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Topic: Act to Stop the Current Health Care Reform
willing2's photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:02 PM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 08/28/09 07:09 PM
Everything the Government runs is eiter broke or is going to be.

Go here to get downloadable petitions and fliers to stop this Bill;
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/handouts.php


August 26, 2009


Dear Friend of Liberty,

Make no mistake: there's a strong, unrelenting push to destroy what remains of private health care in this country.

And now congressional leaders are attempting to overcome their scheme's plunging approval numbers by manipulating Ted Kennedy's death to create support for a “legacy” health care bill.

Our representatives and senators are eager to get back to Washington and away from the tremendous grassroots opposition to health control.

Which means it's time for us to turn up the heat.

Click here to get contact information to write, call, and fax Congress to express your outrage at their plans to finish taking over what remains of private health care. And be sure to sign our "Stop the Government Health Care Scheme" petition.

Health control propagandists claim that we are defending the status quo of a "failed" private sector by opposing their latest scheme.

However, their bill cements the status quo in health care: continuing (and expanding) government intrusion.

Protectionist regulations have decimated competition in health insurance at the local level, and the vast, complex tax code has subsidized employer-provided high cost health care. The FDA, in the name of consumer protection, has restricted the supply of drugs from home and abroad. And individuals are barred from shopping across state lines for health insurance.

Watch this YouTube video to see a ER physician describe how the government obstructs the supply of health services.

Does any of that really sound like the free market at work to you?

Government-manipulated health care is bankrupting this country. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are drowning in tens of trillions of dollars worth of unfunded liabilities and red ink, yet the response from Congress is to propose more 1,000+ page bills that will move our health care system perilously close to other nations' statist care.

You know as well as I that this unfair plan is doomed to be a fiscal nightmare comparable to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and that Congress-created HMOs are notorious for denying care to control spiraling costs.

Our nation has seen enough big government schemes, especially in medicine. President Obama is right about one thing: it's time to take action.

It's time to let the free market work.

Click here for contact information for the House and Senate in order to demand real reform. In addition to contacting your representative and senators, be sure to campaign hard for health freedom at your local townhall meeting.

Urge your representative to fight to allow individuals to shop across state lines for insurance, curb the authority of the FDA to prevent Americans from going outside the country for cheaper medications, and enable individuals to purchase their own health insurance without being taxed for doing so.

Tell Congress to give Americans control over their health care by giving them control over their health care dollar via tax credits and deductions similar to those outlined in Congressman Ron Paul's Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act (HR 1495).

Ask your congressman to protect privacy rights by allowing patients and physicians to opt-out of any government-mandated or funded system of electronic health care records, and to repeal the federal law creating an "unique patient identifier" by adopting the policies contained in Congressman Ron Paul's Protect Patients and Physicians Privacy Act (HR 2630).

In the meantime, we can push for reform of our respective state's competition-destroying mandates on private insurers. These simple, common-sense reforms would immediately alleviate the costs of health care without adding to the exploding national debt.

And if you are able, please donate to Campaign for Liberty today so that we can educate Americans on a true free market health care system and defeat this latest health control scheme.

Don't let the proponents of Obamacare sell you on the notion that we need the government to save us from the mess that government made. Click here to demand that Congress support legitimate health care reform!


In Liberty,


no photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:09 PM
How about the liberty of being free from being bankrupted by medical bills?

It would be great if the private sector provided the health care that we need. But the fact is, it doesn't.

As little government as possible. As much as is necessary.

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:12 PM
Edited by 1956deluxe on Fri 08/28/09 07:15 PM
Hogwash. So you want to eliminate Medicare and Social Security too?? laugh


AndyBgood's photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:15 PM
I hope people understand that the plan Obama is pushing allows the government the ability to automatically deduct from your bank accounts with or WITHOUT your approval.

This is illegal and unconstitutional. Better act now people! This is the most blatant attack on our civil rights yet!

And for those of you who want to give Obama his chance? He done ran himself out already! We do not need this brand of misrepresentation any more!

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:18 PM
laugh Don't forget about the Death Panel. laugh

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Fri 08/28/09 07:22 PM

I hope people understand that the plan Obama is pushing allows the government the ability to automatically deduct from your bank accounts with or WITHOUT your approval.

This is illegal and unconstitutional. Better act now people! This is the most blatant attack on our civil rights yet!

And for those of you who want to give Obama his chance? He done ran himself out already! We do not need this brand of misrepresentation any more!


Another AM radio after midnight listener.


AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:27 PM


I hope people understand that the plan Obama is pushing allows the government the ability to automatically deduct from your bank accounts with or WITHOUT your approval.

This is illegal and unconstitutional. Better act now people! This is the most blatant attack on our civil rights yet!

