Topic: Should Susan Atkins
Winx's photo
Mon 08/10/09 12:22 PM

maybe they should just not give her life saving medical attention to interfere with the cancer

after all it was a life sentence

not a sentence to free medical care

she should get the same medical care the woman making 30k a year w/no medical coverage would get

which would be she would pay for the care she gets

if she wants care then she can pay for it after all she is a criminally convicted felon

give her an iv of pain meds and let it go at that (if that)

i am cold ya say

well how cold was she when she committed her crimes against society


IMO, that would be considered to be cruel and unusual punishment.

auburngirl's photo
Mon 08/10/09 12:29 PM
hmmmmm interesting point. As long as she was given pain meds, without which I would agree would be cruel and unusual punishment, I could agree with no chemo etc.

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Mon 08/10/09 07:41 PM





And I personally think when they overturned the death penalty in CA, and now have since turned it back..that they should have gone back and picked up the ones who got the death penalty Before they overturned it in the first place. Then we wouldn't need to have these conversations.


Could you rephrase that? I am not sure what you said here.


if they got a death sentence in their trial

but the state stop death as being an acceptable punishment thus they did not get put to death

and the state has since restarted using the death penalty

those that received the death penalty before they stopped it should have their original death sentence reinstated



That's was my original thought, but I wanted to be sure that is what she meant. However that doesn't match up with her original post that said 'Those who show mercy shall obtain mercy.'

That says to me that it goes for everyone.

What the woman did was wrong, but she didn't do anything to me, so where's my exuse for showing her no mercy? that saying seems to have different means to different folks.

I know, I know, I am overthinking this, it's just what crossed my mind....



You are ASSUMING what I meant. As Keith said, it was meant to point out that Susan A did not show any, therefore she gets none. And her mercy was when her sentence was commuted and that taxes paid to feed her sorry a@@ for all these years.


Actually I don't think I was assuming so much as questioning if the statement also applied to everyone. You didn't specify in that first post who it was meant for, originally I was a bit confused because your second post wanted her fried, which didn't fit the original thought.

I knew that you meant that statement specifically for her later, just wondered if it also would apply to you and to me as individuals, if it applied to her as an individual. So should we expect mercy if we show her no mercy?

In the end doesn't that same statement apply to us all?

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Tue 08/11/09 06:20 AM
Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)

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Tue 08/11/09 09:01 AM

Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)


I am not questioning mercy shown to her by others or the courts. I am talking about the statement made about mercy. I am suggesting that the statement (Those who show mercy shall obtain mercy) appears to apply to us all in both directions.

It was really just a curiosity to me that it was applied to this person, yet doesn't stand for everyone? If so then my individual judgement of her applies as well. If I show her no mercy in my heart, I should expect no mercy... that brought to my mind my own conflict with mercy in such a case.

What is mercy if it doesn't apply to all. No she didn't show mercy, so there for I should show no mercy? It them becomes not about her but about me.

One side of me would have a difficult time showing her any mercy at all, but that statement made me stop and think. It made me question my own capacity for mercy!

See what I am getting at? I was really really just curious, since I struggle with having mercy myself.

It's not a big deal, I don't need to know, just curious.

auburngirl's photo
Tue 08/11/09 10:05 AM
I believe the statement "those who show mercy shall obtain mercy" apply to all of us, yes.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 08/11/09 10:38 AM
IMO....there are many people in prison that have grown old or sick there. why let her out and not everyone else??? IMO don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I realize she is very sick but that doesn't change what she did. Prisons monitor visitors and most conversations. that way the prisoner can't get someone else to commit a crime on their behalf. who would monitor her?

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Tue 08/11/09 11:29 AM

I believe the statement "those who show mercy shall obtain mercy" apply to all of us, yes.


Ok we have that much so far, thank you. Now my last question would be does that not also mean that we must show her mercy as well, individually, whether we have any way of actually influencing that mercy or not?

Again I am just curious how others might answer this, not making any judgments because frankly even I am conflicted.

As to her getting out and not others. I believe that the prisons or courts or whom every makes decisions, make them based on time served and other criteria who is actually up for that consideration at the time.

Her time for that consideration may have come up, and so the question was posed should she blablabla.

So I don't think it's a matter of all prisoners in her category or some category should all be let go because she might be let go. They have some sort of organized way of dealing with such instances.

Hope I said that right.

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Tue 08/11/09 11:50 AM


I believe the statement "those who show mercy shall obtain mercy" apply to all of us, yes.


