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Edited by
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I got away for 2 weeks ( a week ago) to a place where I had no contact with news and not even internet. Only a 2 TV channels, both showing discussions about art, history and heritage and to tell you the truth I felt about a 100 times better. I had no idea what was going on in the world or what was the latest "breaking news" and to tell you the truth I didn't miss it either.
I recommend this to everyone to take a break away from the stupid tv and the news. |
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Ya' gotta' know somethin's up when one-time Dem. supporters are backin' away from Nationalized Health Care and dropping their support for BHO. What's he and his plan at now? About 45%? It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening. 
I have heard that it is not like the news had portrayed it to be at the rallies for the most part. Those few crazies seemed to make the headlines but are not a representation of the majority. There were about 500 to 800 people at the rally. There was only a handful of people that disagreed. They weren't close to us but their noise was bad. They even blew a car horn for awhile. |
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I got away for 2 weeks ( a week ago) to a place where I had no contact with news and not even internet. Only a 2 TV channels, both showing discussions about art, history and heritage and to tell you the truth I felt about a 100 times better. I had such crappy cable service I had em turn it off a couple months ago. just wasn't gonna pay for snow no mo and it's been a relief. I'm quickly starting to not care if liberals win or if conservatives do I lived through Nixon and Jimmy Carter. I can live through anything they can do |
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Ya' gotta' know somethin's up when one-time Dem. supporters are backin' away from Nationalized Health Care and dropping their support for BHO. What's he and his plan at now? About 45%? It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening.
I have heard that it is not like the news had portrayed it to be at the rallies for the most part. Those few crazies seemed to make the headlines but are not a representation of the majority. There were about 500 to 800 people at the rally. There was only a handful of people that disagreed. They weren't close to us but their noise was bad. They even blew a car horn for awhile. Yea, that is what I heard. The majority of people are trying to listen and put in positive input. I guess sensationalism will always be around. |
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I got away for 2 weeks ( a week ago) to a place where I had no contact with news and not even internet. Only a 2 TV channels, both showing discussions about art, history and heritage and to tell you the truth I felt about a 100 times better. I had such crappy cable service I had em turn it off a couple months ago. just wasn't gonna pay for snow no mo and it's been a relief. I'm quickly starting to not care if liberals win or if conservatives do I lived through Nixon and Jimmy Carter. I can live through anything they can do Or try growing up in the soviet bloc for 15 years. Been there done that..I can take anything maybe even Hitler. |
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Edited by
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Mon 08/31/09 06:49 AM
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. If we censure them, we have to start censuring everyone. I agree at the frustration but it just means we need to do our own homework and check out all the news from different points of view to get some semblence of the truth. Some people do not want to do this much work so they chose one station or side of an issue and stick with it. It means they will be misinformed but they have the right to walk around misinformed if they so choose to. I try to make sure I check all outlets and sides of things for a more balanced view. I get what you are saying, however all news and Senator's spewing misinformation are video taped, why could that not be used against them when they lie. Hmmmm, of course I suspect at first there might not be room in the jails to house the liars. LOL I don't mind doing my homework but it irritates me all to hell when I have to spend more time on it than anything else in my life just to get the damn truth. |
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Edited by
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Mon 08/31/09 06:46 AM
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I got away for 2 weeks ( a week ago) to a place where I had no contact with news and not even internet. Only a 2 TV channels, both showing discussions about art, history and heritage and to tell you the truth I felt about a 100 times better. I had no idea what was going on in the world or what was the latest "breaking news" and to tell you the truth I didn't miss it either. I recommend this to everyone to take a break away from the stupid tv and the news. I know what you mean. This stuff get so stuck in one's head you wake up with the same thing you went to sleep with. Which is why I tend to read something up lifting before I go to sleep. I would not be the news section of Mingle either.. lol |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. Left spin. it is far easier to pick up the bill for a 10% chunck of the population than it is to foot the bill for the ENTIRE population... Put some perspective on it... Serve it as a pie and it becomes obvious that MOST people get a good slice... and those that don't get a bit from every other piece. What needs fixin so bad that we must burn the house down to save the furniture. |
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13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE.
