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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans...  Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. |
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Edited by
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. I posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago...they were from the Labor Department...that aside...even if the number was 40 million...why in the world would you scrap...the greatest healthcare system in the universe...or...tell 260 million people that you're going to take away their private heath insurance...because 15% of the country is supposedly...unisured...duh !...don't ya' think they should come up with a plan for the 15% ?...you know why they don't ?...because it's not about healthcare...it's all about taking over 20% of the economy...which means...MORE goverment control... |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. I posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago...they were from the Labor Department...that aside...even if the number was 40 million...why in the world would you scrap...the greatest healthcare system in the universe...or...tell 260 million people that you're going to take away their private heath insurance...because 15% of the coutry is supposedly...unisured...duh !...don't ya' think they should come up with a plan for the 15% ?...you know they don't ?...because it's not about healthcare...it's all about taking over 20% of the economy...which means...MORE goverment control... Considering that noone will lose their health coverage, that is a lie perpetrated by those who want to put fear into those who want the public option. I guess that negates your argument then huh? |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Nobody is trying to take anybody's healthcare away. 
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Edited by
Giocamo
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. I posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago...they were from the Labor Department...that aside...even if the number was 40 million...why in the world would you scrap...the greatest healthcare system in the universe...or...tell 260 million people that you're going to take away their private heath insurance...because 15% of the coutry is supposedly...unisured...duh !...don't ya' think they should come up with a plan for the 15% ?...you know they don't ?...because it's not about healthcare...it's all about taking over 20% of the economy...which means...MORE goverment control... Considering that noone will lose their health coverage, that is a lie perpetrated by those who want to put fear into those who want the public option. I guess that negates your argument then huh? I give...there is no arguing with an Obama supporter...you actually made my point...silly...we will ALL be on the government plan...if you'd read the bill...start with page 16...and call me in the morning...I knew there was a reason I didn't hang out on here anymore...all I need now...is for Boo..to tell me..." well at least he's trying "...LOL...regardless of the end result...
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Edited by
Winx
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. "even those who can afford coverage cannot always get it. AHIP found that 72 percent of 2006 applications for health insurance were eventually approved, while the rest were withdrawn, not processed, or denied for medical or non-medical reasons. And of those who got coverage, 11 percent had to pay a higher rate than requested." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/ |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. I posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago...they were from the Labor Department...that aside...even if the number was 40 million...why in the world would you scrap...the greatest healthcare system in the universe...or...tell 260 million people that you're going to take away their private heath insurance...because 15% of the coutry is supposedly...unisured...duh !...don't ya' think they should come up with a plan for the 15% ?...you know they don't ?...because it's not about healthcare...it's all about taking over 20% of the economy...which means...MORE goverment control... Considering that noone will lose their health coverage, that is a lie perpetrated by those who want to put fear into those who want the public option. I guess that negates your argument then huh? I give...there is no arguing with an Obama supporter...you actually made my point...silly...we will ALL be on the government plan...if you'd read the bill...start with page 16...and call me in the morning...I knew there was a reason I didn't hang out on here anymore...all I need now...is for Boo..to tell me..." well at least he's trying "...LOL...regardless of the end result... I have read it and it says no such thing. So you are still incorrect. |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. "even those who can afford coverage cannot always get it. AHIP found that 72 percent of 2006 applications for health insurance were eventually approved, while the rest were withdrawn, not processed, or denied for medical or non-medical reasons. And of those who got coverage, 11 percent had to pay a higher rate than requested." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/ The illegals are not being counted as part of the equation that is another falsehood used to influence those who do not do their research. |
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Edited by
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from the actual bill, 111 hb 3200.
full text: [urlhttp://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf pgs 18-19 Title I, Sec 102,(c)(1) 23 (c) LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE 24 COVERAGE.— (1) IN 1 GENERAL.—Individual health insurance 2 coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance 3 coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered 4 on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-par 5 ticipating health benefits plan. If you're not covered by the time this proposed law takes effect, the only coverage you can get has to be through the Federally Managed "Exchange". This exchange is something like a clearing house where the regulator or Commissioner has the authority to decide which companies people may buy from and what kinds of coverage they may offer. A middle-man of sorts where "one" of the options is the Public Option. I'm not sure what you think that means but to me that reads like a system where the government gets to decide what mandates it applies to "it's competition". The thought of the government having the ability to "compete" in a market place it is regulating is akin to playing a basketball game where the other team is wearing the same jerseys as the referees. Or more aptly, showing up with a kids basketball team only to find out the ref's are all Dad's of players on the other team. Who do you think's gonna win that game? for all intents and purposes, it's exactly the same. |
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from the actual bill, 111 hb 3200. full text: [urlhttp://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf pgs 18-19 Title I, Sec 102,(c)(1) 23 (c) LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE 24 COVERAGE.— (1) IN 1 GENERAL.—Individual health insurance 2 coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance 3 coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered 4 on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-par 5 ticipating health benefits plan. If you're not covered by the time this proposed law takes effect, the only coverage you can get has to be through the Federally Managed "Exchange". This exchange is something like a clearing house where the regulator or Commissioner has the authority to decide which companies people may buy from and what kinds of coverage they may offer. A middle-man of sorts where "one" of the options is the Public Option. I'm not sure what you think that means but to me that reads like a system where the government gets to decide what mandates it applies to "it's competition". The thought of the government having the ability to "compete" in a market place it is regulating is akin to playing a basketball game where the other team is wearing the same jerseys as the referees. Or more aptly, showing up with a kids basketball team only to find out the ref's are all Dad's of players on the other team. Who do you think's gonna win that game? for all intents and purposes, it's exactly the same. That is still not stating that people will lose their own health insurance nor is it stating that people will be forced out of their own health insurance into the public option. |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. "even those who can afford coverage cannot always get it. AHIP found that 72 percent of 2006 applications for health insurance were eventually approved, while the rest were withdrawn, not processed, or denied for medical or non-medical reasons. And of those who got coverage, 11 percent had to pay a higher rate than requested." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/ The illegals are not being counted as part of the equation that is another falsehood used to influence those who do not do their research. The healthcare plan is not going to cover illegals. |
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never said that it did. what I said was that all this talk about choice is useless. If, after day 1 this plan takes effect, you are not covered, or decide you want to drop your coverage for something else, you HAVE to go through the .gov to buy "qualified" insurance.
