My aunt sent me this series of links after I told her I believed in evolution and I am not a Christian anymore... She said this would change my mind.. *Grin*

This is more for people that believe in evolution... I would like to hear all the defenses for such words as to evolution is stupid.. If time allows in your day, please watch some or all of the video's and respond.. I know some of you really enjoy talking about this subject and have a passion for it...Some of this is just blatantly obvious that it is ridiculous... Other points I'm trying to learn to battle properly... I am half agnostic half deist... I really can't make a sound judgment on my beliefs yet, as far as what created the big bang... All I know is that my beliefs have changed over the years because my search for answers to my questions...Once again I would rather hear from people that believe in evolution..
Thanks guys and gals , Eddie


100 Reasons why Evolution and carbon dating is stupid 1-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7xfhOt0LQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOyPQt9O4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uheRnuZTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI0jjhOf_P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkwOslGopg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydhqs4nrmkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VUIYRrIuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EVLAr_3NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opsc0-kUe-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8ctIRpUbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L-i9OJN4z4

It's all circular easoning to push a political agenda and ideology. It's a thin fiscade that many scapegoat their lack of morality on.

Utube videos do not equate scientific data of any sort. So I need not comment on them.

That guy is the one who is stupid. He doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

Well, if the accusation is coming from someone who is going to attempt to tell me the the Holy Bible is the word of God, I'll get a real belly laugh out of that one.

Anyone who is going to claim that the Israelites speak for God is already suggesting the most utterly stupid thing I can imagine.

They've got a book that contradicts on just about every page the very attributes that they claim God is supposed to possess. Not to mention the fact that Jesus didn't even agree with the God of Abraham yet they claim that Jesus was his son.

And they have the audacity to claim that evolution is stupid?

Please, give me a break.

Oh, I surly agree and thank you for your sharing your thoughts.... I was more interested in responses to his so called scientific facts that he liters about in his speech with proven scientific facts...

I'm on dial-up so I can't watch the videos you've listed. But I've seen plenty of them in the past, and I've yet to see one that held water.

If he claims to have 'scientific facts' of why evolution can't be true you can rest assured that he's lying.

Why can I say that with such confidence?

Because the scientific community is not out to disprove any religion. All they are seeking is TRUTH. Moreover, they cannot just claim things arbitrarily, they must present considerable evidence to support all of their claims. Independent scientists from all over the world must exam and agree with the results. Each one would be more than happy to find a FLAW in the work of another scientist. If they can show a FLAW it will only bring them FAME!

Scientists are the greatest skeptics in the world. They question each other's evidence and conclusions until they our blue in the face.

So these religious people offer their lame bogus 'evidence' to the scientific community. The scientists look at it and realized that they've already considered it. They explain why it doesn't hold water. The religious people argue that they are just being skeptical. The scientists agree, they are skeptical about everything until they see solid reasons to accept it.

The religious people don't understand that the so-called evidence they claim to have simply doesn't hold water, so the make video and try to convince laymen that it does hold water.

And so the circus continues.

Scietists aren't after anything but TRUTH. They have no other agenda.

Religious people clearly have a huge AGENDA, they want to convinced you that the Bible is the word of God! They already have their conclusion. They are just trying to find evidence to support their conclusion. But their evidence doesn't hold water.

If it held water, the scientists would grab it!

Yeh, what he said.

They all have agenda's don't kid yourself.

Very cool thread Eddie, but I would like to clarify to you that evolution of species and Big Bang are two different theories.

I watched one on the grand canyon. It was one of the flakiest things I've seen. There was no "science" to it all. The guy knows the Grand Canyon was formed quickly because he "flew over it"?

That is pretty much exactly how I feel and why I changed from my programmed Christianity some time ago to looking for answers that made sense..

I see why you have stated that and
I understand my friend... Thanks for your input brother...

...as I said before some of the things this guy said were blatantly ridiculous... It's obvious even to my common sense that the grand cannons erosion through the elements took millions of years... Much longer then any biblical reference suggest..



I enjoy watching the discovery ch. Science ch. History ch. national geographic and so on...

One of many questions I had is that...

Why besides the obvious can this guy claim that fossils can't be dated and show no evolutional process?

Does anyone know of a site that shows skeletal fossil remains that shows the different steps of our and other species evolutional progress?

Why can he state that carbon dating and other dating process have no reliable merit dating things as old as it would take to date things that are millions of years old...

...and all of this crap of evolution with and without oxygen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uheRnuZTM

Well, yeah. On an individual level clearly they can and do have individual agendas.

But that's the beauty of the discipline as a whole. The community as a whole isn't going to cater to the agenda of an individual. In the end the only thing that will hold up is that which cannot be denied regardless of individual agenda.

In fact, this is precisely why these kinds of religious videos aren't even science. In science it's not a matter of just making arguments from an individual perspective. Science requires and demands unbiased peer review of many scientists from all over the world.

Religious groups have even attempted to mimick this by seeking out as many religiously-biased scientists as they can find and then saying, "Look we have a large group of scientists who all agree too!"

