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What a bunch of gobbly gook here, no offense. The OP was inaccurate and many post after have been inaccurate. The fact of the matter is that this country can do the health bill and it will survive doing it. It will take some brainworking and it will take some changes but in the end it will fall into place in our government just like all other programs have done all along. The fearmongering only works for those who do not understand how it all works and trust others to warn them of the faults of it. Sure we can... Fear mongering (high emotional index word... ergo propaganda). I speak a truth. One cannot borrow money to pay a debt and not still have a debt... AT some point the debt becomes larger than your resources... Bush did that already. So what now? Blame Obama for it and fearmonger the health bill? Not a good policy in my eyes. Assess the need, which there is, assess the capability of this country to do it, which it can, assess the positivity of end result, which there is. And there you have it, it can and should be done. How are we gonna pay for it? It's not that simple. Just like all other needed programs we find a way to fund them. Obama has already said that the current system needs revamping to bring cost down through waste, mismanagement, fraud, etc... which will save money and then the healthcare program will be optional which does not guarentee that all 47 million will even utilize it and if you provide proactive care to folks the cost of their healthcare goes down in the end. The cost is not going to end up being as extensive as it is being falsley predicted. Now would be a good time to remember all those falsely blamed on the illegals statistics of emergency care costs. Those were actually the cost of all indigent emergency care in this country. Indigent meaning those with income too small to pay for insurance. If these individuals had had care to begin with they would probably had not been in the emergency room which costs outlandishly just to walk into. That is one saving of billions a year alone. And this list goes on and on of care that is not provided efficiently and proactively causing costs to be outlandish. My brain is not working well tonight so if this is not understandable, I apologize. I am really really tired. Having worked with the Medicaid program, I have seen all of this for many many years. Statistics that are not public. Change we need? Sure just like the other programs... We'll find a way to fund them... Borrow some more money... Dosen't matter if the debt will grow faster than the money you just borrowed. Just keep borrowing... EEEEEEEEEEK!!! Do you run your household finances this way... OF COURSE NOT! |
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PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, but I am trying to sum up the arguments presented in my head... ==== Andrew: We do not need Obama's healthcare package. Yes, some things are broken but this radical intervention is unwarranted. Additionally, he asked a very basic question: Why should I have to pay for other people's healthcare when I have to pay for my own? (Answer not offered) ==== Adventure: Whether we need the package or not is irrelevant, we cannot afford it. It doesn't matter how horrible it is watching someone drown, if you cannot save them then you are powerless to help. Pretending that you can swim and diving in to save them will only result in both of your deaths. You may have had the best intentions in the world, but the outcome is worse than if you had done nothing. ==== Dragoness: When the original post professed that the vast majority of income tax collected was from the top earners and that the lowest earners actually paid very little income tax, she argued that there is more than just income tax to consider. Other than that, most posts have been a simple: you are wrong or you have misunderstood. ==== Boo: It is good that some people have feelings of responsibility in the government and if you would just listen to Obama speak you would realize that this is package a good thing. Regardless, since the bill is not set in stone yet we should wait for Congress to hash out the details before we discuss it. ==== Honestly, please correct me if I have mischaracterized what I have read. I missed this post first time through. You seem to have it pretty well pegged up to this point. |
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What a bunch of gobbly gook here, no offense. The OP was inaccurate and many post after have been inaccurate. The fact of the matter is that this country can do the health bill and it will survive doing it. It will take some brainworking and it will take some changes but in the end it will fall into place in our government just like all other programs have done all along. The fearmongering only works for those who do not understand how it all works and trust others to warn them of the faults of it. Sure we can... Fear mongering (high emotional index word... ergo propaganda). I speak a truth. One cannot borrow money to pay a debt and not still have a debt... AT some point the debt becomes larger than your resources... Bush did that already. So what now? Blame Obama for it and fearmonger the health bill? Not a good policy in my eyes. Assess the need, which there is, assess the capability of this country to do it, which it can, assess the positivity of end result, which there is. And there you have it, it can and should be done. How are we gonna pay for it? It's not that simple. Just like all other needed programs we find a way to fund them. Obama has already said that the current system needs revamping to