I don't do religion on the posts here. However you can't prove you exist because you exist relevant to another person or object. Just the same way that you dream and the dreams could be so very real to the point that everything exists in that universe the moment you wake up that is gone.

Now prove to me that what goes on around us is not the figment of imagination of something somewhere. If you are going to argue they have been dreaming a long time let me remind you that what has gone on in the world in the last thousands of years is a flash of a second in another universe.
Sorry you guys like to get things simplified. They are not as simple as you make it.

You may wish to study Alan Watts

you can prove your existence only according to yourself and your actions leading to relatively stable changes .

Robert1652, thanx for pointing that out -- A. Watts:
according to his own admition (the way I understand him), EVERYTHING'S RELATIVE, (JUST LIKE OUR EXCHANGE OF IDEAS) as examplified in his essay "The nature of Consciousness":
...So you see, all I'm trying to say is that the basic common sense about the nature of the world that is influencing most people in the United States today is simply a myth. If you want to say that the idea of God the father with his white beard on the golden throne is a myth, in a bad sense of the word 'myth,' so is this other one. It is just as phony and has just as little to support it as being the true state of affairs. Why? Let's get this clear. If there is any such thing at all as intelligence and love and beauty, well you've found it in other people. In other words, it exists in us as human beings. And as I said, if it is there, in us, it is symptomatic of the scheme of things. We are as symptomatic of the scheme of things as the apples are symptomatic of the apple tree or the rose of the rose bush. The Earth is not a big rock infested with living organisms any more than your skeleton is bones infested with cells. The Earth is geological, yes, but this geological entity grows people, and our existence on the Earth is a symptom of this other system, and its balances, as much as the solar system in turn is a symptom of our galaxy, and our galaxy in its turn is a symptom of a whole company of other galaxies. Goodness only knows what that's in.

But you see, when, as a scientist, you describe the behavior of a living organism, you try to say what a person does, it's the only way in which you can describe what a person is, describe what they do. Then you find out that in making this description, you cannot confine yourself to what happens inside the skin. In other words, you cannot talk about a person walking unless you start describing the floor, because when I walk, I don't just dangle my legs in empty space. I move in relationship to a room. So in order to describe what I'm doing when I'm walking, I have to describe the room; I have to describe the territory. So in describing my talking at the moment, I can't describe it as just a thing in itself, because I'm talking to you. And so what I'm doing at the moment is not completely described unless your being here is described also. So if that is necessary, in other words, in order to describe MY behavior, I have to describe YOUR behavior and the behavior of the environment, it means that we've really got one system of behavior. Your skin doesn't separate you from the world; it's a bridge through which the external world flows into you, and you flow into it.

Thanks for posting that quote. It is one of the better lines of reasoning I have seen.

Don't mention.

Its a pitty, though, not everybody appreciates that beauty!!!

EXCELLENT QUESTION!!! I PERSONALY THINK IF YOURE SMART ENOUGH TO ASK THE QUESTION,YOURE SMART ENOUGH TO FIND THE ANSWER...

"IF YOU SEEEEEEEK ME....YOU SHALL FIIIIND ME"...

PERSONALLY I BELEIVE THAT "GOD" IS INSURMOUNTABLE AND CANT BE MEASURED OR LABELED OR BOXED ...MY EARTHLY PARENTS GAVE ME A NAME/LABEL ITS HARD TO TRY TO EXPLAIN/MEASURE/REASON SOMETHING THAT CANT BE MEASURED...DO A GOOGLE/SCROOGLE/CLUSTY SEARCH ON "NICOLA TESLA" "A MAN OUT OF TIME".FIND SOME VIDEOS TO WATCH ABOUT HIM AND LEARN OF "ENERGY" IT'S A TOPIC THAT IS SUPPRESSED FROM "WE-THE-PEOPLE".--(BUT--)...IF YOU SEEK ,YOU SHALL FIND.......THE BUT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH..LOL...
EXAMPLE("I LOVE YOU,...BUT..."?")LOL,ANYWAYS,SOMEWHERE IN ONE OF THE VIDEOS THE SPEAKER SAID NICOLA TESLA CREATED A WIRELESS-ENERGY-TOWER THAT COULD TRANSMIT ENERGY TO ANOTHER RECEIVING-TOWER SORT OF LIKE THE SAME WAY WE GOT WIRELESS-CELL-PHONES USING THE INVISIBLE "FREQUENCY-WAVES". THEN THE SPEAKER SAYS TESLA GOT INTO AN ARGUEMENT WITH A MAN NAMED JP MORGAN OVER THE SUBJECT THAT THE WIRELESS-ENERGY COULDNT BE METERED/MEASURED TO BE ABLE TO TAX/CHARGE PEOPLE FOR THE ENERGY/POWER.(HMM,SHOULD WIRELESS CELL PHONE SERVICE ALSO BE FREE TO FLOW MINUS THE FAIR COST OF MATERIAL/LABOR?)REMINDS ME OF THE PHARISEES/RELIGEOUS LEADERS/REPRESENTATIVES OF GOD THEY WERE CORRUPT LIKE SOME COPS WE HAVE EXPIRIENCED IT CAN MAKE US BE BITTER TOWARDS ALL "REPRESETATIVES",BUT REMEMBER THERE IS MORE GOOD OUT THERE THAN EVIL.WHEN ITS ALL SAID-AND-DONE GOOD WINS...AND SO DOES HIS "FOLLOWERS"............... CHOOSE-WISELY-MY-DEAR-FRIENDS.....feel-free to mingle/flow,with care....NICOLAE

marinate on that for bout 15 minutes
"boxed" in "time"...(temporarily)

EXCELLENT QUESTION!!! I PERSONALY THINK IF YOURE SMART ENOUGH TO ASK THE QUESTION,YOURE SMART ENOUGH TO FIND THE ANSWER...