But the reason that this is totally bogus is because they have selectively choosen to include only those so-called 'scientists' who agree with their cause, and simply rejected those who disagree. Their very process of selecting their group was biased toward their desired conclusion.

When we look at the world of scientists as a whole, those who reject evolution are an extreme minority, and they are all doing it with a microscope in one hand and a Bible in the other with a preconcieved bias for what they want the conclusion to be.

The fact is that the vast majority of unbiased scientists thoughtout the entire world are thoroughly convinced that evolution is a fact. The religious rebels are an extremely biased minority with an obviously collective agenda as a carefully selected biased group.

That's not science. That's more like politics.

In short, the scientific community as a whole has concluded that evolution is a fact. Fanatical groups of certain religious communities refuse to accept the truth of science and whine about it in ways that simply aren't the least bit scientific.

Well, not only that, but what is going to be his ultimate argument after all is said and done?

He's only arguing against religion so he can try to convince people that the Bible is the word of God.

So let's assume we buy his arguments that evolution never happened.

So now he has us in his church telling us about Noah and the Great Flood that God caused to murder all the sinners.

We're supposed to believe this? On FAITH?

Look at the problems associated with the flood that this man totally ACCEPTS after he's complained that evolution is STUPID!

There's just so much about this story that is utterly absurd it's hard to know where to begin.

First off, why did a supposedly all-wise God let things get THIS FAR out of hand to begin with?

If things weren't going well, why didn't the all-wise God deal with things earlier? Even most mortal men know better than to wait until the barn is fully ablaze before they deal with a tipped over lantern.

So fine, we have to believe on faith that an all-wise God would rather work this way.

So now we have a God who wants to kill everyone on the plant save for a few select people.

Next question,... "I thought God was all-powerful and that with God anything is possible, so why doesn't God just wave his magic wand and give all the sinners a heart attack? Or better yet, just make them all disappear, or turn into frogs? After all, he turned lot's wife into a pillar of salt, clearly he has magical powers like this. Not to mention that people even today believe that he can cure cancer etc., in individuals. So why flood the entire planet to get rid of these sinners? It's neither wise, nor is it an act I would expect of a supposedly all-powerful God."

His answer would probably be that we aren't supposed to question God's wisdom.

So fine, he floods out all the 'sinners' which clearly must include their newborn babies and very young toddlers. Little childern who can't possible have even sinned yet.

And that just brings up another question. If God is all-power and can do anything, why not just make those people all sterile? Then within a single generation they'd all be dead anyway and the problem would be solved very cleanly.

A God who hoses down a planet to murder sinners just can't be seen as an all-wise God as far as I'm concerned.

Fine, so let's quit questioning God's wisdom and move on to the flood itself.

God has some guy build a boat to save all the animals on the planet. Noah and his small family are supposed to maintain this floating zoo for 40 days. They have to feed and clean the stalls of all these animals. Not to meantion stocking up the food supplies, etc.

Of course the religious fanatic could argue that God made it so the animals won't eat or deficate during the boat ride. But that just begs the question again of why God didn't apply this kind of magic to making the sinners just disappear in the first place?

Now we have the actual flood?

What kind of water was used? Was it a fresh water rain or a salt water rain?

What happened to all the lakes and rivers when the water covered the earth? All that fresh water would have been mixed up with all the salt water. All the fresh water fish and saltwater fish would have gotten all mixed up.

What about after the waters receded? How would the fresh water fishes get back into their fresh water lakes? How could there even be any fresh water lakes after that?

Clearly there are insurmountable problems with this whole silly story.

And this guy thinks evolutions is STUPID???

Please, give me a break.

Anyone who can even believe in Noah's flood has no business even attempting to talk science.

Religion is purely FAITH BASED.

So how ridiculous is this man if he's going to claim that evolution never occurred, but Noahs flood did?

It's utterly silly.

...as I said before some of the things this guy said were blatantly ridiculous... It's obvious even to my common sense that the grand cannons erosion through the elements took millions of years... Much longer then any biblical reference suggest..



I enjoy watching the discovery ch. Science ch. History ch. national geographic and so on...

One of many questions I had is that...

Why besides the obvious can this guy claim that fossils can't be dated and show no evolutional process?

Does anyone know of a site that shows skeletal fossil remains that shows the different steps of our and other species evolutional progress?

Why can he state that carbon dating and other dating process have no reliable merit dating things as old as it would take to date things that are millions of years old...

...and all of this crap of evolution with and without oxygen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uheRnuZTM

Evolution deniers are not going to be convinced by your explanations of science.

They have to get past there own agenda long enough to start the process of proper education, and this is no easy task.

If you want to better familiarize yourself with the arguments they use and the proper science that easily refutes those arguments then look no further.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa
http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007
http://www.youtube.com/user/ExtantDodo
http://www.youtube.com/user/AndromedasWake
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvoBiologist
http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet
http://www.youtube.com/user/DonExodus2

These are the spearheads of a growing community of online scientifically minded individuals who want to fight against the anti science ideas of the creationist/Id-iots movement.


