I don't believe in the capitalist "money-christian" religion(i.e.We are richer than other countries therefore God loves us more) I think thats a load of bulls**t

I actually like the FEMA deathcamp,birth certificate,secret muslim people because I find it to be hilariously funny. The rightwingers with brains are embarressed of those people

I actually like the FEMA deathcamp,birth certificate,secret muslim people because I find it to be hilariously funny. The rightwingers with brains are embarressed of those people

to tell the truth I'm embarrassed of about 90% of Americans and the things they believe. on both sides

I really am coming to the conclusion that the people of this country are not qualified to choose a president

what I get sick of, and it's been a strategem of the left for a while now, is to attempt to claim some kind of intellectual high ground. Saying things like, Fill-in-the-blank Republican is just not smart enough to understand this or that, and Fill-in-the-blank Democrat is the smartest person for the job, no one's got the intellectual firepower this person has.

and the message rings true when they follow that rhetoric with some stained t-shirt wearing hick from the backwoods of Kentucky saying something stupid and racist.

This whole game about "my dad's smarter than your dad" is just juvenile and counterproductive.

For all the intellectual firepower Tim Geithner allegedly brings to the table and vast understanding of the tax code and federal regulatory authority, he still couldn't figure out how to pay his taxes for a significant part of the last decade, an offense that would have landed you or me in a federal "bone me in the a__" prison for tax evasion.. But no cellie named Art for ol' Timmy! No, this guy gets to head up the federal treasury because "he's smart".

God forbid a person should provide for himself and his family.

And I love the stats. The status quo kills 18,000 people a year. Does that include people that die of lung cancer from smoking or of liver failure from a lifetime of drinking whiskey?

does it include all the gangbangers that can't seem to stop killing each other in those wonderful urban utopias like Detroit, Chicago, Dallas, Houston etc..?

What about the glut of the urban poor who suffer from obesity and die of heart disease?.. is there anything in the "Public Option" that will stop their mothers from feeding them twinkies and cocacola with those food stamps their neighbors subsidise, rather than rice and beans, which are far more healthy and way less expensive?

How many of those deaths could a "public option" have saved?

what about the legions of the uninsured who drive around on $4500 sets of 22" rims but "can't afford the premiums" for insurance and who, instead, go to county hospital ER's and skip out on the bill??

what does the public option do about that??

No.. What this country needs is not another taxpayer subsidised entitlement program, but a good shot in the arm of some good old self respect, rugged individualism, and self reliance.

Dependence on Government leads to shackles of economic slavery.

There should be a safety net. We should not leave defenseless those who cannot fend for themselves. But for those that can provide for themselves and refuse to do so, there should be little sympathy. The safety net should not be a destination resort hammock for the perpetually irresponsible. It takes up all the room for those that could have been caught but end up falling through.

I agree that there are problems with the way doctors are forced to deal with their patients and how healthcare is "delivered" (as though it were a truckload of groceries). But the manner in which the Dems are going about fixing it is completely bass-akwards.

You don't have to pay taxes. So it is not an infringement of your rights.

I keep telling all these folks who complain constantly about taxes, don't pey em in protest.
Tell the government you do not like that they use your tax dollars to help people and stop paying.

It is that simple.

Taxes are voluntarily paid. Or at least by most of the citizens I know. They pay them willingly and in earnest that they help this country run and help people.

For all those who find it a forced thing, they should stop paying them in protest. Your life has to be better if you are not paying those damn taxes, so stop doing it.

So again healthcare is not an infringement on anyone's rights. It will not socialize this country.

Disregarding most of the rant as hypocritical.

It is hypocritical not to respect people's choices in their lives but want to "respect" their freedom to die without healthcare.

Here is the problem with the whole issue.

One (a person) cannot force self responsibility on others to their own standard without denying them the right to live their lives how they wish. Period. There is no way around it. Do we fight for only the fews freedoms or do we fight for all freedoms?

And don't give me the crapola about the cost, we are going to pay taxes in this country forever, it will never go away. And if our tax dollars care for us, all of us, as they should, then they do what they are supposed to do.

Having healthcare for all of us is in no way an infringement on anyone's rights. In no way is it socializing this country. In no way is it a hardship that we should not be willing to bear if we care about this country.

I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies.

People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment.

And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost.

Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck.

I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are.

I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble.

There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially?

What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan.

there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans...