Take it down to its most basic.

The insurance companies will benefit from a public plan... They will be the underwriters.

So then insurance benefits from if there is a bill or if there is not...

Therefore what IS the underlying reason for this bill at this time... It sure ain't to fix the system... System works but needs some minor changes here and there.

However if the bill is passed MONEY becomes available in many other avenues... and the rich get richer and WE get f'rickeder...

and the left lies to protect their avenues of wealth.

as the right lies so they may have a larger piece of the pie.

Indeed lieing and saying misleading things is not good and yes personaly I believe that there should be some penalty for disception. The problem is who is going to put these penalties into action and how do we determine who is lieing and who is not. Politics is very tricky subject in that so many make promises they can not keep. And every 4 years these promises exchange hands and either nothing is done or these promises get tweeked or totaly disregaurded. In media, ratings are what control what stories they cover and what information they chose to reveal to the general public. So, it becomes your choice to believe everything you hear as the full truth. They will not tell you everything because some things would cause a public uproar. One great example is the CIA...the media is now surfacing and touching on some sinsitive ground. And yes we will not truly know exactly what goes on within the CIA cause of the danger to the general public. (not to mention national security) I could continue to carry on more about other agengies but for this discusion I think I have share more than enough. In conclusion, yes I think it would be a great thing to have the media share the full truth on some topics and others not cover at all knowing that telling half truth will have penalties.

It comes down to the point, where people should not listen to their news and not believe everything they say. Definitely not follow one particular channel, because that has brainwashing side effects and tunnel vision.
People need to learn to pick out who is propaganda who isn't and it's not so hard, since real news always should come from a neutral point of view and any news channel shows its real self when they start using smear or show a clear bias towards a party, person or a country.

In this case, all the major news networks are already played away their credit, let it be fox or cnn or msnbc and the rest.

Also important, that people need to get out of the idea, that there are major sides and they must join in order to disagree or have a personal point of view. GOP or Democrat, it doesn't really matter, if anyone have noticed, while Bush was a president, the majority of the congress was democrat since 2006 and they haven't done a thing.

Today, we have a democratic president and a democratic congress and yet nothing has been done about anything.

So the solution is to stop listening to left or right propaganda and see that neither of them good or bad and stand on the side line and judge them equally.

Lou Dobbs would never lie

Well I am not talking about national security here, I am talking about health care public plan mostly, and the lies that have been told deliberately and frankly blatantly. Yet they continue to lie even though many already know the truth.

Unfortunately we the people are pretty much isolated from each other, our own doing, and because of that we must rely on news organizations that cater to our own greed and passions and prejudices, and they are not really concerned with our well being but with catering to our divisions so they can stay highly paid. If that made any sense.

We the people are screwed basically because we are so divided, we will vote against our own best interest. Example, I can't vote for that because the idea came from the right. Or I can't vote for that because the idea came from the left.

I don't care who created the Bill, if it's good it's good, but in our insanity over this president alone, I am not sure anything good will come out of this administration because it can't fight the misinformation and out right lies that taint the atmosphere so bad no one trusts anything.

I'm tired now so I am not even sure I am making sense...

I liked Dobbs years ago but I think he has let his position go to his head and he's just plan weird now.

He needs to offer something different, otherwise he just gonna parrot what others have already said and nobody would care. He is a businessman, just like the rest.

Thanks, Boo.

Bill O'Reilly would never lie
























sorry

I couldn't keep a straight face

Good evening to you.

I have to disagree with this: It's my understanding that the government censors the news anyway...letting them tell some news(their way)or not telling the news! It's my understanding that there are some common restrictions such as language and such.

I think we get to tell news in a much better way then other countries.

It didn't look that way at the health care rally that I attended this evening.

there is that

we could be in Iran or South Korea

The censorship that they have would be unbearable for me.

the re-education camps would make it bearable for you

If we censure them, we have to start censuring everyone.

I agree at the frustration but it just means we need to do our own homework and check out all the news from different points of view to get some semblence of the truth.

Some people do not want to do this much work so they chose one station or side of an issue and stick with it. It means they will be misinformed but they have the right to walk around misinformed if they so choose to. I try to make sure I check all outlets and sides of things for a more balanced view.

Now you are passing this off as your personal opinion, right? Because it is not factual.

Neither could I

I have heard that it is not like the news had portrayed it to be at the rallies for the most part. Those few crazies seemed to make the headlines but are not a representation of the majority.