Aronra has a series called Foundational falsehoods of Creationism where he eviscerates nearly every argument I have ever heard uttered by an ID-iot, or there parallel the creationists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&feature=PlayList&p=126AFB53A6F002CC&index=0&playnext=1

CDK has his series where he explains the extremely strong evidence in favor of evolution and against creation/ID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0&feature=PlayList&p=F626DD5B2C1F0A87&index=0&playnext=1

Extant dodo rips Kent Hovind a new one. If you didn't know Hovind is a poster boy for creationist stupidity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCGz9dMd1Y8&feature=PlayList&p=11FAF6EED99B0C46&index=0&playnext=1

Andromedas Wake takes apart the arguments of creationist that involve the field of cosmology. He does so with style and wit without being a bully. http://www.youtube.com/user/AndromedasWake#play/user/B8772329EDAE7DC3

Probably the most in your face and properly accurate dissection of creationist attempts to blow smoke up you know where. Thunderf00t's series Called "Why people laugh at creationists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY&feature=PlayList&p=AC3481305829426D&index=0&playnext=1


Evobiologist is a soft spoken evolutionary Biologist, a true professional. He explains in great detail features of biology that can ONLY be explained by accepting evolutionary theory as true.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvoBiologist

Richard Dawkins I hope needs no introduction.

DonExodus is in the medical field and uses his knowledge of evolution to help heal the sick, to discovery why disease effects us the way it does and to anticipate the development of disorders to help his patients.

His series "how Evolution works" is in depth and extremely fascinating. Don is also a Christian and a great example of how the truth does not have to get in the way of faith.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1

His series on transitional fossils should shut up that age old idiotic statement that there is no transitional fossils but as stated creationists don't need to know anything to spout there "truth".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8&feature=PlayList&p=F9729F67CD4034C9&index=0&playnext=1

If after viewing these channels if you question any of the accuracy feel free to check out the main cites in this thread and ignore the redundant references to the above youtube channels.
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703

I do not reference authority lightly, but the ego needed to say the worlds top flight universities have it so wrong, and have been wrong and building on that wrongness for 150 years is in itself a damming concept.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

UC Berkley is one of the worlds top science universities and is not wrong in there level of involvement in the evolution community. This site does a great job of explaining the concept of evolution and the advancements man kind has made due to this advancement.

I think they focus on carbon dating techniques because they feel they can make the most convincing arguments using that approach.

However, he isn't about to tell you anything that would undermine his agenda.

For example, the age of the sun and the entire solar system has been determined via astrological techniques that have nothing at all to do with carbon dating.

Astrophysics also has extremely sound reasons for how the earth formed at the same time as the sun. So the age of the earth, the sun and the solar system have been confirmed by many other methods besides carbon dating.

There is also no known way for earth to have been created with an oxygen atmophere. Even if it had, that oxygen would have reacted chemically when the earth was still hot and molten and become bound up as oxides. The atomosphere that contains oxygen today had to be produced via some other mechanism. That mechanism is believed to have been the existence of anerobic bacteria and alge in the primordial oceans of the earth.

Besides, what is this guy giving as an alternative theory for all of this? That God just waved a magic wand and said "Let it be so?".

If that's the case then again, why the need for Noah's flood by this same God? Why not just wave his magic wand and say, "Let the sinners disappear"?

He's focusing entirely on attempting to undermine one theory, but he isn't even bothering to offer an alternative explanation. Other than to appeal to a wand-waving magic God in an ancient book of mythology that tells stories of this supposedly all-wise and all-powerful God doing truly unwise, and unpowerful things.

It seems to me that his alternative FAITH-BASED mythology has FAR MORE holes in it than there are in the explanation that things evolved through a natural process.

If he truly wanted to be honest with himself (and with his viewers) he would need to compare evolution with his book of mythology and ask which of the two makes more SENSE?

In the meantime he's just attempting to belittle one explanation of nature without genuinely offering a better one. Clearly the Bible does not give a better picture of how the world came to be the way it is. It's cearly a far worse picture that contains far greater problems and in many cases outright utter absurdities.

He's arguing against evolution as having potential problems in favor of beliving in a book that is utterly riddled with absurdities and total inconsistencies concerning the supposed attributes and characteristic of a jealous personified godhead who is appeased by blood sacrificies not unlike Zeus, the god of gods, that came before him?

I think it's only fair that you take into consideration this man's motivations and agenda. He's clearly not into science at all. He has a religious agenda to support an ancient myth. Period.

Right on Abra.

To back up that idea here is a series that shows the ramifications of if we take the creationist ideas seriously what it means for reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRvt0InhYk&feature=PlayList&p=5975FF2FEECF90D3&index=0&playnext=1

This series is called Why Young Earth Creationists Must DENY Gravity. This is what science does, we take a concept, a hypothesis and take it to its final destination and measure its effects against what observation and reality shows us . . . . absurd conclusions should not be taken seriously.