that is the best point we need to fix the system we have not create a whole new system the free market would work if it didnt have so much government intervention. The free market is me and you shopping for the cheapest price and the best product. Right now there is so much government regulation that it's not possible I like the idea of the co-ops. There are some health co-ops in the US that have been operating succesfully for a hundred years. Use them as a model |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. Left spin. it is far easier to pick up the bill for a 10% chunck of the population than it is to foot the bill for the ENTIRE population... Put some perspective on it... Serve it as a pie and it becomes obvious that MOST people get a good slice... and those that don't get a bit from every other piece. What needs fixin so bad that we must burn the house down to save the furniture. Not a spin, IMO. It's a fact. We usually pick up the bill. Our insurance rates also go up because of it. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. Left spin. it is far easier to pick up the bill for a 10% chunck of the population than it is to foot the bill for the ENTIRE population... Put some perspective on it... Serve it as a pie and it becomes obvious that MOST people get a good slice... and those that don't get a bit from every other piece. What needs fixin so bad that we must burn the house down to save the furniture. Not a spin, IMO. It's a fact. We usually pick up the bill. Our insurance rates also go up because of it. Spin is when you take a small fact and turn it into something it is not... Our insurance rates go up because the we let them. When you consider that a small (10%or less) part costs us more in insurance to cover - WHAT WILL IT COST TO COVER 100%... more then we can afford. |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Mon 08/31/09 08:00 AM
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13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE.
that is the best point we need to fix the system we have not create a whole new system the free market would work if it didnt have so much government intervention. The free market is me and you shopping for the cheapest price and the best product. Right now there is so much government regulation that it's not possible I like the idea of the co-ops. There are some health co-ops in the US that have been operating succesfully for a hundred years. Use them as a model No one knows how coops would work on a grand scale. I have an electric coop, I can tell you how happy people are with that there. NOT. It's bad enough we can't explain a public plan to people that already think this administration is useless, now explain a coop to those same people.. Not saying it wouldn't work but on a grand scale your talking about just as much work as starting all over. Of course I could be wrong, considering just how confused everything is at this point. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. Left spin. it is far easier to pick up the bill for a 10% chunck of the population than it is to foot the bill for the ENTIRE population... Put some perspective on it... Serve it as a pie and it becomes obvious that MOST people get a good slice... and those that don't get a bit from every other piece. What needs fixin so bad that we must burn the house down to save the furniture. Not a spin, IMO. It's a fact. We usually pick up the bill. Our insurance rates also go up because of it. Our insurance rates also go up because there is no one to stop the insurance companies from making them go up and up and up. The point is you have one view of it, but there are others, I certainly can't just take your view and feel confident that it's correct, not in this atmophere. NO offense meant. 
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Ya' gotta' know somethin's up when one-time Dem. supporters are backin' away from Nationalized Health Care and dropping their support for BHO. What's he and his plan at now? About 45%? It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening.
I have heard that it is not like the news had portrayed it to be at the rallies for the most part. Those few crazies seemed to make the headlines but are not a representation of the majority. Just like Nanci Pelosi! |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. At the same time the uninsured people get a little sick and don't see a doctor because they don't have insurance. Then they get sicker and finally go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more then the doctor. Who picks up the ER bill? We usually do. Left spin. it is far easier to pick up the bill for a 10% chunck of the population than it is to foot the bill for the ENTIRE population... Put some perspective on it... Serve it as a pie and it becomes obvious that MOST people get a good slice... and those that don't get a bit from every other piece. What needs fixin so bad that we must burn the house down to save the furniture. Not a spin, IMO. It's a fact. We usually pick up the bill. Our insurance rates also go up because of it. Our insurance rates also go up because there is no one to stop the insurance companies from making them go up and up and up. The point is you have one view of it, but there are others, I certainly can't just take your view and feel confident that it's correct, not in this atmophere. NO offense meant.
No offense taken.
You are correct too. There is more then one reason. It's a complex issue. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. Money should never be an issue when it comes to saving a life, unless you have your priorities screwed up. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. What is not factual... Our government is in the red. Not spin. If the bill gets passed money will be printed to cover. Money that does not exist. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITHOUT ALL THIS HYPERBOLE. It is also a FACT that more people are covered than are not... 13 trillion to fix a system that is not working ONLY for less than 10% of the population is an OUTRAGE. Money should never be an issue when it comes to saving a life, unless you have your priorities screwed up. Lets take a look at priorities... Population at or arround 300 million. Actuall uninsured... 17 million. so then I must accept less for the 300 million to 'fix' the 17 million? and in the process place the national debt so much further out of range that my grandchildrens great grandchildren will still not be able to shovel out from it? Yeah... Reckon my priorities might be skewed...  
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Lest we forget;
Obama himself admitted during a June town hall event televised by ABC News that one way to cut medical costs would be to stop expensive procedures on people about to die, saying: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller"; |
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