And for those of you who want to give Obama his chance? He done ran himself out already! We do not need this brand of misrepresentation any more!


Another AM radio after midnight listener.



Wow! rofl
Another bullet from the democratic 'misdirect' list.

If you can't refute... Insult.

If the insult don't fit... Whats next on your list... lie.

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:34 PM
Nonsense going around in emails: More about this here. Politifact.com

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.


no photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:39 PM
The depths that the right wing will stoop to never ceases to amaze me. Kill the bill. That's it. Don't propose anything positive. Bring guns to town hall meetings. Spread lies about "death panels".

The system we have is so perfect. 40 some million UNinsured. Countless more UNDERinsured. More insured who pay premiums and then pay more when they have the audacity to go to a doctor.

And rationed care? You think it's not rationed now? You think an insurance company who's motive is profit over care is on your side?

Public, private or any combination. We can do a lot better.


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Fri 08/28/09 07:45 PM
Edited by boo2u on Fri 08/28/09 07:46 PM

The depths that the right wing will stoop to never ceases to amaze me. Kill the bill. That's it. Don't propose anything positive. Bring guns to town hall meetings. Spread lies about "death panels".

The system we have is so perfect. 40 some million UNinsured. Countless more UNDERinsured. More insured who pay premiums and then pay more when they have the audacity to go to a doctor.

And rationed care? You think it's not rationed now? You think an insurance company who's motive is profit over care is on your side?

Public, private or any combination. We can do a lot better.


flowerforyou Only thing is that it appears we have a few on the left that would kill this as well, and for the same reasons the right want it shut down.

AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 08/28/09 07:55 PM
The medical system we have is what it is.

The problem is not the medical system.

It is the system of spending we allow
Greed run rampant and sometimes without even the semblance of a blush...

Fix that first or your medical dreams will be only smoke as the substance goes to feed the bloated spider of our government.

Quietman_2009's photo
Fri 08/28/09 10:27 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Fri 08/28/09 10:27 PM
sorry I can't protest today

I have a doctor's appointment

Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 10:57 PM

Nonsense going around in emails: More about this here. Politifact.com

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.





But that makes too much sense, Boo.laugh

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 08/28/09 11:10 PM


Nonsense going around in emails: More about this here. Politifact.com

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.





But that makes too much sense, Boo.laugh


Think so?? REALLY? YOU TRUST POLITICIANS TO PLAY FAIR AND NOT TAKE THIS TO MEAN THEY GET TO TAKE MONEY FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT???


God that is blindness if I ever seen it.

I also suppose the thing with the Fed claiming your computer as theirs when you log on to certain sites like Cars.gov to be fictitious too?

Eghad!noway

Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 11:12 PM



Nonsense going around in emails: More about this here. Politifact.com

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.





But that makes too much sense, Boo.laugh


Think so?? REALLY? YOU TRUST POLITICIANS TO PLAY FAIR AND NOT TAKE THIS TO MEAN THEY GET TO TAKE MONEY FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT???


God that is blindness if I ever seen it.

I also suppose the thing with the Fed claiming your computer as theirs when you log on to certain sites like Cars.gov to be fictitious too?

Eghad!noway


I see quite well, thank you.:wink:

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Sat 08/29/09 12:23 AM
What is bankrupting the system is that the majority of Americans could not pass a basic first aid course and or health class before or since they have graduated high school. If they have a chronic illness there is little or no patient education.

What is bankrupting the system is that many of the diagnotics tests and medications that are available over the counter in other countries for free are not available here.

What is bankrupting the system is patients do not own their medical records and many tests are repeated unneccisarily or not available for comparison. We have the technology that we could provide everyone a records "smart card".

What is bankrupting the system is that seeing a doctor is so difficult and so expensive for basic maintenace and preventive care that millions of minor problems go untreated and escalate to catesrophic care needs.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of people who are NOT covered or not covered ENOUGH when serious medical care is needed and they must provide it.

What is also bankrutping the system is the number of procedures that are required to prevent malpractice from tests, to paper work, to micro-management.

What is bankrupting the system is the ridiculouse out of date training and staffing rules that exhaust doctors and nurseing staff and force them into trying to cover up incompetents and just plain mistakes and accidents, and no win outcomes.

What is bankrupting the system is the turfing of prisoners, mental health patients, and dependent and abused seniors into ER's and beds because those care systems are broken and families can not provide the needed level of care with little or no support.

What is bankrupting the system is the antiquated medication and record keeping in many of the facilities in this country that allow for extensive mistakes, waste, incompetency, and terrible service statistics, and tax write offs. If it were any other industry it would be swamped with litigation.

The Insurance industry has made it so the "litigation" of legitimate claims that would get rid of grossly incompetent staff, procedures, and waiting times and layers of beauracy that cost millions in not only dollars but lives.

