Topic: The Science for a Green World
AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 07/18/09 09:06 PM

Here is a interesting company that believes the future will be driving cars with algae!


The Holy Grail in the renewable energy sector has been to create a clean, green process which uses only light, water and air to create fuel. Valcent's VAT algae-to-biofuel technology (50% owned with equal partner Global Green Solutions Inc.) mass produces algae, vegetable oil which is suitable for refining into a cost-effective, non-polluting biodiesel. The algae derived fuel will be an energy efficient replacement for fossil fuels and can be used in any diesel powered vehicle or machinery. In addition, 90% by weight of the algae is captured carbon dioxide, which is "sequestered" by this process and so contributes significantly to the reduction of greenhouse gases. Valcent has commissioned the world's first commercial-scale bioreactor pilot project at its test facility in El Paso, Texas.
Algae, like all plants, require carbon dioxide, water with nutrients and sunlight for growth. The VAT bioreactor technology is ideal for location adjacent to heavy producers of carbon dioxide such as coal fired power plants, refineries or manufacturing facilities, as the absorption of CO2 by the algae significantly reduces greenhouse gases. These reductions represent value in the form of Certified Emission Reduction credits, so-called carbon credits, in jurisdictions that are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol. Although the carbon credit market is still small, it is growing fast, valued in 2005 at $6.6 Billion in the European Union and projected to increase to $77 Billion if the United States accepts a similar national cap-and-trade program.


What do you do with the waste product of this great and wonderful 'project'... i.e. the 'sequestered' CO2?

OH my... The waste control project of the 22nd century!

Short sight scientists we have in this world... Or shortsighted business persons.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 07/18/09 09:08 PM


Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has come past that point to plant,that sould have started 20 years ago.

Plant life takes longer to growtears

Planat them anyway...

So our grandchildren won't end up with 'should have started 40 years ago'.

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Sat 07/18/09 09:08 PM
I've personally addressed over 5 million pounds of toxic hazardous toxic materials in 18 years at my job. I've secured them, treated them, stabilized them, and disposed of them safely following unfathomable government regulation, and government oversight. I did it so you wouldn't have to see it, smell it, breathe it, or taste it. I've kept it safely out of your air, water, food, and your environment. Because I care...........somedays.

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Sat 07/18/09 09:32 PM

longhairbiker - your're actions are commendable, somehow my attempts to be a good recycler and my push that has gotten many of my customers using cloth bags insteat of plastic make me feel a little below your standards.

From the research I've done, like you I believe that the powerful have succeeded in squashing various forms of energy conservation as you pointed out about cars.

On several occations I have heard President Obama comment that we will find efficient and renewable sources of clean energy AND MAKE IT PAY.

To me this says two things, First that he is well aware that this technology already exists and have been used by other countries. Secondly, that the reason we have not used it and, in fact, what we were WAITING for was the technology to be developed by currently powerful forces (elite and capitalist corporations)by which to effectively CHARGE CUSTOMERS. In other words something akin to charging for the use of radio waves.

Anyway - I need to insulate my home BIG TIME, but have no real disposable funds. Have you any suggestions for what material I can use that is free and(doing the work myself). Oh, I actually thought of mud, but I can't figure out how to get enough dirt, water it and plater it where I need it and have it stay there.

Don't laught - I am trying. I even thought about buying old blankets and such at garage sales and using that, but I would need too much and so couldn't afford that either.

Anyone else having issues with getting to the green?

.....insulating on a budget is quite tough. Paper and cardboard can be used as insulation. Door and window seals and barrier material is inexpensive. Can expansion foam is inexpensive and can be squirted almost anywhere. Buying up large rugs and multistacking them on floors insulates them well. Keeping your fireplace flue plugged tight when not in use helps. Those power conditioners for your home are around 100 dollars apiece. You can look up radiance paint on the net. I've seen it for as low as 40 dollars a gallon. It has microscopic insulation in the paint and after it cures has an R19 insulation rating. You can use it on any room in your home except your bathroom because the paint will trap in humidity. Making sure eaves vents are clean and operating properly will save money. Making sure ventilation is clean and working properly saves and conserves. Conduit insulation covers are inexpensive. Mud, and plaster are fair insulating materials. So is used styrofoam.

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Sun 07/19/09 11:38 AM

There are some people trying new ways.

Have you heard of the city of Abu Dhabi. It has embarked upon an ambitious plan to build a zero-emission clean-tech centre in the desert. The question is will it work?

http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12673433


Great story! I seen something similar on modern marvels or some such.

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Sun 07/19/09 01:34 PM

If all vehicles on the planet ran an assisted hydrogen oxygen fuel cell today- the world would be 41% cleaner overnight. After all that I've learned in the last year in having a fuel cell vehicle I'm disgusted with auto companies, petroleum companies, and the government. Its the largest coverup in world history. Just pityful.


Why do people leave it up to the auto companies, petroleum companies and the government to build a business with assisted hydrogen oxygen fuel cell vehicles? Or any of these vehicles that don't need fuel?

Where are the heros who just do it themselves? Why don't you write a book instructing people how to do it?