Ok we have that much so far, thank you. Now my last question would be does that not also mean that we must show her mercy as well, individually, whether we have any way of actually influencing that mercy or not?

Again I am just curious how others might answer this, not making any judgments because frankly even I am conflicted.

As to her getting out and not others. I believe that the prisons or courts or whom every makes decisions, make them based on time served and other criteria who is actually up for that consideration at the time.

Her time for that consideration may have come up, and so the question was posed should she blablabla.

So I don't think it's a matter of all prisoners in her category or some category should all be let go because she might be let go. They have some sort of organized way of dealing with such instances.

Hope I said that right.


What would constitute showing her mercy? opening the doors for her... if it's good enough for her it should be good enough for all... If the govt had some sort of organized way of dealing with such instances, this would not be an option laugh

flowerforyou boo - ya know I'm just picking on ya - respect your stance on the issue, glad we can agree to disagree.


franshade's photo
Tue 08/11/09 11:52 AM

I believe the statement "those who show mercy shall obtain mercy" apply to all of us, yes.


ok type really slow, how does one show mercy? by allowing or accepting unacceptable behaviors from others? is that mercy? is mercy releasing a convicted murderer because she's dying, we are all dying every day we are closer to death. Sorry to sound so morbid, but someone please explain it to me.

Those that have shown mercy shall obtain mercy from whom?

adj4u's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:14 PM


maybe they should just not give her life saving medical attention to interfere with the cancer

after all it was a life sentence

not a sentence to free medical care

she should get the same medical care the woman making 30k a year w/no medical coverage would get

which would be she would pay for the care she gets

if she wants care then she can pay for it after all she is a criminally convicted felon

give her an iv of pain meds and let it go at that (if that)

i am cold ya say

well how cold was she when she committed her crimes against society


IMO, that would be considered to be cruel and unusual punishment.


LIKE I SAID LET HER PAY FOR IT

oops oops

oops the govt would not pay for the treatment for a middle class woman without heath insurance so why should a criminal get it

and not a productive citizen


Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:21 PM

Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)


Somethings are worse than death...

franshade's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:23 PM


Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)


Somethings are worse than death...

like?

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:26 PM



Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)


Somethings are worse than death...

like?


like a life of prison and a slow death by cancer... I would rather move on to the next phase via death then to have such a life. jmo

franshade's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:29 PM


Somethings are worse than death...

like?


like a life of prison and a slow death by cancer... I would rather move on to the next phase via death then to have such a life. jmo


Should she be freed? should she have that choice?

I too would rather move to the next phase, than live like that. But we are not convicted murderers with a life sentence imposed on us.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:31 PM



Somethings are worse than death...

like?


like a life of prison and a slow death by cancer... I would rather move on to the next phase via death then to have such a life. jmo


Should she be freed? should she have that choice?

I too would rather move to the next phase, than live like that. But we are not convicted murderers with a life sentence imposed on us.


very true. I'm with you on this. she is the one that committed the crime. that was the sentence she got without stipulations

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:31 PM


Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)

Somethings are worse than death...

Aye so let us show mercy.

Commute her sentence back to death and let her go.

Save her some pain. Save her victims some pain.


MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:32 PM
drinker Free all non-violent offenders from prison.drinker Stop locking people up for growing dope and stupid stuff like thatdrinker

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 08/11/09 12:36 PM



Boo, how much mercy should she be shown?

She was granted mercy when they reduced her sentence from the death penalty for life in prison. Should she be entitled to more mercy? to what end?

(just asking)

Somethings are worse than death...

Aye so let us show mercy.

Commute her sentence back to death and let her go.

Save her some pain. Save her victims some pain.




Showing mercy is a thing we we all could have more of.
She was unable to show mercy as a drugged out teenager..we are not like her.

auburngirl's photo
Tue 08/11/09 01:18 PM


I believe the statement "those who show mercy shall obtain mercy" apply to all of us, yes.


ok type really slow, how does one show mercy? by allowing or accepting unacceptable behaviors from others? is that mercy? is mercy releasing a convicted murderer because she's dying, we are all dying every day we are closer to death. Sorry to sound so morbid, but someone please explain it to me.

Those that have shown mercy shall obtain mercy from whom?


Okay....one more time laugh

If we show mercy to others, we will be shown mercy. She did not show mercy when asked (by Sharon Tate), therefore IMO she gets none.