"IF YOU SEEEEEEEK ME....YOU SHALL FIIIIND ME"...

PERSONALLY I BELEIVE THAT "GOD" IS INSURMOUNTABLE AND CANT BE MEASURED OR LABELED OR BOXED ...MY EARTHLY PARENTS GAVE ME A NAME/LABEL ITS HARD TO TRY TO EXPLAIN/MEASURE/REASON SOMETHING THAT CANT BE MEASURED...DO A GOOGLE/SCROOGLE/CLUSTY SEARCH ON "NICOLA TESLA" "A MAN OUT OF TIME".FIND SOME VIDEOS TO WATCH ABOUT HIM AND LEARN OF "ENERGY" IT'S A TOPIC THAT IS SUPPRESSED FROM "WE-THE-PEOPLE".--(BUT--)...IF YOU SEEK ,YOU SHALL FIND.......THE BUT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH..LOL...
EXAMPLE("I LOVE YOU,...BUT..."?")LOL,ANYWAYS,SOMEWHERE IN ONE OF THE VIDEOS THE SPEAKER SAID NICOLA TESLA CREATED A WIRELESS-ENERGY-TOWER THAT COULD TRANSMIT ENERGY TO ANOTHER RECEIVING-TOWER SORT OF LIKE THE SAME WAY WE GOT WIRELESS-CELL-PHONES USING THE INVISIBLE "FREQUENCY-WAVES". THEN THE SPEAKER SAYS TESLA GOT INTO AN ARGUEMENT WITH A MAN NAMED JP MORGAN OVER THE SUBJECT THAT THE WIRELESS-ENERGY COULDNT BE METERED/MEASURED TO BE ABLE TO TAX/CHARGE PEOPLE FOR THE ENERGY/POWER.(HMM,SHOULD WIRELESS CELL PHONE SERVICE ALSO BE FREE TO FLOW MINUS THE FAIR COST OF MATERIAL/LABOR?)REMINDS ME OF THE PHARISEES/RELIGEOUS LEADERS/REPRESENTATIVES OF GOD THEY WERE CORRUPT LIKE SOME COPS WE HAVE EXPIRIENCED IT CAN MAKE US BE BITTER TOWARDS ALL "REPRESETATIVES",BUT REMEMBER THERE IS MORE GOOD OUT THERE THAN EVIL.WHEN ITS ALL SAID-AND-DONE GOOD WINS...AND SO DOES HIS "FOLLOWERS"............... CHOOSE-WISELY-MY-DEAR-FRIENDS.....feel-free to mingle/flow,with care....NICOLAE

marinate on that for bout 15 minutes
"boxed" in "time"...(temporarily)

Nicolae,

First off, welcome to the Sci&Phi forum.

Secondly, capital letters are generally considered "shouting" and thus not proper etiquette. Many people will not even read a post that is all caps. So you might consider that in the future. Nothing belittling or derogatory implied or intended there. Just some information for your consideration.

Again, welcome to the forums.

Oh, also, watch out for the double posts. Sometimes an inadvertend double click on the "POST" button can cause that. Just use the "EDIT" button and replace all the text in one of the double posts with "(double post deleted)" or something to that effect. This is simply a space-saver.

I get totally lost in a post with all caps. I get half way through and my eyes go crossed.

Yes, do not use all caps. I would rather see all lower case it you can't do both for some reason.

Wow,I didnt realize this was part of mingle2...pretty-cool-stuff.

Somebody please shoot that guy.

Well, finally, a fresh blood! Wellcome, at last!!!

Sorry, Nicolae, don't pay attention to some of the old members -- they think they own the site...

However, don't let anybody catch you with the foot in your mouth!!

And try to curb your excitement: this particular thread has as much in common with dating as deep thinking does with sex!

Otherwise, Enjoy your stay!!!

P.S. Do not hit the "Send" button more than once -- especially at the Forums!

And now, the comments:


I like your enthusiasm!
Not that I disagree, but usually it takes quite a while... So, when it finally happens, I cannot help wondering whether the WIN has been automatic -- the good wins in the end -- or the result of my "blood-sweat-and-tears"? ? ?

curious to know if you can name a planetary system that astronomers refer to it's star as "the sun" other than our own. sometimes refuting religious beliefs take on the sillyness of the belief itself huh?

I am.

All I know for certain is that I am.

Well in some circles I can prove I exist. Proof is only a matter of belief after all.

I can't prove to you that what goes on around us is not a figment of imagination because that is exactly what it is.

This is a thought universe and everything in it is 'mind stuff' and it exists in what I call the Universal mind.'

This is an infinite universe with its own space time frames of reference and there could be other universes that only live for a split second compared to this one just as we may only exist for a split second compared to another one.

Time and space do not even exist. They too are only 'mind stuff.'

All of space and time has its existence around events and interactions. The dimensions of space and time are simply coordinates for the location of thought events. Matter and form are simply memory and energy that is stored.

Oh, please, DON'T PRETEND BEING SMART!
We all know who and what you are...

P.S. Our solar system is not unique -- there are countless others!

Well he's right. The biggest energy in this solar system may be the sun, but it is by no means the "biggest energy of all" nor does it give life to everything, nor is it "God." There are stars in our galaxy that would make our sun look like a tiny speck, and our galaxy is only one of many in the universe. You don't have to be smart to know stuff like that. Its pretty common knowledge thanks to the discovery channel.