If it is such a good idea why hasn't someone started their own company? Why don't you?

I hear about these things and the conspiracy theories that go with them and I think, well don't just complain, start your own company. Henry Ford did.


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Sun 07/19/09 02:06 PM

If it is such a good idea why hasn't someone started their own company? Why don't you?


Maybe lack of capital?

I would actually like to create a public information service that I feel would be a very good for everyone as well as the environment.

However there are several things holding me back.

1. There's no way I can do it by myself. I just don't have the energy or resources do it on my own.

2. I don't have access to the captital that would be required to get it underway.

3. I'm not even out to make money anyway. I don't even want to run it as a 'business'. I would do it entirely as a public service (if I could afford to do that). Obviously though, I'd have to get something out of it, a person has to eat! So I'd basically be forced to make a business out of it with all that would entail.

4. A lot of the information that I have to offer would be shunned by mainstream society anyway. Although, if I had the resources and energy to do it I wouldn't let that stop me.

In the meantime I suppose I could just write books on it. For some reason I just feel like that's a big waste of time because all that seems to do is just put more opinions out there in the cesspool of opinions that are already so dilute that no single idea is taking hold anyway.

In short, I give up. As far as I'm concerned humans are just a hopeless cause. laugh

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Sun 07/19/09 04:03 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Sun 07/19/09 04:05 PM

.....insulating on a budget is quite tough. Paper and cardboard can be used as insulation. Door and window seals and barrier material is inexpensive. Can expansion foam is inexpensive and can be squirted almost anywhere. Buying up large rugs and multistacking them on floors insulates them well. Keeping your fireplace flue plugged tight when not in use helps. Those power conditioners for your home are around 100 dollars apiece. You can look up radiance paint on the net. I've seen it for as low as 40 dollars a gallon. It has microscopic insulation in the paint and after it cures has an R19 insulation rating. You can use it on any room in your home except your bathroom because the paint will trap in humidity. Making sure eaves vents are clean and operating properly will save money. Making sure ventilation is clean and working properly saves and conserves. Conduit insulation covers are inexpensive. Mud, and plaster are fair insulating materials. So is used styrofoam.


THANK-YOU, boy do I feel silly, cardboard - I have pleny of access to cardboard, I can't believe I didn't think of that. blushing In fact I use cardboard under my fireplace flue, I refuse to burn more trees so I don't use the fireplace. Rugs are a good idea too. I experimented with having my clothes dryer air cycle into the house, but even with a screen the dust was terrible. Someone told me there is a water filter system for dryers that will take out the dust but it sounded expensive to me. The paint is a great idea but not in my budget. My dad and all my family were roofers so I know the importance of keeping the vents clean and efficient.

Appreciate the tips - thanks again.

Oh - by the way about water conservation -- At one home I lived at I had this huge barrell. The lady who sold me the house said she collected rain water in it to water the gardens, grapes and fruit trees. It worked great when we had a lot of rain.

Another example - my aunt used old wringer washing machines until the 1980's when she could longer find parts. The reason she used it is because if you sorted right you could reuse the same wash water for several loads. If you used minimal detergent and some baking soda the clothes came out great and smelled fresh. We all made fun of her when she decided to get the most of the rinse water by leaving it in buckets in the bathroom and using it to flush the toilet.

I'm really not laughing anymore, I'm wondering why we can't make these simple things easy and conserve on a much larger scale?????


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Sun 07/19/09 05:18 PM


If it is such a good idea why hasn't someone started their own company? Why don't you?


Maybe lack of capital?

I would actually like to create a public information service that I feel would be a very good for everyone as well as the environment.

However there are several things holding me back.

1. There's no way I can do it by myself. I just don't have the energy or resources do it on my own.

2. I don't have access to the captital that would be required to get it underway.

3. I'm not even out to make money anyway. I don't even want to run it as a 'business'. I would do it entirely as a public service (if I could afford to do that). Obviously though, I'd have to get something out of it, a person has to eat! So I'd basically be forced to make a business out of it with all that would entail.

4. A lot of the information that I have to offer would be shunned by mainstream society anyway. Although, if I had the resources and energy to do it I wouldn't let that stop me.

In the meantime I suppose I could just write books on it. For some reason I just feel like that's a big waste of time because all that seems to do is just put more opinions out there in the cesspool of opinions that are already so dilute that no single idea is taking hold anyway.

In short, I give up. As far as I'm concerned humans are just a hopeless cause. laugh



People who complain about what the government is or isn't doing or what the auto companies are not doing etc. should just forget about that.

One person alone is not going to change the world by complaining. You can only do what you can do. It starts with YOU FIRST.

I think if there are alternate fuels for automobiles that some rich person somewhere would eventually get hold of that idea and do something with it... but perhaps there are other problems involved.

If you aren't rich, then just do something yourself, and maybe show other people how to do it. Forget the damn government.

Now... what am I doing.

I am collecting empty aluminum cans to build passive solar heaters for my art studio. The cans collect the heat from the sun and the air travels through them into the room.

I am putting more insulation in my ceiling to save on heating costs. I don't know if that is considered "green" but it does save money on electric bills.