And the .gov gets to decide what coverage you can buy. where's the choice there? suppose I'm 15 and I don't have coverage.. I'm gonna grow up and be a big boy one day and have my own coverage.. if that happens after day 1 of year 1 of this plan, I am forced to go through this government agency to buy "qualified coverage".. Not only that, this bill puts a mandate on each and every individual in America to have coverage, so the about-to-be 18 year old me doesn't have the option of not buying healthcare. otherwise I get hit with a tax.. not every 20 year old out there needs a gold plated healthcare plan, most don't need but the most basic if any at all. but now this fed mandate is forcing this expense on each and every American. Tell me how that squares with your liberty and democratic principles.. |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. "even those who can afford coverage cannot always get it. AHIP found that 72 percent of 2006 applications for health insurance were eventually approved, while the rest were withdrawn, not processed, or denied for medical or non-medical reasons. And of those who got coverage, 11 percent had to pay a higher rate than requested." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/ The illegals are not being counted as part of the equation that is another falsehood used to influence those who do not do their research. The healthcare plan is not going to cover illegals. thank you for that insightful contribution.. |
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I rather doubt many here would even acknowledge that the Republicans have been out and out lying about this health care plan, much less care that the lies continue even after they have been debunked. They never cared about Bush's lies, and for this president they actually help to spread the lies. People are using their anger about everything under the sun against this plan. Forget the fact that people are just out and out selfish. All I ever hear in here is whining about people getting a hand out. Take care of your own family members bla bla bla, doesn't matter that many old people have no family to speak of or who care to take them in an care for them. I'd like to see the whiners in here go tell those old people to their faces that they don't feel obligated to help. Oh never mind, please do me a favor and don't post that you would be happy with that assignment. And who said start a charity? That's the perfect way to get out of helping anyone. Let the suckers and bleeding hearts donate, like that would cover the cost. Forget accusing Obama of wanting to kill old people, sh$t you have the people themselves that would much rather kill them off along with anyone who happens to be sick or even down on their luck. I am not rich and never have been but I am damn lucky that I am not in their shoes, though hell I might be one day and never expect it. It still blows me away to find out how really really self centered and selfish people really are. I take good care of myself and I don't eat junk at all. I get plenty of exercises, in fact at 60 I can still work rings around people half my age. But that doesn't get me off the hook. Anything can happen and any one of us could find ourselves in trouble. There's a young man down the road that has been studying to be a veterinarian. He was in great health, ate good, exercised 3 days a week and spent most of his free time studying. He collapsed one day, something happened in his brain. He might bring a dog to the vet in the future, but he won't be the vet. He will be on disability the rest of his life. Anyone want to go tell him he's a waste of time and effort and he should die because his parents can't afford to care for him financially? What sickens me most is that a good number of these republicans are so called christians. Oh and by the way that goes for the leaders on the left as well that would prefer to lie about this plan. there's 300 million people in this country...and...288 million have healthcare that they like and want...so...you and Obama and ALL the DemocRATS...want to take away...from all those happy Americans...their healthcare...change it to a Government run plan...because of 12 million Americans...that just can't afford there own healthcare ?...I don't think so !...and neither do 85% of Americans... Not true. Nice try though. not true ?...what do you have a problem with...it's already been proven that 47 million is counting 20 million illegal aliens...another 8 million make $75,000 a year...but choose NOT to insure themselves...another 7 million or so...are kids...18-21...that feel like its a waste of money at there young age... Proven by who, you? Rush Limbaugh? LOL Not true still. Try again. I posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago...they were from the Labor Department...that aside...even if the number was 40 million...why in the world would you scrap...the greatest healthcare system in the universe...or...tell 260 million people that you're going to take away their private heath insurance...because 15% of the country is supposedly...unisured...duh !...don't ya' think they should come up with a plan for the 15% ?...you know why they don't ?...because it's not about healthcare...it's all about taking over 20% of the economy...which means...MORE goverment control... I guess I should not be so amazed how hard it is to get through to people. The greatest health care in the world? We are having this much difficulty with the greatest health care in the world. How many times does someone have to say that no one is trying to take away private insurance. If you love your premiums going up 3 times in 2 years you'll love it when they double in the next 2 years if nothing is done. Good luck keeping that insurance. |
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