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Topic: We All Must Fight Against Socialized Medicine
willing2's photo
Thu 07/23/09 04:47 PM
I like these quotes;
Government run healthcare is government rationed healthcare.
When BHO was asked about this by the media, he openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities.

We All Must Fight Against Socialized Medicine, Especially on a Local Level


By Yomin Postelnik Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Socialized medicine has become the talk of the day. This is not only unfortunate. It is harmful and we have a responsibility to speak out.


Socialized medicine has led to a drastic reduction in services and in quality of care in every nation it’s been tried. The elderly and the infirm are always the hardest hit.

When Barack Obama was asked about this by the media, he openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities. How shameful it is that the media did not see fit to call him out on this. Can you imagine their reaction had a Republican president said the same thing?

Failure to care for the elderly and the infirm is a failure in society as a whole. It’s un-American and it lacks compassion. It is our responsibility to speak out against this, vocally and constantly. It is also our responsibility to gather civic groups and candidates throughout the nation to rally the public against this monstrosity.

Obama’s loyalists have organized themselves into groups that act locally. Obama’s team coordinates directly with them as they take their message to every county in the nation. While this is unfitting for a president and threatens the foundation of democracy, we must learn from them and speak out on a local level. Truth can easily destroy fiction if only it raises its voice in protest.

With that in mind, consider the following. Here are just some of the horrors that are socialized medicine:

The typical wait for hip surgery in Canada is 14 months.

In Canada’s Province of Quebec, patients in need of a 30 minute procedure to cure urinary tract infections are on a three year waiting list!

Children with significant hearing problems are denied access to cochlear implants.

Arthritis treatment in the United Kingdom has a waiting period of up to nine months. Also in the UK, a 22 year old man just passed away because the government refused to allow him to receive a liver transplant.

Is this the so-called compassion inherent in socialized medicine?! In a word, yes.

Patients across the spectrum are denied access to thousands of necessary medications, which are deemed “too costly” or “unnecessary” by non-doctor bureaucrats.

We cannot and will not allow this type of devastation in America. Our seniors deserve better. The infirm deserve better and society as a whole deserves better.

Most of all, protecting health care options for seniors is a sacred trust. These options are only available under a competitive system that at least attempts to force doctors and hospitals to be at their best.

Can health care by fought on a local level? You bet it can! But we all need to get involved in the fight.

All issues can be fought in the battle of ideas. And that battle starts locally.

I’m at least pleased to say that my State, Florida, is leading the fight. Palm Beach County GOP Chairman Sid Dinerstein has labeled the bill the “Send The Seniors Home To Die Bill.”

This is partly because Florida’s economy relies heavily on our seniors and on continued migration to the State. For these conditions to continue, access to the quality health care that stems from a competitive system is a must. But it’s also because Floridians recognize the inherent inhumanity of any system that harms the elderly and the frail first and foremost. And we refuse to tolerate it.

Solutions:

I understand that we must make health care affordable. But we don’t have to throw the proverbial fish out with the tub or resort to governmental micromanagement of our healthcare system to get it right.
A large part of the massive cost of health care, and the main reason that our system is failing, is because government health programs like Medicare are caving over due to the size of their bureaucracy. We can streamline costs and augment care by simply doing away with much of the red tape. That’s not a solution, but it’s an important ingredient in any viable plan to fix the system.

Republicans and Democrats agree that the current health care system has become too complex, too bureaucratic and woefully inefficient. Like the tax code, no matter what side of the political aisle you are on, all agree on the need for simplification and for less bureaucracy.

Cutting unneeded red tape and focusing on necessary and effective oversight should be a prime goal of fixing the health care system. If government would simply concentrate on being effective rather than being large, it would be amazing what we could accomplish in all areas of society.

Governors throughout the nation are shocked by the trillion dollar costs of the proposed federal bill, much of which is being passed on to the states. Governors like Bill Richardson, who is certainly no political foe of Barack Obama, have expressed shock at the amount that the latest healthcare bill would cost, especially its cost to the states.

As we look for solutions, let this much be clear: Government run healthcare is government rationed healthcare.... and it helps no one!

Socialized medicine is as failed a doctrine as is socialism itself. It needs to be fought and I am committed to leading the fight on our local level, right here in our district.

Most of all, we will look to keep competitive options available to seniors and families regardless of what the federal government does. Good health care, complete with competitive market based options that force providers to offer the best care available, is worth protecting. The future of America’s health and economy depend on it.

On all issues, we will provide real common sense conservative solutions that bring true improvements to society, not another socialized bureaucratic mess or a fiscal nightmare that all taxpayers are forced to bear the brunt of.



Winx's photo
Thu 07/23/09 04:51 PM
Obama is not talking about socialized medicine.

willing2's photo
Thu 07/23/09 04:55 PM
If you say so.
BHO openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities.

Fear for your elderly parents,Grandparents and anyone you love who may have a long-term infirmity.

grneyedldy1967's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:01 PM
It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:02 PM
correct me if I am wrong.

This health care hype. (please - comericials on television like a campaign - every time they do that it means pass the ky).

It is not socialized medicine - judgeing from what I have seen socialized medical would be government built hospitals, government trained doctors, government in complete control of all aspects. This is close but not quite.

It is NATIONALIZED medicine. Which means that some 200 million people will be paying for the medical care of roughly 1 billion people.

Can't be done.

Not enough money.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:03 PM
flowerforyou We have people from socialist countries (like canada) right here on Mingle and they seem like fine people to meflowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:04 PM

If you say so.
BHO openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities.

Fear for your elderly parents,Grandparents and anyone you love who may have a long-term infirmity.
:smile: Money is the priority with the system we got right now:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:08 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 07/23/09 05:17 PM

correct me if I am wrong.