I ride my bike rather than take my car unless I am going out of town or needing to haul things.

I recycle newspapers and magazines.

I re-use cloth grocery bags instead of choosing paper or plastic.

Thats about it.

Oh yeh... I try not to fart in public. bigsmile

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Sun 07/19/09 07:09 PM
I ride my bike rather than take my car unless I am going out of town or needing to haul things.


Bingo!




As far as conspiracy theories...most of them are exactly that. But the merit of a hydrogen based transportation industry is not a conspiracy, its good science.

As far as starting a car company the way Ford did, there is a huge obstacle in the form of safety regulations - you can't just build a good working car and sell it to people to drive on the highway - you have to pass all kinds of safety tests, the cost of which is prohibitive to a startup (unless they have awesome funding).

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 07/19/09 09:18 PM

Oh yeh... I try not to fart in public. bigsmile


Oh, so you're hoarding all the gas.

No wonder it's getting expensive.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 07/19/09 10:01 PM
Whatever happened to the MagnetoHydroDynamic (MHD) generator?

Needs no fossil fuels...

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Sun 07/19/09 10:31 PM


Oh yeh... I try not to fart in public. bigsmile


Oh, so you're hoarding all the gas.

No wonder it's getting expensive.


I use it to heat my home. Smells good too. laugh

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Mon 07/20/09 08:23 PM
I have been using beewax candles that I buy from the farmer's market lately at night.laugh drinker

soon I will be using old newspaper, or better yet palm tree leaves to wipe my *** tolaugh drinker

I could collect my human hair and create a blanket one daydrinker

Now if that isn't green then I don't know what!laugh drinker

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Mon 07/20/09 08:36 PM
Edited by krupa on Mon 07/20/09 08:37 PM

I have been using beewax candles that I buy from the farmer's market lately at night.laugh drinker

soon I will be using old newspaper, or better yet palm tree leaves to wipe my *** tolaugh drinker

I could collect my human hair and create a blanket one daydrinker

Now if that isn't green then I don't know what!laugh drinker


Save the paper...don't bother wiping your @ss....other animals don't.

I got a lil car cause it is just retarded to use a 5,000 lb suv to get one person from point A to point B at 70 mph.

Popular Science has GREAT ideas and insights on the latest technologies (as well as insights on the prohibitive legal stances of the petroleum industry) in reguards to Greening things up.

My personal delima is work related....trying to figure out a profitable way to recycle PET and older plastics...instead of having to pay additional costs simply to recycle them and lose not only the physical plastics but having to pay to lose them. I also gotta factor in the loss rates for unclean plastics....the ones that people put petroleum products in that bind on a molecular level and release far more additional pollutants when heated to a point of molecular breakdown. IF I can figure this one out...I could literally save and make a huge chunk for the company I serve.

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Mon 07/20/09 08:42 PM
Edited by smiless on Mon 07/20/09 08:56 PM


I have been using beewax candles that I buy from the farmer's market lately at night.laugh drinker

soon I will be using old newspaper, or better yet palm tree leaves to wipe my *** tolaugh drinker

I could collect my human hair and create a blanket one daydrinker

Now if that isn't green then I don't know what!laugh drinker


Save the paper...don't bother wiping your @ss....other animals don't.

I got a lil car cause it is just retarded to use a 5,000 lb suv to get one person from point A to point B at 70 mph.

Popular Science has GREAT ideas and insights on the latest technologies (as well as insights on the prohibitive legal stances of the petroleum industry) in reguards to Greening things up.

My personal delima is work related....trying to figure out a profitable way to recycle PET and older plastics...instead of having to pay additional costs simply to recycle them and lose not only the physical plastics but having to pay to lose them. I also gotta factor in the loss rates for unclean plastics....the ones that people put petroleum products in that bind on a molecular level and release far more additional pollutants when heated to a point of molecular breakdown. IF I can figure this one out...I could literally save and make a huge chunk for the company I serve.


Well this is just the thread to post your problem in Eric. Maybe someone can help you, if not I am sure you will figure out a way! Come on you are "krupa" you have a solution!

That would be great if you figure it out. You really could make alot of money and do the planet gooddrinker

Is there a way to do away with plastic actually and use something else that is less pollutant to create?

In the end you need something that you can see through and elastic that doesn't break. hmmm a tough one at best. grumble

Perhaps biodegradable bottles or bags composed of vegetable matter??

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Mon 07/20/09 08:50 PM
Go Nuclear and spend research funds on waste reprocessing!:banana:

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Mon 07/20/09 08:57 PM

Go Nuclear and spend research funds on waste reprocessing!:banana:


France and Germany is doing this. I think it is a good choice actuallydrinker

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Mon 07/20/09 08:59 PM
It would be interesting to know if it is possible to have just wind and water energy to provide for our electricity only? Would such inventions be possible for the complete world population and is it actually one of the best solutions in reducing pollution as a whole?

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Mon 07/20/09 09:00 PM


Go Nuclear and spend research funds on waste reprocessing!:banana:


France and Germany is doing this. I think it is a good choice actuallydrinker
And they have excess that they sell to other countries, definetly worth looking into!:thumbsup: