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OP-your numbers also omit the hidden taxes, such as inflation and inflation tax, which hurt the poor and middle class the most. you mean like tobacco taxes, which are disproportionately levied against the "poor", income-dollar for income-dollar. But the Obama Administration couldn't get through the Congress fast enough and everyone applauded it as though it were just. How about the federal gasoline tax? The federal government doesn't lift a finger or spend a dime extracting oil or refining it into the gasoline that you and I depend on daily to go places and to have good delivered to our communities. Yet that tax is, again, levied disproportionately, income-dollar for income-dollar, against the lowest earners.. so explain or justify that.. and yet, no one has refuted the intial premise which is to dispell the myth that the top earners dont "pay their share" how much more would you have the top earners pay?? they already pay more dollars in federal taxes that the bottom 95%.. Total tax rate for top earners in New York state is rapidly approaching 60%.. how much more can you lean on these people before they say, 'screw this. You can all go to Hell, I'll go to Texas'?? I don't agree with any taxes (or any government), so we have some common ground, it seems. |
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Edited by
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eat the rich and you'll soon go hungry. when was the last time someone on welfare signed your paycheck?? |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. regardless, it's not being used for its intended purpose.. besides all that.. I've paid many tens of thousands of dollars into the social security fund and do you know how much I'm going to see of that money when I reach retirement age? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, NEIN, CERO, not a single cent, not one red dime.. know why? because a good many people getting money from it don't fit into either category you describe.. |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. regardless, it's not being used for its intended purpose.. besides all that.. I've paid many tens of thousands of dollars into the social security fund and do you know how much I'm going to see of that money when I reach retirement age? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, NEIN, CERO, not a single cent, not one red dime.. know why? because a good many people getting money from it don't fit into either category you describe.. If you were referring to politicians, the last one to access it was Bush. As for people who are not disabled receiving social security that is a propaganda tool that is not correct. As with all programs there have been scammers but social security is so hard to get the scammers are far and few between. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. you mean a pool of IOUs. Social Security and Medicare have been broke for years. |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. regardless, it's not being used for its intended purpose.. besides all that.. I've paid many tens of thousands of dollars into the social security fund and do you know how much I'm going to see of that money when I reach retirement age? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, NEIN, CERO, not a single cent, not one red dime.. know why? because a good many people getting money from it don't fit into either category you describe.. If you were referring to politicians, the last one to access it was Bush. As for people who are not disabled receiving social security that is a propaganda tool that is not correct. As with all programs there have been scammers but social security is so hard to get the scammers are far and few between. And before him, Clinton. Remember his "balanced budget?" he had to borrow a few hundred billion from programs like Social Security and Medicare in order to make that work. Obama, to my knowledge, has not, but likely only because he hasn't signed off on a budget yet. Then again, I have not read all legislation passed by him. |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. regardless, it's not being used for its intended purpose.. besides all that.. I've paid many tens of thousands of dollars into the social security fund and do you know how much I'm going to see of that money when I reach retirement age? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, NEIN, CERO, not a single cent, not one red dime.. know why? because a good many people getting money from it don't fit into either category you describe.. If you were referring to politicians, the last one to access it was Bush. As for people who are not disabled receiving social security that is a propaganda tool that is not correct. As with all programs there have been scammers but social security is so hard to get the scammers are far and few between. And before him, Clinton. Remember his "balanced budget?" he had to borrow a few hundred billion from programs like Social Security and Medicare in order to make that work. Obama, to my knowledge, has not, but likely only because he hasn't signed off on a budget yet. Then again, I have not read all legislation passed by him. Yep... He did borrow money from something that HAD money attached to it. He did not however, borrow money from nothing... which is what WE are doing NOW! Past is past... Now is what we must do right... For tomorrow. The world is not ending... Tomorrow comes. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. LOL now that is a joke, right? |
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Do you realize that the statistics do not include social security tax as part of the equation? Do you realize that Social Security ISN'T A TAX!!!! It's supposed to be a trust fund that everyone pays into that helps pay for part of the retirement for people that WORKED their entire lives.. but now it's just a general kitty fund for power hungry politicos to dip into and dole out entitlements to those they promise to "help" in exchange for their votes.. Don't you remember AL Gore and his whole "lock-box" promises?? social security tax... you need to get a clue and keep your politicians' grubby hands out of the pockets of American Families.. It is not a trust fund of any kind, it is a pool of money used to pay those who are disabled and/or retired. A pool of money that is used when needed. Trust funds are quarenteed to the payee, social security may never pay a person since they may die before they reach retirement age or get disabled. you mean a pool of IOUs. Social Security and Medicare have been broke for years. Not accurate either. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. LOL now that is a joke, right? NO joke. Medical bill is not a problem... It is like inserting c into an equation of a=b: A = it is folly to borrow money to pay a debt. B = We are doing just that. C= has nothing to do with above equation... It is a non-sequitar... Priorities are quite clear. Fill sand bags. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed.  ...as we've seen...all our lives...Liberalism is an emotionally based ideology...it's all about caring...feelings...the end result is secondary...outcomes really don't matter...as long as you're trying...I read that garbage everyday...when it comes to Obama...they say..." well at least he's trying "...
