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Topic: (H.R. 3200) will allow illegal aliens to access taxpayer-fun
willing2's photo
Tue 08/25/09 10:49 AM
The truth is that the House health reform bill (H.R. 3200) will allow illegal aliens to access taxpayer-funded health insurance benefits.

President Obama stated: "This has been an example of just pure misinformation out there. None of the bills that have been voted on in Congress, and none of the proposals coming out of the White House propose giving coverage to illegal immigrants — none of them."

This would leave people with the perception that illegal aliens have no way of receiving coverage under the House bill at all.

The loophole arises because the bill fails to include eligibility verification screening that would effectively preclude coverage for illegal aliens. Illegal aliens will be allowed to exploit this loophole in order to obtain taxpayer-funded health insurance benefits. From the American taxpayer's perspective, this is a distinction without a difference.

At the Ways & Means Committee markup of the House bill, Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) tried to include an eligibility verification process, using existing government databases, to screen applicants' eligibility for the public plan and the affordability credit. His amendment was defeated at the committee on a party-line vote.


Obama Denies Existence of Health Care Loophole for Illegal Aliens
Last Thursday, President Obama appeared on the Michael Smerconish radio show and stated that none of the health care bills in Washington D.C. would give illegal aliens taxpayer-funded health care. (Politics Daily, August 20, 2009). The truth is that the House health reform bill (H.R. 3200) will allow illegal aliens to access taxpayer-funded health insurance benefits. (See FAIR's Legislative Updates, July 20, 2009, July 27, 2009, August 3, 2009 and August 17, 2009).

When pressed by a caller to Smerconish's radio show, President Obama suggested that organizations that correctly explain the illegal alien coverage loophole are spreading misinformation. President Obama stated: "This has been an example of just pure misinformation out there. None of the bills that have been voted on in Congress, and none of the proposals coming out of the White House propose giving coverage to illegal immigrants — none of them." (Politics Daily, emphasis added). Clearly, he chose these words very carefully so that they suggest one thing, but mean another.

The President suggests none of the bills, including the House bill, affirmatively grant coverage to illegal aliens. This would leave people with the perception that illegal aliens have no way of receiving coverage under the House bill at all. That perception is wrong. FAIR was the first organization to explain how illegal aliens will obtain coverage, not by an affirmative grant, but by a loophole contained in the House bill. That loophole arises because the bill fails to include eligibility verification screening that would effectively preclude coverage for illegal aliens. As FAIR has consistently pointed out, illegal aliens will be allowed to exploit this loophole in order to obtain taxpayer-funded health insurance benefits. From the American taxpayer's perspective, this is a distinction without a difference.

In essence, the bill creates nothing more than an "honors system" to prevent taxpayer-provided coverage for illegal aliens. The only thing that will prevent an illegal alien from receiving benefits under the House bill is to have the illegal alien decide to forego applying for those benefits. At the Ways & Means Committee markup of the House bill, Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) tried to include an eligibility verification process, using existing government databases, to screen applicants' eligibility for the public plan and the affordability credit. His amendment was defeated at the committee on a party-line vote. (See FAIR's Legislative Update, July 27, 2009).

President Obama has also mistakenly commented that no one has suggested that illegal aliens should receive taxpayer-funded health benefits.

The President's statement in this regard is incorrect.

members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) in the House of Representatives, the National Council of La Raza and even some big business interests, such as Wal-Mart, have suggested, and in some cases demanded, taxpayer-funded coverage for illegal aliens.

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Tue 08/25/09 04:20 PM
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Logan1976's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:29 PM
Thats why he keeps saying there are 46 million "people" in America without health insurance. Notice he does not say "US citizens". It does'nt matter now who you are you get health care and treatment even if you cant pay for it. Thats good none of us want people to be sick or suffer. However as an American I do not have the "Right" to health insurance so why should some illeagal alien from Australia have that "right" here?

Winx's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:40 PM



False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/

Winx's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:42 PM

Thats why he keeps saying there are 46 million "people" in America without health insurance. Notice he does not say "US citizens". It does'nt matter now who you are you get health care and treatment even if you cant pay for it. Thats good none of us want people to be sick or suffer. However as an American I do not have the "Right" to health insurance so why should some illeagal alien from Australia have that "right" here?


About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

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Tue 08/25/09 04:43 PM




False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

Winx's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:45 PM





False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.


