Topic: Would we be technologically ahead or behind
Abracadabra's photo
Sun 08/23/09 09:07 PM



If they want to be against science the least they can do is own up to the truth. No need to lie about it.



But lying is what religion does best!!! tears


I know, and that's what makes it so despicable.

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Sun 08/23/09 09:08 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 08/23/09 09:10 PM


during the dark ages
the dark ages were only in europe



So?

When science finally took off like a rocket, where was the launching pad?


Baghdad actually

where do you think Galilleo got his telescope?

Michelangelo learned domed architecture from the Muslims

the math and engineering principles that DaVinci used was invented by Arabians

the "renaissance" was just Europeans adopting previously discovered stuff from the Arabians

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Sun 08/23/09 09:34 PM
This is interesting and very good information. Something to stick your teeth into. Something to learn about. I still disagree but yet i am not up on these discoveries brought out. I may be wrong but yet I still believe that knowledge has been given man as is prophisied and it is not actually man who is discovering this but his mind being opened as Prophecy of Daniel predicted just like the graph shows for the last 100+ years.

That prophecy has been very clear for 1000's of years would happen and noone can dispute we have been in a knowledge explosion of which just blows away all of known knowledge since man has been alive.

Yet seeing these is very thought provoking and I look foward to more discoveries that without this thread i would never of heard of I am sure. For where does one learn something he has no idea where to start. So thank you. I need to do some real searching I can see that. Thanks Abra and everyone else.. Shalom...Miles

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Sun 08/23/09 11:44 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Sun 08/23/09 11:46 PM

during the dark ages
the "renaissance" was just Europeans adopting previously discovered stuff from the Arabians


I don't doubt that at all.

None the less they are still the ones who 'took off' with it.

I mean, let's face it. If the Arabs had taken off with it they would be the high-tech countries and Europe (and the USA) would be desperately trying to catch up with the Arabs rather than the other way around.

Clearly, whilst the Arabs may have had the foundation they didn't take off with it (for whatever reasons). In fact, the reason may well have been related to their religion which is actually an offshoot of the same religion that gave rise to Christanity.

Surely you're not going to deny the fact that it was the Christians who destroyed the library of Alexandia and ran a holy terror of the crusades, and witch burnings? Those are all well-documented events.

Even so. It seems ridiculous to argue that Christianity supports science when even today it argues against evolution and stem cell research.


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Mon 08/24/09 07:26 AM
of course Galilleo was persecuted by the church for his research

DaVinci had to flee the country to avoid persecution

and those very crusades were what retarded the Arabian advance

instead of blaming religion in general I would blame the catholic church specifically

almost all of their dogma and rules were only a pretense to consolidate power and wealth

I've read that the crusades came as a result of too many young "knights" roaming the countryside terrorizing the villagers so the pope had to find something for them to do to get rid of them.

read about the "sack of Constantinople" even the crusaders allies werent safe from them

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Mon 08/24/09 12:11 PM


Would we be technologically ahead or behind if religion did or didn't existed.

Some say that religion is the reason why we aren't landing people on Mars yet. Other says we would already have discovered warp drive and flew to other galaxies by now already.

Some say we would still live like cave men if religion wasn't a part of our lives.

What do you believe to be true?


We use 15% of our brains if we're lucky. I've an IQ of 140 - so I probably don't use that much (especially since this last bike wreck). Tower of Babel - religion-fueled or not?


Somehow I doubt you have an I.Q. of 140. If you did, you should know we use 100% of our brain.

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Mon 08/24/09 12:14 PM

I don't know what part of history some folks have been reading, but from what I can tell religion does everything it can to maintain the status quo. That's it job, to make people frightened of things they don't understand so they have to come back next Sunday and see how God supposedly saved them.

Look, Science is about advancement, forward motion, testing and retesting the boundries of what we know.

Religion is a hard set of beliefs that is unchanging, unmoving, and quite frankly flies in the face of all science at every turn.


I live in Kansas and we don't even teach evolution anymore in our schools. We are actually losing intellegence in this state. Why? Because religious leaders decided that "intellegent design" is a better explenation of how the earth came into exhistance, 5000 years ago.

