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Short video's with Micheal Roll that everyone may enjoy...
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/ My knowledge of bible text is limited but I recall reading somewhere that Jesus spoke of reincarnation but his talks of this subject were removed by the council editing..in canstantinople....also that his teachings of such still exist in old gnostic writings not recognized by the church...again .. I am not an expert on the bible...no need to attack me on this...I'm only seeking discussion... |
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Though I wasn't raised in the belief of reincarnation I find it hard to
believe sometimes that this life is the only chance we get to do it right. Isn't the first time out practice? |
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I enjoyed watching it. I thought the challenge to Albert Einstein's
theory of relativity was interesting as well as the challenge to the theory of the world being flat. |
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There are several verses that some claim support reincarnation:
Jeremiah 1:4–5 John, 1:21 Matthew 11:14 Matthew 17:12,13 II Kings second chapter Matthew 5:25–26 Matthew 26:52 Mark 9:11–13 Luke 1:17 John 3:1–10 John 9:1–3 Galatians 6:7 Origen, an early Christian theologian who lived during the third century, wrote that "The soul has neither beginning nor end. [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous existence" (De Principiis). This belief was not unique to Origen; early Christians believed that the soul exists prior to the conception and birth of a person, a belief that many then-popular variants of Greek philosophy accepted. However, this does not in and of itself imply reincarnation, cf. the Mormon view of the "beforelife" of the soul. In AD 553, more than three hundred years after Origen's death, the Emperor Justinian issued an edict against Origen, whose writings had by then become very divisive, and convened the Second Council of Constantinople. This Council issued "The Anathemas Against Origen". The first sentence reads, "If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema." Some see the Anathemas Against Origen not only suppressing the early Christian teachings within the Church, but also any teaching supportive of views on the pre-existence of the soul. Anyone publicly espousing such beliefs could be reprimanded, and, if he persisted, excommunicated from the Church. The decision of the Second Council of Constantinople regarding the pre-existence of souls has never been disputed since by traditional Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant theologians and mainstream denominations. Quote from Origen: "It can be shown that an incorporeal and reasonable being has life in itself independently of the body... then it is beyond a doubt bodies are only of secondary importance and arise from time to time to meet the varying conditions of reasonable creatures. Those who require bodies are clothed with them, and contrariwise, when fallen souls have lifted themselves up to better things their bodies are once more annihilated. They are ever vanishing and ever reappearing." |
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Origen was educated by his father, Leonides, on scriptural texts that
would later become the Bible and in elementary studies. However, in 202, Origen's father was killed in the outbreak of the persecution during the reign of Septimius Severus. Origen wished to follow in martyrdom, but was prevented only by his mother hiding his clothes. The death of Leonides left the family of nine impoverished when their property was confiscated. Origen, however, was taken under the protection of a woman of wealth and standing; but as her household already included a heretic named Paul, the strictly orthodox Origen seems to have remained with her only a short time. Since his father's teaching enabled him also to give elementary instruction, he revived, in 203, the Catechetical School of Alexandria, whose last teacher, Clement of Alexandria, was apparently driven out by the persecution. But the persecution still raged, and the young teacher unceasingly visited the prisoners, attended the courts, and comforted the condemned, himself preserved from harm as if by a miracle. His fame and the number of his pupils increased rapidly, so that Bishop Demetrius of Alexandria, made him restrict himself to instruction in Christian doctrine alone. Origen, to be entirely independent, sold his library for a sum which netted him a daily income of 4 obols on which he lived by exercising the utmost frugality. Teaching throughout the day, he devoted the greater part of the night to the study of the Bible and lived a life of rigid asceticism. According to some traditions, he carried this to such an extent that, fearing that his position as a teacher of women as well as men might give ground for scandal to the heathen, he followed Matthew 19:12 literally and castrated himself; this action, if accurately reported, was likely partly influenced, too, by his belief that the Christian must follow the words of his Master without reserve. Later in life, however, he saw reason to judge differently concerning his extreme act. The historical accuracy of this supposed castration has been doubted by some scholars. It has been postulated that this story was circulated by Origen's rivals in an effort to lessen his importance or to otherwise sully his reputation. Ouch!!! |
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spunky..I agree..it would be pointless if this was it..
thanks rainbow I have read that Jesus may have travelled Asian and the east during his learning days..if so then it would seem that reincarnaton would certainly be talked about by him |
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