What is bankrupting the System is believeing that a state medical care system will prevent those who want private care and are willing to pay for it can't get it. People who have money go around their insurer's all the time but people who don't have money are lucky to get any care if they go outside of their insurer.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of costs that keep being pushed off on paying patients because some Doctors and facilities try to be fair and save uninsured lives.

What is bankrupting the system is the first payor requirement that creates a mountain of paper work with in the state systems even when patients clearly can not pay. The whole collection procedure is terribly expensive. Medical bankruptcies are the leading cause of a really wasteful procedure for our court systems. The people getting the care get nothing out of it.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of addicts that get little or no effective treatment until their bodies are ravaged requireing millions in sophisticated care. Not to mention the other costs to the economy.

What is bankrupting the system is many of the jobs that are being created by this broken system are out sourced to foreign employment that tax payers are having to pay for and see no returned income.

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 08/29/09 12:25 AM

What is bankrupting the system is that the majority of Americans could not pass a basic first aid course and or health class before or since they have graduated high school. If they have a chronic illness there is little or no patient education.

What is bankrupting the system is that many of the diagnotics tests and medications that are available over the counter in other countries for free are not available here.

What is bankrupting the system is patients do not own their medical records and many tests are repeated unneccisarily or not available for comparison. We have the technology that we could provide everyone a records "smart card".

What is bankrupting the system is that seeing a doctor is so difficult and so expensive for basic maintenace and preventive care that millions of minor problems go untreated and escalate to catesrophic care needs.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of people who are NOT covered or not covered ENOUGH when serious medical care is needed and they must provide it.

What is also bankrutping the system is the number of procedures that are required to prevent malpractice from tests, to paper work, to micro-management.

What is bankrupting the system is the ridiculouse out of date training and staffing rules that exhaust doctors and nurseing staff and force them into trying to cover up incompetents and just plain mistakes and accidents, and no win outcomes.

What is bankrupting the system is the turfing of prisoners, mental health patients, and dependent and abused seniors into ER's and beds because those care systems are broken and families can not provide the needed level of care with little or no support.

What is bankrupting the system is the antiquated medication and record keeping in many of the facilities in this country that allow for extensive mistakes, waste, incompetency, and terrible service statistics, and tax write offs. If it were any other industry it would be swamped with litigation.

The Insurance industry has made it so the "litigation" of legitimate claims that would get rid of grossly incompetent staff, procedures, and waiting times and layers of beauracy that cost millions in not only dollars but lives.

What is bankrupting the System is believeing that a state medical care system will prevent those who want private care and are willing to pay for it can't get it. People who have money go around their insurer's all the time but people who don't have money are lucky to get any care if they go outside of their insurer.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of costs that keep being pushed off on paying patients because some Doctors and facilities try to be fair and save uninsured lives.

What is bankrupting the system is the first payor requirement that creates a mountain of paper work with in the state systems even when patients clearly can not pay. The whole collection procedure is terribly expensive. Medical bankruptcies are the leading cause of a really wasteful procedure for our court systems. The people getting the care get nothing out of it.

What is bankrupting the system is the number of addicts that get little or no effective treatment until their bodies are ravaged requireing millions in sophisticated care. Not to mention the other costs to the economy.

What is bankrupting the system is many of the jobs that are being created by this broken system are out sourced to foreign employment that tax payers are having to pay for and see no returned income.



DAMN STRAIGHT!drinker

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Sat 08/29/09 12:25 AM
Why is it that this thing called "the government" is deemed incapable of running any kind of program whatsoever in any manner which is even remotely competent, but somehow is capable of operating some grand conspiracy to take over your life and dictate to you everything that you do? It's after midnight. I'll go turn on AM and find out the answer.


AndyBgood's photo
Sat 08/29/09 12:35 AM

Why is it that this thing called "the government" is deemed incapable of running any kind of program whatsoever in any manner which is even remotely competent, but somehow is capable of operating some grand conspiracy to take over your life and dictate to you everything that you do? It's after midnight. I'll go turn on AM and find out the answer.




LET US TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY!


Bureau of Indian Affairs

NASA

Prohibition

Affirmative Action

Homeland Security

TSA

Social Security

Domestic Energy Policy

FEMA

Bill Clinton giving our Patent Data Base to China

Department of Education

Shall I continue with the list of Failures?

I suppose our Government can do everything including run our lives better than us?

Why don't you star in your own AM late night radio show!

I'll stick with You Tube thank you!


tongue2

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Sat 08/29/09 05:04 AM
Jimmy the gent your cool and I agree with everything you say. Health care as well as stopping illegals in this country need to happen for the amercian people. We are the silent majority and are not longer silent and we vote.

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