Please, religion works for the advancement of science and medicine, what are you smoking some California medicine or something? Because of religion those who tried to perform autopsies were persecuted in the 1400s. How long did the study of anatomy retreat? The ancient Greeks knew of it, almost all of societies of the dark ages didn't. The plague's simple cure of lancing the boils wasn't even allowed at first because it was learned from the heathen Moors.

Medicines and potions were considered alchemy, the work of satan and witchcraft. Like all good tyranical things religion's first contact will always be "kill it, it's not like us." Ask a native American, pick a continent north or south it doesn't matter.


amen, brother.
errr.... I mean good post!

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Mon 08/24/09 12:15 PM
if you consider government a religion(which I do), then yes religion impedes us and harms us as a species.

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Mon 08/24/09 12:21 PM


A closer look at History would reveal that without religion, we wouldn't have modern medicine, schools, nor most of the sciece e have today.

Those who say what you've said above demonstrate a true ignorance themselves.


I beg to differ. I suggest that what you are referring to is actually false upon closer examination.

Whilst it's true that many of the great discoveries of science may have been done in religious a religious atmosphere it would actually be quite false to claim that religion was responsible for the work of those scientists.

For example, Gegor Mendel was actually a Christian Monk and did all of his work on genetics in a monestary. Yet, his work was totally dimissed by the Christian community of his time and wasn't rediscovered until about 30 years after he died.

Moreover, the only reason it might appear that religion was involved at all was because religion ruled as an integral part of the government.

But clearly religion was not promoting science. On the contary just look what they did to people lik Copernicus, Galileo, and even Isaac Newtown was truly supressed in many ways and had to do all his 'alchemy experiements' in secret. To hide them from the religious authorities.

So to claim that religion was helpful in any of this is utter nonsense, IMHO.

Even to this very day religion denounces evolution, and stem cell research.

Let's get real here?

I'm mean, I'm only voicing my opinion here, but I think if anyone takes a serious look at history with an open mind they'll have to see the truth of this.

Just look at what happened at the library of Alexanderia in the name of Christiantity.

Horrible stuff.

I hold that we would have been far better off without religion just like the graph shows that I posted previouisly.



True that. The great Library of Alexandria is one of my pet peeves. It was destroyed by good christians in part for postulating such things as:
Humans are animals, just more advanced than other animals.
Women should be treated as equals.
Slavery was wrong.
The Earth goes around the sun.
The Earth is round.

All things contrary to popular christian belief, at least at that time.

With out religion, we'd be one people, from one planet, and going to the stars by now.

Katzenschnauzer's photo
Mon 08/24/09 12:24 PM

if you consider government a religion(which I do), then yes religion impedes us and harms us as a species.


Ya know what? I'm not going to get crazy anymore. My hands are in the air with palms facing out. You dangerously march to another drummer and trying to talk sense with you is foolhearty. I've seen your other political posts, not to mention others, and you have some radically negative views on many issues. I'm belly up.

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Mon 08/24/09 12:32 PM







but that leaves out the Islamic world and China

scientific advancement continued unabated there


during the dark ages

in Arabia,

Ibn al-Haytham published his Book of Optics. he is also regarded as the father of optics, especially for his empirical proof of the intromission theory of light. and the creator of "the scientific method"

Muslim chemists and alchemists played an important role in the foundation of modern chemistry. Scholars such as Will Durant and Alexander von Humboldt regard Muslim chemists to be founders of chemistry

According to Fielding H. Garrison, the "Saracens themselves were the originators not only of algebra, chemistry, and geology, but of many of the so-called improvements or refinements of civilization"

In mathematics, Al-Khwarizmi gave his name to the concept of the algorithm, while the term algebra is derived from his publication Al-Jabr. He was the first to recognize algebra as a distinct field of mathematics.




the dark ages were only in europe



True that. However, Archimdes invented calculous in Greece. Christianity suppressed that knowledge, not with intent but the effect was the same. It wasn't dicovered again for something like another 1800 yrs or so.
While some Muslims were making great strides in science, at least some of what they discovered had been discovered previously in other cvivilizations and suppressed by religion.
Not to mention, Europe tried it's best to suppress any knowledge coming out Arabia, Muslims being heathens and all.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 08/24/09 12:34 PM


if you consider government a religion(which I do), then yes religion impedes us and harms us as a species.


