir in marriage. Also marriages used to be arranged not to the point of how it is portrayed in movies, but love was not a question. Also women didnt go around having sex as openly as they have progressively in the last 200 years. When man and woman became husband and wife whether arranged or through choice the woman was a virgin or she had only slept with her betrothed. Sex always makes things more complicated. And now more younger people confuse lust for love. And so they get married because the sex is good. But then once the sex is gone they realize that their heart is not in the relationship. So they divorce or worse one of the partners seeks alternative outlets to provide them with that feeling they had at the begining of the relationship. Or the alternative is that because women have become power houses in the work place, some men take the lesser role. And it can become an issue in the household. Some men are bums and refuse to work because the woman makes more money. That can make a man feel inferior to the woman and it adds strain and conflict if the man is not pulling his weigh. Imagine this, the woman works a full time job, comes home to her husband and maybe kids. She has to clean house, tend to the kids needs, and do the shopping and bill paying. All while the husband kicks up his feet and does nothing. That is what the younger society is coming to in general. There are many men who provide for house and home. But a great number are falling into the other category. That i believe is why marriages are so stained plus the added loss of jobs. Its only going to get worse.



I don't think it's just the younger people.... there are a lot of young people who are working on their marriages/relationships. They are struggling to do what they believe is right for them in a changing society. I know of many in my age group who walk out of a 20/30 year marriage also.

:heart:
I agree I never meant to imply age specifics here I just see it as an across the board change for the worse .But then again I said I was an old fashioned romantic ! And Gypsy no closet space for you !Unless there is that cabana girl position yet to be filled !

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Thu 09/03/09 11:17 PM

Women now adays dont really need a man to be successful. If you think about it. We work, earn our own, own our houses etc. Alot can do handy work or have the money to get it done. The only thing a woman really needs is sex and well, the purple love rod can do that.

The purple love rod never pisses us off, never tells us what to do and never insults us or disappoints us.

I think more women will be marrying their purple love rods....surprised rofl



How do you have a wedding with the purple love rod surprised

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