This health care hype. (please - comericials on television like a campaign - every time they do that it means pass the ky).

It is not socialized medicine - judgeing from what I have seen socialized medical would be government built hospitals, government trained doctors, government in complete control of all aspects. This is close but not quite.

It is NATIONALIZED medicine. Which means that some 200 million people will be paying for the medical care of roughly 1 billion people.

Can't be done.

Not enough money.
drinker Thats a logical point.bigsmile We can find money to give the fat cats on wallstreet, or money to give the war criminals in the pentagon and c.i.a. to make weapons of mass destruction and kill and torture people ,but we cant take care of our sick people.:smile:

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Thu 07/23/09 05:11 PM
money and outrageous profit... greed. Every human deserves to be taken care of when they are sick. It is a moral obligation we all have to eachother...
Holy wheres the love :heart:

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:17 PM


correct me if I am wrong.

This health care hype. (please - comericials on television like a campaign - every time they do that it means pass the ky).

It is not socialized medicine - judgeing from what I have seen socialized medical would be government built hospitals, government trained doctors, government in complete control of all aspects. This is close but not quite.

It is NATIONALIZED medicine. Which means that some 200 million people will be paying for the medical care of roughly 1 billion people.

Can't be done.

Not enough money.
drinker Thats a logical point.bigsmile We can find money to give the fat cats on wallstreet, or money to give the war criminals in the pentagon and c.i.a. to make weapons of mass desrtuction and kill and torture people ,but we cant take care of our sick people.:smile:

We didn't FIND the money to give the fat cats... We PRINTED it.

It ain't worth anything cept the sweat off our grandchildrens backs.


MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:19 PM



correct me if I am wrong.

This health care hype. (please - comericials on television like a campaign - every time they do that it means pass the ky).

It is not socialized medicine - judgeing from what I have seen socialized medical would be government built hospitals, government trained doctors, government in complete control of all aspects. This is close but not quite.

It is NATIONALIZED medicine. Which means that some 200 million people will be paying for the medical care of roughly 1 billion people.

Can't be done.

Not enough money.
drinker Thats a logical point.bigsmile We can find money to give the fat cats on wallstreet, or money to give the war criminals in the pentagon and c.i.a. to make weapons of mass desrtuction and kill and torture people ,but we cant take care of our sick people.:smile:

We didn't FIND the money to give the fat cats... We PRINTED it.

It ain't worth anything cept the sweat off our grandchildrens backs.


drinker Good point.drinkerIts kind of funny how its okay to give the rich fat cats money we dont have, but when you try to give something to the poor people and suddenly its a problem:smile:

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Thu 07/23/09 05:20 PM


Fear for your elderly parents,Grandparents and anyone you love who may have a long-term infirmity.


There are many people trying to spread FEAR.
There is nothing to be afraid of.
The Obama plan is not socialized medicine.

Aloha flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:22 PM
:smile: Insurance companies are dropping people for being too old and dropping people with cancer and other life threatening illnesses all the time.:smile:

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Thu 07/23/09 05:26 PM

:smile: Insurance companies are dropping people for being too old and dropping people with cancer and other life threatening illnesses all the time.:smile:


Absolutely correct! And they totally control the procedures and care you receive. Many procedures are not covered or require pre-approvals. flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:33 PM

If you say so.
BHO openly admitted that the elderly and the infirm would not be priorities.

Fear for your elderly parents,Grandparents and anyone you love who may have a long-term infirmity.


They're on Medicare.

Winx's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:35 PM

It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!


He is not suggesting to take away the choices of people that already have insurance. There will still be insurance companies. The situation he is talking about will be helping the people that have fallen through the cracks - the uninsured people.

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Thu 07/23/09 05:49 PM



Fear for your elderly parents,Grandparents and anyone you love who may have a long-term infirmity.


There are many people trying to spread FEAR.
There is nothing to be afraid of.
The Obama plan is not socialized medicine.

Aloha flowerforyou


wish that alone would convince people here that this is no socialized medicine, but some want to distort the message anyway they can, even if it means to distort what Obama is saying about the elderly. Seems to me people don't actually listen to what he says.

Personally I would prefer what Canada has but again you can't convince people that are terrified of anything with the word social in it.

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Thu 07/23/09 05:50 PM

It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!


:laughing: slaphead

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 07/23/09 05:53 PM


It IS socialized medicine! Just as everything else he is trying to do is leaning toward a socialist society. I wish the people he has blinded with his sweet words and promises would look beyond his veils of lies and see him for the lying schmuck that he truly is!


He is not suggesting to take away the choices of people that already have insurance. There will still be insurance companies. The situation he is talking about will be helping the people that have fallen through the cracks - the uninsured people.

I have a slightly different take on this.

You see we do have an industry that has not yet received much in the way of a 'bailout' like the others.

INSURANCE.

Medical insurance to be exact.

This plan might help those that have no insurance or it might not.

But you can sure bet that a lot of the fighting goin on in congress right no is medical management companies kickin up a lobby.

so they can get the largest chunk of money flowing through this proposed system.

bigsmile my bad. Perhaps I shouldn't have said this might be considered a CT

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/23/09 06:02 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 07/23/09 06:02 PM

money and outrageous profit... greed. Every human deserves to be taken care of when they are sick. It is a moral obligation we all have to eachother...
Holy wheres the love :heart:


Unfortunately it went out the window long long ago, all in the name of greed and profit. It's simple, to see what is happening in our government and in our world, all one has to do is follow the money. Where the money goes, with it goes the power, and right now all the money and by extension power is in the hands of a select few that run this country and run this world.

They don't care about us at all, it's only about how they can benefit from us, regardless of the means in which they do it.

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