Ya know what? I'm not going to get crazy anymore. My hands are in the air with palms facing out. You dangerously march to another drummer and trying to talk sense with you is foolhearty. I've seen your other political posts, not to mention others, and you have some radically negative views on many issues. I'm belly up.


Since you can't logically refute me, the best choice is to ignore me. :smile:

Eljay's photo
Mon 08/24/09 01:43 PM


A closer look at History would reveal that without religion, we wouldn't have modern medicine, schools, nor most of the sciece e have today.

Those who say what you've said above demonstrate a true ignorance themselves.


I beg to differ. I suggest that what you are referring to is actually false upon closer examination.

Whilst it's true that many of the great discoveries of science may have been done in religious a religious atmosphere it would actually be quite false to claim that religion was responsible for the work of those scientists.

For example, Gegor Mendel was actually a Christian Monk and did all of his work on genetics in a monestary. Yet, his work was totally dimissed by the Christian community of his time and wasn't rediscovered until about 30 years after he died.

Moreover, the only reason it might appear that religion was involved at all was because religion ruled as an integral part of the government.

But clearly religion was not promoting science. On the contary just look what they did to people lik Copernicus, Galileo, and even Isaac Newtown was truly supressed in many ways and had to do all his 'alchemy experiements' in secret. To hide them from the religious authorities.

So to claim that religion was helpful in any of this is utter nonsense, IMHO.

Even to this very day religion denounces evolution, and stem cell research.

Let's get real here?

I'm mean, I'm only voicing my opinion here, but I think if anyone takes a serious look at history with an open mind they'll have to see the truth of this.

Just look at what happened at the library of Alexanderia in the name of Christiantity.

Horrible stuff.

I hold that we would have been far better off without religion just like the graph shows that I posted previouisly.


Abra;
As with most - if not all of the threads here - the arguments fall short due to the wide interpretation of semantics. The poster says "religion", and you interpret that as Christianity. I see "Evolution" in that general term, and in doing so - I can agree with all you say. Most of the greatest inventions/discoveries pre-20th century were certainly effected by religion, as were just about all things. Without Christainity - who discovers America? Who can say. We just don't know - but what we do know - is that America was discovered by Columbus - who's purpose was to spread Christianity throughout the world. Penicillian was discovered by a devout Christian believer - but does that represent religion? Hardly.

The original post is impossible to "argue" based on any relevant data, as the term "religion" has a different meaning for everyone who posts here.

So - I'll leave it at that. There's just no way to determine if there's a right or wrong here.

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Mon 08/24/09 02:34 PM


Would we be technologically ahead or behind if religion did or didn't existed.

Some say that religion is the reason why we aren't landing people on Mars yet. Other says we would already have discovered warp drive and flew to other galaxies by now already.

Some say we would still live like cave men if religion wasn't a part of our lives.

What do you believe to be true?


A closer look at History would reveal that without religion, we wouldn't have modern medicine, schools, nor most of the sciece e have today.

Those who say what you've said above demonstrate a true ignorance themselves.


History only shows what happenned not what might have been if history had been different.

We might be more advance or less nobody will ever knows.

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Mon 08/24/09 02:47 PM
Edited by RoamingOrator on Mon 08/24/09 02:48 PM


True that. The great Library of Alexandria is one of my pet peeves. It was destroyed by good christians in part for postulating such things as:
Humans are animals, just more advanced than other animals.
Women should be treated as equals.
Slavery was wrong.
The Earth goes around the sun.
The Earth is round.

All things contrary to popular christian belief, at least at that time.

With out religion, we'd be one people, from one planet, and going to the stars by now.


Now my history might be a little rusty, so forgive me, but it seems to me the Christians did not burn the Library at Alexandra. If I remember my Roman history correctly, and again correct me if I'm wrong, the Roman army accidently set fire to the city of Alexandra when Julius Ceasers boy Marc Anthony just had to go and get Cleopatra. Now considering that Marc Anthony was killed by the Romans around 38 B.C. I'm pretty sure that Christianity wasn't invented yet.

No, it was lust under the watchful eyes of Apollo or someone like that which cost us the greatest treasure of knowledge ever assembled.

