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Take it down to its most basic.
The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. |
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Sun 08/30/09 08:15 PM
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. There was a court case between Fox and 2 of it's regional reporters about a story concerning Monsanto. The judge ruled that any of these news outlets can in fact tell whatever lies that they want to, regardless of how it's presented, because it's their channel. It comes down to the point, where people should not listen to their news and not believe everything they say. Definitely not follow one particular channel, because that has brainwashing side effects and tunnel vision. People need to learn to pick out who is propaganda who isn't and it's not so hard, since real news always should come from a neutral point of view and any news channel shows its real self when they start using smear or show a clear bias towards a party, person or a country. In this case, all the major news networks are already played away their credit, let it be fox or cnn or msnbc and the rest. Also important, that people need to get out of the idea, that there are major sides and they must join in order to disagree or have a personal point of view. GOP or Democrat, it doesn't really matter, if anyone have noticed, while Bush was a president, the majority of the congress was democrat since 2006 and they haven't done a thing. Today, we have a democratic president and a democratic congress and yet nothing has been done about anything. So the solution is to stop listening to left or right propaganda and see that neither of them good or bad and stand on the side line and judge them equally. |
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Lou Dobbs would never lie
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. Well I am not talking about national security here, I am talking about health care public plan mostly, and the lies that have been told deliberately and frankly blatantly. Yet they continue to lie even though many already know the truth. Unfortunately we the people are pretty much isolated from each other, our own doing, and because of that we must rely on news organizations that cater to our own greed and passions and prejudices, and they are not really concerned with our well being but with catering to our divisions so they can stay highly paid. If that made any sense. We the people are screwed basically because we are so divided, we will vote against our own best interest. Example, I can't vote for that because the idea came from the right. Or I can't vote for that because the idea came from the left. I don't care who created the Bill, if it's good it's good, but in our insanity over this president alone, I am not sure anything good will come out of this administration because it can't fight the misinformation and out right lies that taint the atmosphere so bad no one trusts anything. I'm tired now so I am not even sure I am making sense... |
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Lou Dobbs would never lie I liked Dobbs years ago but I think he has let his position go to his head and he's just plan weird now. |
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Lou Dobbs would never lie I liked Dobbs years ago but I think he has let his position go to his head and he's just plan weird now. He needs to offer something different, otherwise he just gonna parrot what others have already said and nobody would care. He is a businessman, just like the rest. |
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Goes to show, as the majority of the people wake up and see the truth about Nationalized Health Care, it doesn't matter how many of our Tax dollars BHO pumps into NBC or CBS. The people aren't stupid or misguided. Pumping Tax dollars? Yes! Where is the public service in the commercial with a sit-com actor, George, I forget his last name. That is a perfect example of spin which doesn't help anyone. In fact most answers so far are spin and not even an answer to my question, except for Winx and Quiet. Thanks, Boo. 
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Edited by
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Sun 08/30/09 09:11 PM
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Bill O'Reilly would never lie
 sorry I couldn't keep a straight face |
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. If a person is caught lying in their regular job, they would most likely be put on probation. If the lying continued, they would be fired. News channels - fine them. But...they might do keep doing it anyway and just accept the fine. The big problem with these lies is that when they are debunked, the fear still remains. Good morning Winx! It's my understanding that the government censors the news anyway...letting them tell some news(their way)or not telling the news! There again, we are only(most of the time)getting only what and how the governments wants us to know! What is the definition of propaganda again? Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Sound familiar? Let me help you out here...does US Government sound about right? JMO Good evening to you. I have to disagree with this: It's my understanding that the government censors the news anyway...letting them tell some news(their way)or not telling the news! It's my understanding that there are some common restrictions such as language and such. I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries. |
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Ya' gotta' know somethin's up when one-time Dem. supporters are backin' away from Nationalized Health Care and dropping their support for BHO. What's he and his plan at now? About 45%? It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening. 
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 08/30/09 09:14 PM
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There was a court case between Fox and 2 of it's regional reporters about a story concerning Monsanto. The judge ruled that any of these news outlets can in fact tell whatever lies that they want to, regardless of how it's presented, because it's their channel.   |
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I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries. there is that we could be in Iran or South Korea |
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I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries. there is that we could be in Iran or South Korea The censorship that they have would be unbearable for me. |
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I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries. there is that we could be in Iran or South Korea The censorship that they have would be unbearable for me. the re-education camps would make it bearable for you |
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I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries. there is that we could be in Iran or South Korea The censorship that they have would be unbearable for me. the re-education camps would make it bearable for you 
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Should there be consequences for distorting facts and misguiding the public in news media, radio, and in our government, etc? This goes for republicans democrats conservatives liberals, third party whom ever. Personally I think so. I should be able to trust what I see and hear in those places. It irritates me to have to fact check for a particular news channel to be sure I am not being lied to. When the news channel can take a set of facts and twist them just slightly to mean exactly the opposite of what it really means that should be punished for causing violence and confusion and bad decisions made by the public and law makers. What should that consequence/punishment be. Does free speech allow of distortion and out right lies? Example: When Senators deliberately lie about something in the health bill and even after being debunked they continue to spread the lie to their base to sway people to go against something. If we censure them, we have to start censuring everyone. I agree at the frustration but it just means we need to do our own homework and check out all the news from different points of view to get some semblence of the truth. Some people do not want to do this much work so they chose one station or side of an issue and stick with it. It means they will be misinformed but they have the right to walk around misinformed if they so choose to. I try to make sure I check all outlets and sides of things for a more balanced view. |
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Take it down to its most basic. The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters. So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not... Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there. However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder... and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth. as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie. Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual. |
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Bill O'Reilly would never lie sorry I couldn't keep a straight face Neither could I
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Ya' gotta' know somethin's up when one-time Dem. supporters are backin' away from Nationalized Health Care and dropping their support for BHO. What's he and his plan at now? About 45%? It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening. I have heard that it is not like the news had portrayed it to be at the rallies for the most part. Those few crazies seemed to make the headlines but are not a representation of the majority. |
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