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. LOL now that is a joke, right? NO joke. Medical bill is not a problem... It is like inserting c into an equation of a=b: A = it is folly to borrow money to pay a debt. B = We are doing just that. C= has nothing to do with above equation... It is a non-sequitar... Priorities are quite clear. Fill sand bags. Only for those nay sayers who really do not have a valid reason to try to stop it. The other post was a joke though. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. That's because you have to have feelings to talk from.. Ya know I love ya, Andrew. Just couldn't help it, you left yourself open for that one.. Grin 
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Edited by
boo2u
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Sat 08/08/09 09:49 PM
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. ...as we've seen...all our lives...Liberalism is an emotionally based ideology...it's all about caring...feelings...the end result is secondary...outcomes really don't matter...as long as you're trying...I read that garbage everyday...when it comes to Obama...they say..." well at least he's trying "...
Would that garbage be Rush, or Beck or Fox? Please!!! the other side has feelings, their just usually anger and sarcasm etc. He's doing more than trying, but you won't find that out from your sources. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. LOL now that is a joke, right? NO joke. Medical bill is not a problem... It is like inserting c into an equation of a=b: A = it is folly to borrow money to pay a debt. B = We are doing just that. C= has nothing to do with above equation... It is a non-sequitar... Priorities are quite clear. Fill sand bags. Only for those nay sayers who really do not have a valid reason to try to stop it. The other post was a joke though. actually, no, it's not. I still to this day have not received a reason why we NEED this plan. My arguments are simple: the rich should not have to pay for the poor, the poor still can have healthcare, they just have to pay (what a concept!), and the system is flawed severely and we need to fix the inefficiencies of the system instead of throwing money into a bottomless pit. All logical, all based in fact. Common reply: we are the greatest nation in the world and we just need it! I'd say that argument is the real joke but it's not even a logically valid argument. Seems to be alot of that going around by the defenders of Obamacare. Come on, give me one good argument and back it up with fact. I just want to see if it can be done. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. ...as we've seen...all our lives...Liberalism is an emotionally based ideology...it's all about caring...feelings...the end result is secondary...outcomes really don't matter...as long as you're trying...I read that garbage everyday...when it comes to Obama...they say..." well at least he's trying "...
Would that garbage be Rush, or Beck or Fox? Please!!! the other side has feelings, their just usually anger and sarcasm etc. He's doing more than trying, but you won't find that out from your sources. I always saw it the other way with ends and means: the conservative economic thought is that the means justify the ends while the liberal economic ideology is that the end justifies the means. Case in point: Obamacare. It doesn't matter how much money is being wasted on a broken system or how much you have to tax the rich to do it, all that matters is that everyone has health insurance. And no hard feelings lol. I got about two hours sleep last night and really didn't translate that one from brain to fingers all that well lol. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. ...as we've seen...all our lives...Liberalism is an emotionally based ideology...it's all about caring...feelings...the end result is secondary...outcomes really don't matter...as long as you're trying...I read that garbage everyday...when it comes to Obama...they say..." well at least he's trying "...
Would that garbage be Rush, or Beck or Fox? Please!!! the other side has feelings, their just usually anger and sarcasm etc. He's doing more than trying, but you won't find that out from your sources. I always saw it the other way with ends and means: the conservative economic thought is that the means justify the ends while the liberal economic ideology is that the end justifies the means. Case in point: Obamacare. It doesn't matter how much money is being wasted on a broken system or how much you have to tax the rich to do it, all that matters is that everyone has health insurance. And no hard feelings lol. I got about two hours sleep last night and really didn't translate that one from brain to fingers all that well lol.
You can't fix the foundation by pulling bricks from the ceiling... Weaken the structure and the roof collapses. |
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Ugh, you are wasting your time, Dragoness. Funny, I feel the same about myself and Adventure... we talk from information and fact and receive nothing but feelings in return. All the good will in the world will not work if the underlying structure you are trying to fix is flawed. ...as we've seen...all our lives...Liberalism is an emotionally based ideology...it's all about caring...feelings...the end result is secondary...outcomes really don't matter...as long as you're trying...I read that garbage everyday...when it comes to Obama...they say..." well at least he's trying "...
Would that garbage be Rush, or Beck or Fox? Please!!! the other side has feelings, their just usually anger and sarcasm etc. He's doing more than trying, but you won't find that out from your sources. I always saw it the other way with ends and means: the conservative economic thought is that the means justify the ends while the liberal economic ideology is that the end justifies the means. Case in point: Obamacare. It doesn't matter how much money is being wasted on a broken system or how much you have to tax the rich to do it, all that matters is that everyone has health insurance. And no hard feelings lol. I got about two hours sleep last night and really didn't translate that one from brain to fingers all that well lol. No hard feelings...  I listened to Obama explain his plan and from what he said he is concerned with money being wasted in our current system and spoke of things that could be changed to save money.. I don't want to go all into this again, if people want to know what he is saying they should listen. You probably won't agree with him no matter what he says, but that's ok too. I want to wait and see the final bill and what agreements are reached.
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