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Tue 08/25/09 12:28 AM



True that. The great Library of Alexandria is one of my pet peeves. It was destroyed by good christians in part for postulating such things as:
Humans are animals, just more advanced than other animals.
Women should be treated as equals.
Slavery was wrong.
The Earth goes around the sun.
The Earth is round.

All things contrary to popular christian belief, at least at that time.

With out religion, we'd be one people, from one planet, and going to the stars by now.


Now my history might be a little rusty, so forgive me, but it seems to me the Christians did not burn the Library at Alexandra. If I remember my Roman history correctly, and again correct me if I'm wrong, the Roman army accidently set fire to the city of Alexandra when Julius Ceasers boy Marc Anthony just had to go and get Cleopatra. Now considering that Marc Anthony was killed by the Romans around 38 B.C. I'm pretty sure that Christianity wasn't invented yet.

No, it was lust under the watchful eyes of Apollo or someone like that which cost us the greatest treasure of knowledge ever assembled.


ok, you're a little rusty. The Library was destroyed in 302ad. Well....I suppose it is possible the Romans set fire to it 340 yrs previously, if so, I've not heard of it. In any case, it was the christians who destroyed it utterly. It was still in use right up till then.
In fact, one of my favorite horror stories about christianity comes from that event. Hypatia, a female(gasp) scientist, on her way to work at the Library, was attacked by a rabid mob of christians. They took her from her carridge, stipped her of her clothes in a public square, then flayed the flesh off her bones with seashells. All because, as a woman, she dared to be a scientist.

Ain't religion grande?

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Tue 08/25/09 12:33 AM



A closer look at History would reveal that without religion, we wouldn't have modern medicine, schools, nor most of the sciece e have today.

Those who say what you've said above demonstrate a true ignorance themselves.


I beg to differ. I suggest that what you are referring to is actually false upon closer examination.

Whilst it's true that many of the great discoveries of science may have been done in religious a religious atmosphere it would actually be quite false to claim that religion was responsible for the work of those scientists.

For example, Gegor Mendel was actually a Christian Monk and did all of his work on genetics in a monestary. Yet, his work was totally dimissed by the Christian community of his time and wasn't rediscovered until about 30 years after he died.

Moreover, the only reason it might appear that religion was involved at all was because religion ruled as an integral part of the government.

But clearly religion was not promoting science. On the contary just look what they did to people lik Copernicus, Galileo, and even Isaac Newtown was truly supressed in many ways and had to do all his 'alchemy experiements' in secret. To hide them from the religious authorities.

So to claim that religion was helpful in any of this is utter nonsense, IMHO.

Even to this very day religion denounces evolution, and stem cell research.

Let's get real here?

I'm mean, I'm only voicing my opinion here, but I think if anyone takes a serious look at history with an open mind they'll have to see the truth of this.

Just look at what happened at the library of Alexanderia in the name of Christiantity.

Horrible stuff.

I hold that we would have been far better off without religion just like the graph shows that I posted previouisly.


Abra;
As with most - if not all of the threads here - the arguments fall short due to the wide interpretation of semantics. The poster says "religion", and you interpret that as Christianity. I see "Evolution" in that general term, and in doing so - I can agree with all you say. Most of the greatest inventions/discoveries pre-20th century were certainly effected by religion, as were just about all things. Without Christainity - who discovers America? Who can say. We just don't know - but what we do know - is that America was discovered by Columbus - who's purpose was to spread Christianity throughout the world. Penicillian was discovered by a devout Christian believer - but does that represent religion? Hardly.

The original post is impossible to "argue" based on any relevant data, as the term "religion" has a different meaning for everyone who posts here.

So - I'll leave it at that. There's just no way to determine if there's a right or wrong here.


Actually, the spice trade was the biggest factor in "discovering" America. If Columbus hadn't done it, someone else would've. There was a big push to find a cheaper way to the Far East. "Spreading Christianity", as you say, was more of an excuse, than a cause.

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Tue 08/25/09 06:25 AM




True that. The great Library of Alexandria is one of my pet peeves. It was destroyed by good christians in part for postulating such things as:
Humans are animals, just more advanced than other animals.
Women should be treated as equals.
Slavery was wrong.
The Earth goes around the sun.
The Earth is round.

All things contrary to popular christian belief, at least at that time.

With out religion, we'd be one people, from one planet, and going to the stars by now.