bring cost down through waste, mismanagement, fraud, etc... which will save money and then the healthcare program will be optional which does not guarentee that all 47 million will even utilize it and if you provide proactive care to folks the cost of their healthcare goes down in the end. The cost is not going to end up being as extensive as it is being falsley predicted. Now would be a good time to remember all those falsely blamed on the illegals statistics of emergency care costs. Those were actually the cost of all indigent emergency care in this country. Indigent meaning those with income too small to pay for insurance. If these individuals had had care to begin with they would probably had not been in the emergency room which costs outlandishly just to walk into. That is one saving of billions a year alone. And this list goes on and on of care that is not provided efficiently and proactively causing costs to be outlandish. My brain is not working well tonight so if this is not understandable, I apologize. I am really really tired. Having worked with the Medicaid program, I have seen all of this for many many years. Statistics that are not public. Change we need? Sure just like the other programs... We'll find a way to fund them... Borrow some more money... Dosen't matter if the debt will grow faster than the money you just borrowed. Just keep borrowing... EEEEEEEEEEK!!! Do you run your household finances this way... OF COURSE NOT! I live in debt constantly, I have hospital bills that I cannot pay due to paying to live each month. Every time I have to take ambulance ride which thank the powers has not happened this year yet, I incur a bill that is not within my budget. But that is really irrelavant to the government financing. The bill of this bill is just a fearmongering tool. I just said that the cost will not be even close to what is being falsely predicted anyway. |
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What a bunch of gobbly gook here, no offense. The OP was inaccurate and many post after have been inaccurate. The fact of the matter is that this country can do the health bill and it will survive doing it. It will take some brainworking and it will take some changes but in the end it will fall into place in our government just like all other programs have done all along. The fearmongering only works for those who do not understand how it all works and trust others to warn them of the faults of it. Sure we can... Fear mongering (high emotional index word... ergo propaganda). I speak a truth. One cannot borrow money to pay a debt and not still have a debt... AT some point the debt becomes larger than your resources... Bush did that already. So what now? Blame Obama for it and fearmonger the health bill? Not a good policy in my eyes. Assess the need, which there is, assess the capability of this country to do it, which it can, assess the positivity of end result, which there is. And there you have it, it can and should be done. How are we gonna pay for it? It's not that simple. Just like all other needed programs we find a way to fund them. Obama has already said that the current system needs revamping to bring cost down through waste, mismanagement, fraud, etc... which will save money and then the healthcare program will be optional which does not guarentee that all 47 million will even utilize it and if you provide proactive care to folks the cost of their healthcare goes down in the end. The cost is not going to end up being as extensive as it is being falsley predicted. Now would be a good time to remember all those falsely blamed on the illegals statistics of emergency care costs. Those were actually the cost of all indigent emergency care in this country. Indigent meaning those with income too small to pay for insurance. If these individuals had had care to begin with they would probably had not been in the emergency room which costs outlandishly just to walk into. That is one saving of billions a year alone. And this list goes on and on of care that is not provided efficiently and proactively causing costs to be outlandish. My brain is not working well tonight so if this is not understandable, I apologize. I am really really tired. Having worked with the Medicaid program, I have seen all of this for many many years. Statistics that are not public. Change we need? Sure just like the other programs... We'll find a way to fund them... Borrow some more money... Dosen't matter if the debt will grow faster than the money you just borrowed. Just keep borrowing... EEEEEEEEEEK!!! Do you run your household finances this way... OF COURSE NOT! I live in debt constantly, I have hospital bills that I cannot pay due to paying to live each month. Every time I have to take ambulance ride which thank the powers has not happened this year yet, I incur a bill that is not within my budget. But that is really irrelavant to the government financing. The bill of this bill is just a fearmongering tool. I just said that the cost will not be even close to what is being falsely predicted anyway. Yep... the same people that projected the costs of this program also projected costs on other programs... and their projections have been proven over time to be way to small for the actual ammount that gets pumped into the program... i.e they have a very bad track record of projecting short of actual. in other words... 1 trillion is to small for what it will actually cost. Which is beside the point. 1 trillion more is 1 trillion to much... I have been saying TO MUCH for years... No one listens... and the debt grows by each day, each our, each minute... |
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