You still get the bill.

willing2's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:47 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 08/25/09 04:48 PM





False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

You're right.
Illegals are not asked for their status and get health care we pay for.
The stats are all over the internet.
I trust no information that comes out of obama.com

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 08/25/09 05:09 PM
FWIW, factcheck has been declining in reliability for the last several years. May want to get this verified somewhere else, too.


False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/

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Tue 08/25/09 06:10 PM






False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

You're right.
Illegals are not asked for their status and get health care we pay for.
The stats are all over the internet.
I trust no information that comes out of obama.com



Going to the hospital is not the same thing, as americans I would be ashamed of our country if we turned away a sick human being. You are wrong about the bill.

no photo
Tue 08/25/09 06:10 PM

FWIW, factcheck has been declining in reliability for the last several years. May want to get this verified somewhere else, too.


False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/



Good try but you can get the facts in many different places.

willing2's photo
Wed 08/26/09 12:46 AM
Trust it.
The Illegal gets care through hospitals and clinics. They only have to prove they have an address.
I would be more supportive if Legal US residence were mandatory.
Sure, if they are sick, give them care then, deport them.

no photo
Wed 08/26/09 07:52 AM
That house bill state very clearly that there will be


Committees to determine eligibility of services......

Abortions?
Illegals?

These ,yet, unnamed, unelected persons on the committee can "Rule" any way the like...and it is binding...

Do not believe that this bill excludes anyone or any "service"....

Giocamo's photo
Wed 08/26/09 08:18 AM







False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

You're right.
Illegals are not asked for their status and get health care we pay for.
The stats are all over the internet.
I trust no information that comes out of obama.com



Going to the hospital is not the same thing, as americans I would be ashamed of our country if we turned away a sick human being. You are wrong about the bill.


I wouldn't turn them away...I'd just send them back to Mexico...where they came from...they have no business accessing anything in this country if they're illegal...

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Wed 08/26/09 08:25 AM








False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

You're right.
Illegals are not asked for their status and get health care we pay for.
The stats are all over the internet.
I trust no information that comes out of obama.com



Going to the hospital is not the same thing, as americans I would be ashamed of our country if we turned away a sick human being. You are wrong about the bill.


I wouldn't turn them away...I'd just send them back to Mexico...where they came from...they have no business accessing anything in this country if they're illegal...


That makes no sense. You say you wouldn't turn them away? You are turning them away of you send them back to mexico. Hope the hell you don't visit another country and get sick. Hopefully they won't be a selfish as that.

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Wed 08/26/09 08:54 AM

That makes no sense. You say you wouldn't turn them away? You are turning them away of you send them back to mexico. Hope the hell you don't visit another country and get sick. Hopefully they won't be a selfish as that.


Just as a point of reference. "Visiting" another country and "Immigrating illegally" are 2 completely different things.

AGoodGuy1026's photo
Wed 08/26/09 08:58 AM
soulution = national sales tax, and elimination of revenue based taxes...

everyone pays. period. move along to the next problem~!

franshade's photo
Wed 08/26/09 08:58 AM

Trust it.
The Illegal gets care through hospitals and clinics. They only have to prove they have an address.
I would be more supportive if Legal US residence were mandatory.
Sure, if they are sick, give them care then, deport them.


how can I become an illegal, I don't want to pay for insurance, free travel (deportation) heck I can see the world this way :laughing:

Giocamo's photo
Wed 08/26/09 09:27 AM









False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/
If you are sick and you go to the ER they take care of you no matter what. I know I have been there done that.

You're right.
Illegals are not asked for their status and get health care we pay for.
The stats are all over the internet.
I trust no information that comes out of obama.com



Going to the hospital is not the same thing, as americans I would be ashamed of our country if we turned away a sick human being. You are wrong about the bill.


I wouldn't turn them away...I'd just send them back to Mexico...where they came from...they have no business accessing anything in this country if they're illegal...


That makes no sense. You say you wouldn't turn them away? You are turning them away of you send them back to mexico. Hope the hell you don't visit another country and get sick. Hopefully they won't be a selfish as that.


ohhhhhhhhhhhhh...I see...they were visiting our great country...I thought they snuck in during the dead of night...illegaly...my error...:smile:

InvictusV's photo
Wed 08/26/09 09:43 AM
You don't think amnesty is going to happen in the next year or so?

You are dreaming if you think it isn't..

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