Now my history might be a little rusty, so forgive me, but it seems to me the Christians did not burn the Library at Alexandra. If I remember my Roman history correctly, and again correct me if I'm wrong, the Roman army accidently set fire to the city of Alexandra when Julius Ceasers boy Marc Anthony just had to go and get Cleopatra. Now considering that Marc Anthony was killed by the Romans around 38 B.C. I'm pretty sure that Christianity wasn't invented yet.

No, it was lust under the watchful eyes of Apollo or someone like that which cost us the greatest treasure of knowledge ever assembled.


ok, you're a little rusty. The Library was destroyed in 302ad. Well....I suppose it is possible the Romans set fire to it 340 yrs previously, if so, I've not heard of it. In any case, it was the christians who destroyed it utterly. It was still in use right up till then.
In fact, one of my favorite horror stories about christianity comes from that event. Hypatia, a female(gasp) scientist, on her way to work at the Library, was attacked by a rabid mob of christians. They took her from her carridge, stipped her of her clothes in a public square, then flayed the flesh off her bones with seashells. All because, as a woman, she dared to be a scientist.

Ain't religion grande?


I looked it up, there are three stories of the destruction of the library.


The first person blamed for the destruction of the Library is none other than Julius Caesar himself. In 48 BC, Caesar was pursuing Pompey into Egypt when he was suddenly cut off by an Egyptian fleet at Alexandria. Greatly outnumbered and in enemy territory, Caesar ordered the ships in the harbor to be set on fire. The fire spread and destroyed the Egyptian fleet. Unfortunately, it also burned down part of the city - the area where the great Library stood. Caesar wrote of starting the fire in the harbor but neglected to mention the burning of the Library. Such an omission proves little since he was not in the habit of including unflattering facts while writing his own history. But Caesar was not without public detractors. If he was solely to blame for the disappearance of the Library it is very likely significant documentation on the affair would exist today.

The second story of the Library's destruction is more popular, thanks primarily to Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". But the story is also a tad more complex. Theophilus was Patriarch of Alexandria from 385 to 412 AD. During his reign the Temple of Serapis was converted into a Christian Church (probably around 391 AD) and it is likely that many documents were destroyed then. The Temple of Serapis was estimated to hold about ten percent of the overall Library of Alexandria's holdings. After his death, his nephew Cyril became Patriarch. Shortly after that, riots broke out when Hierax, a Christian monk, was publicly killed by order of Orestes the city Prefect. Orestes was said to be under the influence of Hypatia, a female philosopher and daughter of the "last member of the Library of Alexandria". Although it should be noted that some count Hypatia herself as the last Head Librarian.

Alexandria had long been known for it's violent and volatile politics. Christians, Jews and Pagans all lived together in the city. One ancient writer claimed that there was no people who loved a fight more than those of Alexandria. Immediately after the death of Hierax a group of Jews who had helped instigate his killing lured more Christians into the street at night by proclaiming that the Church was on fire. When the Christians rushed out the largely Jewish mob slew many of them. After this there was mass havoc as Christians retaliated against both the Jews and the Pagans - one of which was Hypatia. The story varies slightly depending upon who tells it but she was taken by the Christians, dragged through the streets and murdered.

Some regard the death of Hypatia as the final destruction of the Library. Others blame Theophilus for destroying the last of the scrolls when he razed the Temple of Serapis prior to making it a Christian church. Still others have confused both incidents and blamed Theophilus for simultaneously murdering Hypatia and destroying the Library though it is obvious Theophilus died sometime prior to Hypatia.

The final individual to get blamed for the destruction is the Moslem Caliph Omar. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." So, allegedly, all the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for the bathhouses of the city. Even then it was said to have taken six months to burn all the documents. But these details, from the Caliph's quote to the incredulous six months it supposedly took to burn all the books, weren't written down until 300 years after the fact. These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.

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Tue 08/25/09 06:54 AM
In the end much was destroyed and much was lost. What ashame for it would have been interesting to see what this massive library had to offer for everyone.


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Tue 08/25/09 10:01 AM
Edited by Arcamedees on Tue 08/25/09 10:03 AM





True that. The great Library of Alexandria is one of my pet peeves. It was destroyed by good christians in part for postulating such things as:
Humans are animals, just more advanced than other animals.
Women should be treated as equals.
Slavery was wrong.
The Earth goes around the sun.
The Earth is round.

