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Topic: We All Must Fight Against Socialized Medicine
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Sun 08/02/09 07:42 PM
HMO's can and do deny anything they want to. You can object the denial and go thru lots of paperwork and stress. You may or may not get the treatment you most likely deserve.

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Sun 08/02/09 10:35 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Sun 08/02/09 10:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsbusters.org%2Fblogs%2Fnoel-sheppard%2F2009%2F08%2F02%2Fobama-2007-said-he-wanted-eliminate-private-health-insurance&feature=player_embedded

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Here's a more complete transcript of Obama's relevant statement at SEIU's New Leadership Health Care Forum on March 24, 2007 --

As I indicated before, I think that we're going to have to have some system where people can buy into a larger pool. Right now their pool typically is the employer, but there are other ways of doing it. I would like to -- I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out where we've got a much more portable system. Employers still have the option of providing coverage, but many people may find that they get better coverage, or at least coverage that gives them more for health care dollars than they spend outside of their employer. And I think we've got to facilitate that and let individuals make that choice to transition out of employer coverage.

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Sun 08/02/09 10:38 PM

HMO's can and do deny anything they want to. You can object the denial and go thru lots of paperwork and stress. You may or may not get the treatment you most likely deserve.


Yep and congress is workin on the biggest HMO in our history.

If a civilian company tried that it would be slammed with monopoly charges...

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Sun 08/02/09 10:53 PM
Edited by Unknow on Sun 08/02/09 11:03 PM

I like these quotes;
Government run healthcare is government rationed healthcare.
When BHO was asked about this by the media, he openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities.

We All Must Fight Against Socialized Medicine, Especially on a Local Level


By Yomin Postelnik Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Socialized medicine has become the talk of the day. This is not only unfortunate. It is harmful and we have a responsibility to speak out.


Socialized medicine has led to a drastic reduction in services and in quality of care in every nation it’s been tried. The elderly and the infirm are always the hardest hit.

When Barack Obama was asked about this by the media, he openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities. How shameful it is that the media did not see fit to call him out on this. Can you imagine their reaction had a Republican president said the same thing?

Failure to care for the elderly and the infirm is a failure in society as a whole. It’s un-American and it lacks compassion. It is our responsibility to speak out against this, vocally and constantly. It is also our responsibility to gather civic groups and candidates throughout the nation to rally the public against this monstrosity.

Obama’s loyalists have organized themselves into groups that act locally. Obama’s team coordinates directly with them as they take their message to every county in the nation. While this is unfitting for a president and threatens the foundation of democracy, we must learn from them and speak out on a local level. Truth can easily destroy fiction if only it raises its voice in protest.

With that in mind, consider the following. Here are just some of the horrors that are socialized medicine:

The typical wait for hip surgery in Canada is 14 months.

In Canada’s Province of Quebec, patients in need of a 30 minute procedure to cure urinary tract infections are on a three year waiting list!

Children with significant hearing problems are denied access to cochlear implants.

Arthritis treatment in the United Kingdom has a waiting period of up to nine months. Also in the UK, a 22 year old man just passed away because the government refused to allow him to receive a liver transplant.

Is this the so-called compassion inherent in socialized medicine?! In a word, yes.

Patients across the spectrum are denied access to thousands of necessary medications, which are deemed “too costly” or “unnecessary” by non-doctor bureaucrats.

We cannot and will not allow this type of devastation in America. Our seniors deserve better. The infirm deserve better and society as a whole deserves better.

Most of all, protecting health care options for seniors is a sacred trust. These options are only available under a competitive system that at least attempts to force doctors and hospitals to be at their best.

Can health care by fought on a local level? You bet it can! But we all need to get involved in the fight.

All issues can be fought in the battle of ideas. And that battle starts locally.

I’m at least pleased to say that my State, Florida, is leading the fight. Palm Beach County GOP Chairman Sid Dinerstein has labeled the bill the “Send The Seniors Home To Die Bill.”

This is partly because Florida’s economy relies heavily on our seniors and on continued migration to the State. For these conditions to continue, access to the quality health care that stems from a competitive system is a must. But it’s also because Floridians recognize the inherent inhumanity of any system that harms the elderly and the frail first and foremost. And we refuse to tolerate it.

Solutions:

I understand that we must make health care affordable. But we don’t have to throw the proverbial fish out with the tub or resort to governmental micromanagement of our healthcare system to get it right.
A large part of the massive cost of health care, and the main reason that our system is failing, is because government health programs like Medicare are caving over due to the size of their bureaucracy. We can streamline costs and augment care by simply doing away with much of the red tape. That’s not a solution, but it’s an important ingredient in any viable plan to fix the system.

Republicans and Democrats agree that the current health care system has become too complex, too bureaucratic and woefully inefficient. Like the tax code, no matter what side of the political aisle you are on, all agree on the need for simplification and for less bureaucracy.

Cutting unneeded red tape and focusing on necessary and effective oversight should be a prime goal of fixing the health care system. If government would simply concentrate on being effective rather than being large, it would be amazing what we could accomplish in all areas of society.

Governors throughout the nation are shocked by the trillion dollar costs of the proposed federal bill, much of which is being passed on to the states. Governors like Bill Richardson, who is certainly no political foe of Barack Obama, have expressed shock at the amount that the latest healthcare bill would cost, especially its cost to the states.

As we look for solutions, let this much be clear: Government run healthcare is government rationed healthcare.... and it helps no one!

Socialized medicine is as failed a doctrine as is socialism itself. It needs to be fought and I am committed to leading the fight on our local level, right here in our district.