All things contrary to popular christian belief, at least at that time.

With out religion, we'd be one people, from one planet, and going to the stars by now.


Now my history might be a little rusty, so forgive me, but it seems to me the Christians did not burn the Library at Alexandra. If I remember my Roman history correctly, and again correct me if I'm wrong, the Roman army accidently set fire to the city of Alexandra when Julius Ceasers boy Marc Anthony just had to go and get Cleopatra. Now considering that Marc Anthony was killed by the Romans around 38 B.C. I'm pretty sure that Christianity wasn't invented yet.

No, it was lust under the watchful eyes of Apollo or someone like that which cost us the greatest treasure of knowledge ever assembled.


ok, you're a little rusty. The Library was destroyed in 302ad. Well....I suppose it is possible the Romans set fire to it 340 yrs previously, if so, I've not heard of it. In any case, it was the christians who destroyed it utterly. It was still in use right up till then.
In fact, one of my favorite horror stories about christianity comes from that event. Hypatia, a female(gasp) scientist, on her way to work at the Library, was attacked by a rabid mob of christians. They took her from her carridge, stipped her of her clothes in a public square, then flayed the flesh off her bones with seashells. All because, as a woman, she dared to be a scientist.

Ain't religion grande?


I looked it up, there are three stories of the destruction of the library.


The first person blamed for the destruction of the Library is none other than Julius Caesar himself. In 48 BC, Caesar was pursuing Pompey into Egypt when he was suddenly cut off by an Egyptian fleet at Alexandria. Greatly outnumbered and in enemy territory, Caesar ordered the ships in the harbor to be set on fire. The fire spread and destroyed the Egyptian fleet. Unfortunately, it also burned down part of the city - the area where the great Library stood. Caesar wrote of starting the fire in the harbor but neglected to mention the burning of the Library. Such an omission proves little since he was not in the habit of including unflattering facts while writing his own history. But Caesar was not without public detractors. If he was solely to blame for the disappearance of the Library it is very likely significant documentation on the affair would exist today.

The second story of the Library's destruction is more popular, thanks primarily to Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". But the story is also a tad more complex. Theophilus was Patriarch of Alexandria from 385 to 412 AD. During his reign the Temple of Serapis was converted into a Christian Church (probably around 391 AD) and it is likely that many documents were destroyed then. The Temple of Serapis was estimated to hold about ten percent of the overall Library of Alexandria's holdings. After his death, his nephew Cyril became Patriarch. Shortly after that, riots broke out when Hierax, a Christian monk, was publicly killed by order of Orestes the city Prefect. Orestes was said to be under the influence of Hypatia, a female philosopher and daughter of the "last member of the Library of Alexandria". Although it should be noted that some count Hypatia herself as the last Head Librarian.

Alexandria had long been known for it's violent and volatile politics. Christians, Jews and Pagans all lived together in the city. One ancient writer claimed that there was no people who loved a fight more than those of Alexandria. Immediately after the death of Hierax a group of Jews who had helped instigate his killing lured more Christians into the street at night by proclaiming that the Church was on fire. When the Christians rushed out the largely Jewish mob slew many of them. After this there was mass havoc as Christians retaliated against both the Jews and the Pagans - one of which was Hypatia. The story varies slightly depending upon who tells it but she was taken by the Christians, dragged through the streets and murdered.

Some regard the death of Hypatia as the final destruction of the Library. Others blame Theophilus for destroying the last of the scrolls when he razed the Temple of Serapis prior to making it a Christian church. Still others have confused both incidents and blamed Theophilus for simultaneously murdering Hypatia and destroying the Library though it is obvious Theophilus died sometime prior to Hypatia.

The final individual to get blamed for the destruction is the Moslem Caliph Omar. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." So, allegedly, all the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for the bathhouses of the city. Even then it was said to have taken six months to burn all the documents. But these details, from the Caliph's quote to the incredulous six months it supposedly took to burn all the books, weren't written down until 300 years after the fact. These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.




Interesting. It's not exactly the history I learned, but hey, I've been wrong before.

Still, I think we can all agree that it's destruction was a terrible loss.