Most of all, we will look to keep competitive options available to seniors and families regardless of what the federal government does. Good health care, complete with competitive market based options that force providers to offer the best care available, is worth protecting. The future of America’s health and economy depend on it.

On all issues, we will provide real common sense conservative solutions that bring true improvements to society, not another socialized bureaucratic mess or a fiscal nightmare that all taxpayers are forced to bear the brunt of.



I have family living in the UK and denies everything you have stated about their health care. They call it cradle to grave coverage and the elderly are taken better care of than "WE TAKE CARE OF OF OUR OWN ELDERLY!!! I tend to believe them and not anything the MSN spreads around. SHOW PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sun 08/02/09 11:05 PM


It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!



Thank you. And who said it isn't socialized medicine?? That numnuts just said last week that the fed gov't will be "grading" doctors on the quality of care they're giving their patients should this communist bill pass. Those stupid libs admit that they haven't read the 1,000 page bill that they themselves want passed. All I can say is, take good care of yourself, if this idiotic liberal bill passes, you're gonna be in for a loooooooong wait for medically necessary treatment.

And the "poor"? Please. They have medicaid.

Puh lease. The poor have Medicaid. Do you know what that means?

Missouri's previous governor - Republican Governor Blunt did this to our Medicaid:

A family of 3 could get Medicaid if they made under $4,800/yr.

Do you consider making $4,800/yr. and being a mom with 2 kids poor enough? Well, they couldn't get state health insurance.

A single disabled person and a single senior citizen couldn't make over $6,800/yr. and keep their Medicaid.

Disabled people were having problems with that. They couldn't get their ventilators or their battery for their wheelchair or adaptive equipment to help them get out of bed.




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Sun 08/02/09 11:10 PM


HMO's can and do deny anything they want to. You can object the denial and go thru lots of paperwork and stress. You may or may not get the treatment you most likely deserve.


Yep and congress is workin on the biggest HMO in our history.

If a civilian company tried that it would be slammed with monopoly charges...


So maybe leave it up to the states not the federal gov. In AZ the people WITHOUT insurance receive far better care than the people with insurance.

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Sun 08/02/09 11:14 PM
eliminate the middleman. the insurance industry!

drinker

:laugh;

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Sun 08/02/09 11:30 PM



It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!



Thank you. And who said it isn't socialized medicine?? That numnuts just said last week that the fed gov't will be "grading" doctors on the quality of care they're giving their patients should this communist bill pass. Those stupid libs admit that they haven't read the 1,000 page bill that they themselves want passed. All I can say is, take good care of yourself, if this idiotic liberal bill passes, you're gonna be in for a loooooooong wait for medically necessary treatment.

And the "poor"? Please. They have medicaid.

Puh lease. The poor have Medicaid. Do you know what that means?

Missouri's previous governor - Republican Governor Blunt did this to our Medicaid:

A family of 3 could get Medicaid if they made under $4,800/yr.

Do you consider making $4,800/yr. and being a mom with 2 kids poor enough? Well, they couldn't get state health insurance.

A single disabled person and a single senior citizen couldn't make over $6,800/yr. and keep their Medicaid.

Disabled people were having problems with that. They couldn't get their ventilators or their battery for their wheelchair or adaptive equipment to help them get out of bed.







explode Scumbag Gov.Blunt hurt elderly and disabled people for political gainmad It's been on the news a lot about a republican state poltician (in another state)that wanted to cut meals for kids, and said that "hunger could be motivational" for kids.shocked They told about her on Countdown,Daily Show,and Colbert Report.smile2 People like her and Gov.Blunt are dangerous.grumble

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Sun 08/02/09 11:34 PM




It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!



Thank you. And who said it isn't socialized medicine?? That numnuts just said last week that the fed gov't will be "grading" doctors on the quality of care they're giving their patients should this communist bill pass. Those stupid libs admit that they haven't read the 1,000 page bill that they themselves want passed. All I can say is, take good care of yourself, if this idiotic liberal bill passes, you're gonna be in for a loooooooong wait for medically necessary treatment.

And the "poor"? Please. They have medicaid.

Puh lease. The poor have Medicaid. Do you know what that means?

Missouri's previous governor - Republican Governor Blunt did this to our Medicaid:

A family of 3 could get Medicaid if they made under $4,800/yr.

Do you consider making $4,800/yr. and being a mom with 2 kids poor enough? Well, they couldn't get state health insurance.

A single disabled person and a single senior citizen couldn't make over $6,800/yr. and keep their Medicaid.

Disabled people were having problems with that. They couldn't get their ventilators or their battery for their wheelchair or adaptive equipment to help them get out of bed.



explode Scumbag Gov.Blunt hurt elderly and disabled people for political gainmad It's been on the news a lot about a republican state poltician (in another state)that wanted to cut meals for kids, and said that "hunger could be motivational" for kids.shocked They told about her on Countdown,Daily Show,and Colbert Report.smile2 People like her and Gov.Blunt are dangerous.grumble


Hunger is motivational for kids?!shocked rant mad

Yes, they are dangerous. :angry:

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Mon 08/03/09 09:18 AM



HMO's can and do deny anything they want to. You can object the denial and go thru lots of paperwork and stress. You may or may not get the treatment you most likely deserve.


Yep and congress is workin on the biggest HMO in our history.

If a civilian company tried that it would be slammed with monopoly charges...


So maybe leave it up to the states not the federal gov. In AZ the people WITHOUT insurance receive far better care than the people with insurance.

I agree... Fed should only provide guidlines so the states are all close to the same quality of care. (in our best interests!)

Then let the states shoulder the care of their people... Rights don't come without responsibilities.

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